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@Shwing lol no… they are ALL Switch 1 in different versions/models
What, you’re telling me the Gameboy OG, Gameboy Lite, and Gameboy Pocket are not Gameboy 1s?

But let’s use another numbered example… aren’t the PlayStation and PsOne not … well PS1s?

Or aren’t the PS3 Phat, PS3 Slim and the PS3 Super Slim not… PS3s??

Or are the PS4 OG, PS4 Slim and the PS4 Pro not… PS4s???

And so on and on and on.

Sorry dude, it’s ok to say you messed up 😉

Imagine admitting to sitting 2 years on an unfinished game because you thought it was “finished” … and releasing an open world game without the most basic features like pins or map markers for progress tracking.

And with no reason at all to sell it at a higher cost than the average videogame. THAT baffles me just like it did with TotK.

Shame and greed Nintendo…. Shame and greed

@LikelySatan I'm one of those. It was a great game with great dungeon designs. But I think its what gave way to BotW and TotK becoming a thing. This "lets reuse a remixed map" and go wherever you want, that destroyed the structure of progression of accessing new areas with new items that you worked to obtain, the Metroidvania / Zeldavania formula that we all grew up to love. I hate being given everything from the start. There's no discovery or surprise.

Great game though and I loved it too .... it was just... the start of a downfall for me. Didn't like where it took the series after.

This Zelda was a great step to get Zelda back in the right direction again…. But still missed a few beats. Way better than BotW and TotK from a game structure design POV

Now... THIS is Zelda music and an amazing OST overall.

We just need Majora's Mask, which is even better.

Yes DK64…. Was a favorite back in the N64 days. I’m ready to replay it again without having to setup my N64

@Benri4761 I agree... and I bet the negative marketing and reception was waaaaaaay more expensive to them in damage control than what would have been another nice incentive to buy the console in the first place.
People won't be buying this demo either way after the honeymoon phase of the Switch 2 is over.

@Zyph naah... no disrespect ... but that reads as moving the goalpost.
Its a DEMOstration of the new capabilities and features of a new console. Nobody wants to pay for a demo.

He's finally back....

@graviton medieval fantasy with mechs? Im in!

The 0s are a form of discontent protest at the direction Nintendo took with the game, not the real score. I would give it a 0 too, even though its a 7 for me.... if it makes sense.

It's not a disastrous game by all means, but its not the direction I want for the franchise, not now, nor for the future.... so a 0 it is

Xenoblade Chronicles X for me.

I’ll never understand how Nintendo dropped the ball with Battle League when everything was already great

@Willo567 the game was finished 2 years ago according to sources, and Nintendo kept sitting on an undercooked game.... for 2 years! ... Imagine that.

@Pearl-NX hahaha I was going to say exactly the same thing.

For one I'm happy that people in wheelchairs can have a game like this

@Anti-Matter I don’t think I agree. By transforming Animal Crossing into an open world you’re destroying part of its essence…. Creating your own stylized island landscape.

And that’s exactly my problem with trying to make everything open world, in the process you destroy the other elements that made the games before great.

It happened with Zelda, it happened with Mario Kart, it would happen with Animal Crossing.

Bigger isn’t always better. By focusing on the macro, you lose sight of the micro.

I will die on this hill… STOP… TRANSFORMING… EVERYTHING… INTO … OPEN… WORLDS!!
It’s just a damn trend that raises the development time and costs so damn much!

I’d rather have variety and genres.
I agree that making bigger games out of what once was a small/mid game is killing the industry.

Focus on quality… not quantity. Or at least dial it a bit down… there’s really no point in making games so overly massive that they become repetitive.

And just using AI will make everything so damn dull

Are there zombie cows?

@The_Nintend_Pedant Im with you 98% of the time.
1) I agree on your posture about credits
2) I agree with you about anti-matter
3) Man, the complainers about this topic are annoying. It’s ironic because he’s been around this site FAR LONGER than they have.

People, anyone can give their opinion, let him be. With all respect I just assume he could be on the spectrum and I like his posts.

Be respectful and polite or your comments will be reported.

If you can’t handle other peoples opinions don’t come to the comment section. Easy as that.

Cant believe this much time has passed since it’s first announcement…. We are almost there

@N00BiSH we’ll see. You can save my comment until we get a new Mario game and hopefully not an open world one.
DK Bananza, I think, is hitting the sweet spot and balance like Odyssey.

