@Anti-Matter Hmm. Well, I think there's a possibility that the Game Cards with no content is a provision for 3rd party developers who are already practicing this scam, not for Nintendo 1st party games. It's not a strong possibility, but hey, one can hope.
I also agree that the monetization is extreme. We will have to see how and if they plan to practice Switch 2 Vouchers or not in the future. If they don't, it'll be a serious problem. They're becoming more and more out of touch with their customers.
@Anti-Matter Yeah, and I do have digital too. If I wanted a game digitally, I can buy it on the eShop. For games I really like most, or a fan of the series, I like having physical and having the game on the cart. This whole game-key card is like a really bad deal breaker to those who like physical.
Yeah, $80 for one game is a lot. I have no issue paying $50-$60 (some games are still $50, Sonic x Shadow Generations and Trolls Remix Rescue launched at $50), $80 is too much. Physically or Digitally, the price is too steep.
I may just have to stick to Switch and previous systems for Nintendo gaming, and get new games on PC. I feel like I'm being priced out of Nintendo. I'll always have a PC for everyday things on it and I could play games on it too.
@Mariotag I can't help but agree. I remember the 3DS situation, it launched at $250 IIRC. Because it didn't sell well, the price dropped. We really need something like that for Switch 2 to happen.
Nice, I was playing it the other night. Specifically Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympic Games. My friend took me to a hockey game for his birthday, and another friend reminded me that the Mario & Sonic games had hockey in it. So I played that.
It's been awhile since I've played it, but TMS had new side stories, and all the DLC from the Wii U version included.
@Pastellioli Thanks, I do feel bad because I was away for so long between stuff in real life happening.
I agree, the hardware is good and the games are good. It's the price of games that's really high. One could easily get a Switch 2, and play indie games which do cost less than first party Nintendo games (I have lots of indies between Wii U, Switch and PC). I kinda expected $70, but never expected Nintendo to go even higher. Hilarious thing about that tech demo is it should have been included with the system for free.
The game chat. Want something even funnier, the Wii U had video chat, for free. I use to use it a lot too, my friend who moved away got a Wii U and we did that well before we ever got Discord. It's ironic given that video chatting on a Nintendo system isn't a new thing too.
Will admit, the controller news is cool. I did not want to buy a new pro controller should I ever get a system (if I do, I'll probably be playing more indie games on it since first party game prices are too high). Right now I think I may wait on a Switch 2 and see how it plays out, or stick to Switch 1 and PC gaming.
@Sunsy
I think I got clarification about game key for Switch 2.
There was one user said the game-key cartridge only imply on certain Switch 2 games which have insufficient GB size so it will be partial download situation again like and the code in box games on Switch 1 which in Switch 2 case, the code in box treatment got replaced with blank cartridge with game-key inside so you don't need to type the 12 digits code to redeem the digital game, just insert the blank cartridge then proceed to download the game from eshop and you can only play the games by inserting the blank cartridge (remember the virtual gamecard feature for digital Switch games from Nintendo Direct last 27 March 2025?).
That's so far I can clarify.
@Anti-Matter It pretty much is a "code in a box" situation, without the code and the cartridge being a digital key when inserted. It's still a cartridge that requires the game to be completely downloaded from the eShop. Even if the cartridge has a little bit of data on it (we won't know for sure until someone buys one and tries it), you still need to download the full game.
Might as well go digital with something like that. It defeats the purpose of having a cartridge for the game. Even having a game on a cart has the benefit of not filling up system or SD card memory.
@Sunsy don’t feel bad! It’s fine if you were busy.
It’s a bummer with the prices because I know a lot of cooler and exciting games are going to be exclusive to the Switch 2 and won’t be compatible with the OG Switch…the pricing for the games kind of stinks, but from an article NL wrote recently, some European retailers are planning on selling some of the Switch 2 games for cheaper (they mentioned a French retailer is selling pre-orders for Bananza and BOTW Switch 2 edition for €59.90) but sadly Ive heard of no US retailers selling the games for cheaper as well, which sucks. I am hoping later on that some US stores (like maybe GameStop) will sell pre-owned Switch 2 games at a cheaper price when the games release. I hear a lot of people on here are planning on purchasing pre-owned Switch 2 games in stores instead and waiting, which sounds like it might be the way to go. I don’t expect to get the Switch 2 at launch too, also because it’s absolutely going to sell out fast from the rumors throughout the years and the new features.
I never used the voice chat on Wii U, and one time I was going to but it turned out it was discontinued. But, it’s such a darn shame they brought it back for Switch 2 just to lock it behind an NSO sub for people who don’t have it.
Yeah, it’s a relief they said older controllers will work for the Switch 2 and the special retro NSO controllers are usable as well, albeit they won’t be usable with certain games that require Switch 2 exclusive features (like mouse controls), OG Joy-Cons can’t be charged with the Switch 2, and enabling voice chat has to be done manually since it has no C button. I am wondering if third-party Switch controllers will still be usable or not. But it is good that no one will have to buy more new controllers for it.
I am excited to see how well some of the older games will run. I know there are special Switch 2 Editions for specific games with new content and features, but I am wondering how older backwards compatible games without Switch 2 Editions will run since it is very likely I will use OG Switch games instead of newer exclusive games. I am especially curious how different Smash Ultimate might run on that, though I’d absolutely love if they fixed the awful online on that.
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@Mariotag It is from what I’ve seen, but in a lot of stuff I’ve played or seen with kitsune, they lack the transformation abilities and are only shown in their fox form.
I only played one route of Three Hopes, which was with the Golden Deer. I found Three Hopes was super short, but I remember there was this one battle where your decisions will affect the story and its length. One decision will significantly shorten the game but the other will add more chapters and give you the full ending I’m not too into doing multiple playthroughs of certain games so I only did one route. The final battle was annoying though. Compared to most I don’t mind hack-and-slash games, but maybe because I played Hyrule Warriors on the Wii U and Fire Emblem Warriors and thought those were decent games.
I do get somewhat impatient drawing too. I’m only able to complete, what, maybe 1 or 2 drawings each month, mainly because of time but also because I’m the type of person who gets upset when my drawing doesn’t go as I planned to, and I am quick to give up the drawing while working on it. I do want to go back to drawing, also because I recently bought a set of bright colored Sharpies.
Oh, I see. It seems like to me that Naruto is kind of well-known for having filler in it? That stinks, I haven’t really watched any anime with filler in it, but I also believe I heard One Piece is notorious for having it, but I assume it’s also because the show has a bunch of episodes too. Honestly, I do kind of dislike when I’m watching a movie or something and the film has these random scenes in here that feel like filler and have no bearing on the plot, because I have felt that way with some movies I’ve watched before.
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“Darn! Just one more page and I would have finished this book…” - The Man With No Name, 1992
@JaxonH I'm going to avoid opining on this topic to not create more moderation opportunities (and advise everyone else to do the same lol), but since the Vietnam thread was locked, I thought I'd just drop some links for you to check out re: the tariff issue.
@Sunsy Hi there, I hope everything is going well for you. No worries for not getting to my last reply yet, I