If there’s a Mario open world you’ll see they will sacrifice creative level design for hundreds or thousands of mundane stars/moons just to fill their open world.

We just saw how they sacrificed good track design in MKW because of their open world gameplay.

We saw how they sacrificed the Zeldavania structure of progression with BotW and TotK.

Open worlds come with compromises.

But we’ll have to wait for that.

@N00BiSH yes (and no), but they were like that from the start. You’re not transforming a unique IP in the gaming landscape into another trendy open world.
Zelda was a unique thing and experience… now transformed in a by-the-numbers open world.
Mario Kart was its unique thing and experience… now with boring tracks tailored for its open world.
By doing that you just killed two Zelda games (I can give BotW a pass) and a Mario Kart game.
With the examples I mentioned they have been that way from Day One, so it’s not like they are robbing me of a certain experience that filled other gaming needs.
For example… transforming Zelda into a Minecraft thing? I don’t play Zelda to fill my Minecraft needs… I have Minecraft for that and I have Zelda for another thing.
Xenoblade and the other examples are my go tos for my open world needs… I don’t need Nintendo to take away my Zelda or Mario needs and experienced for YET another open world. We have many of those already.

We don’t need to transform every single IP into the same thing. That’s why I call open worlds genre killers. They just try to deconstruct experiences and videogame design to cater to the trend of the moment.

Hopefully I’m explaining myself.

@LazyDaisy here’s what gonna happen with a 3D Mario open world. You’ll see the creative level design sacrificed for a huge single area… you’ll start feeling every star is gonna be an obsessive boring big fetch quest except for the occasional ones (Odyssey started tapping into this with their 900 moons) …
The thing is that they don’t know how to fill their open worlds with fun activities that don’t feel repetitive or in the hundreds (TotK) or that they don’t feel empty (MKW) without sacrificing what made those games great before (MKW straight tracks wth)

What works for Mario is that every area has their own theme, dynamic, gameplay, characters, and that reflects itself into the level design.

@N00BiSH weird because I remember loving GTA, RDR, Xenoblade Chronicles (specially X), Ghost of Tsushima, love Sea of Thieves, Horizon, Arkham series… etc etc.

@N00BiSH
I don’t hate open worlds… I hate when they transform well stablished formulas and IPs into dull fetch quests with hundreds of by-the-numbers repetitive and mundane activities, and the rest of the game suffers because of it, just because open worlds are the trend. I’ve seen it with BotW, TotK and MKW.

Ohh and I also hate that Nintendo feels like they can charge more with their open world tax.

This game looks more deserving of praise and sales than MKW. Also, hopefully they learn from this and don’t try to make the next Mario open world but with different sets of handcrafted environment and levels.
Open worlds are creativity and design killers.

I was a non believer too. This Direct made wonders to the game.
While Mario Kart World exists just as a petty excuse for the money…. This one seems all about the fun.

This one looks so much more creative than MKW… I wasn’t really into it from the previous previews… but after that Direct … it’s a system seller for me.
And in some parts it gave me Banjo Kazooie and Odyssey vibes….I’d rather have handcrafted levels with good design than tedious open worlds.

Even the amiibo looks great.

For me it’s unbelievable that Nintendo sat 2 years on this game without doing anything to it … and it was released uncooked.

Wow….

And the open world dragged the course design through the mud in this one.

Glad this open world is being criticized. 5 is a good place for MKW. 1 & 2 are spot on.
Even 64 with all its imperfections is better than World for me. Multiplayer was chaotic back in the day.

Also you people do know this is based on user ratings right?

@Spider-Kev actually they did in MK8D … you’re confusing it with the WiiU version

For a game that Nintendo was sitting on for 2 years it feels like it’s missing 30% of it. It gives some Ubisoft vibes. For me it’s a 7/10 at best… 6/10 at worst.
The open world was not needed and damaged more than “evolved” the series.

@Keman let him post whatever he likes. You don’t like his opinions? Hit the ignore button.
Ganging up and bullying someone from the community goes against the rules and you’ll meet up with a greater force defending him than the occasional complainers like you.

What good Nintendolife has is a respectable community. We may not agree with opinions but we do not gang up on users.
This isn't IGN.

Another case of open worlds destroying genres and formulas as well as increasing prices.
They should’ve spent more time designing tracks that aren’t a straight line. The game suffers because of the “interconnected” aspect.
Stop trying to make EVERYTHING open world!

Come at me because I won’t be replying.

@maulinks is your country the only one on the planet?

Hopefully we can get another collection with 4-5 and the other missing ones

@Cyrax77 you don't have to convince others that they shouldn't care... see? It works both ways.

Also I don’t have to convince anyone… I'm voicing my opinion... you don't want it to live rent free in your head? Hit that ignore button. Its free, and such a beautiful, civilized and elegant solution.

@tsim21 I think you answered your own question. There are far so many more important things than videogames that are raising in prices that people DO worry about that instead of thinking which videogame they will be buying every 2 weeks. Which in turn, will be thinking how to spend their money on hard times.
And I think it's ridiculous to compare MKW at $80 with something like GTA 6 at $90 just by content alone. If they release it at $80 then Nintendo will be the laughing stock.

@Kirgo MKW costs $10 usd above the regular Switch 2 game... the reasoning behind it is because Nintendo said the content offered in it is really high because of the open world. (Which many people are saying its barren). MKW is the special case in which they are raising the price $20 or 30 usd (depending on your country) above the previous generation. ($60 USD)

Which... lets be honest $20 USD is A LOT if you go back 2 measely years. Its a 30% increase.

@Kirgo @DaniPooo we are talking about the Mario Kart increase specifically ... not the general increase.

The general increase is understandable, whereas the MK World isn't.

@Paraka I knew something was missing in your post. I guessed it was something like that.
Yeah with that I agree... I mean... teeeechnically the WiiU would be the first one because of the Wii Emulation.... but I know what you mean

@Ronnie1969 for me it would have stayed at the same price tag as all other games. Why it matters to me is because I’m starting to see a pattern with Nintendo and their open world games, where they think just because they are now open world, they should be charging more.
My anger towards this is that they feel enabled to do it. For example, when TotK released, they said they would increase the price, only for that game, because it had a lot of content (and we all know most of it was rehashed, but that’s not the point) …

Anyway, they said that was gonna be a special case. Fast forward not even 2 years later… and then we get ANOTHER price increase because, by their logic, it’s another open world with lots of content (even though many say the MK free roams feels empty) What gives?

I think since Nintendo is just leaning into open worlds, they think they can justify themselves with higher price tags just because.

In my end is not because of a measly $10… it’s because they start to feel enabled to do it.
It’s a principle thing… like, I don’t know, not eating turtle eggs if we are going back to the food examples again 😜

@Paraka wait wait wait… am I missing something?
Or did you just forgot about the backwards compatibility that most Nintendo consoles usually have? Why would you even say the Switch 1 is the first one to have backwards compatibility?
Are you forgetting the Gameboy Advance, DS, 3DS, Wii, WiiU??

@Ronnie1969 for me it’s not about the time. It’s about the quality. It’s like a lobster dish vs a McDonalds hamburger. Both take the same time to eat, but the quality of the flavor is what matters.
Nintendo is trying to make you think that, the bigger, longer the game, the more it should cost you. The “open world” tax.
But in reality they are just giving you emptier spaces and repetitive tasks to artificially lengthen the game and justify the time you’re spending there, therefore justifying the price increase.

That’s why Indies started being the saving grace of gaming last gen.

@HammerKirby I like the mystery 😜. And don’t worry, sorry if I overreacted too.

It’s alright… even if they played it a bit safe this gen. It’s not the hardware I’m against (since I can understand most price variations were because of the 🍊 TACO), but it’s the fact that their price increases for software seem really arbitrary (and that is directly Nintendo’s decision)

Now that the cloud has settled down… are we really sure Mario Kart justifies future $80-$90 price increases?

Edit: Also, could anyone say how many of these were preorders? I can’t remember.
The real challenge will be after all those preorders are fulfilled and people (not hardcore fans) that are still on the fence start buying the console.

@Rosona it’s a widely used term. It’s not my fault you’re not familiar with it.
In this case it doesn’t matter. I usually call it that when talking about Zelda and Metroidvania with its respective similar games… to avoid the usual misunderstanding from newcomers who say Zelda is not a Metroidvania because it’s not “2D” 🙄.

Regardless of the “term” … it’s is the Zelda formula through and through and people who just recently came into the gaming scene don’t understand the gaming design, philosophy and structure of it if they think BotW and TotK fall into it’s original sub genre or it’s an “evolution” of it.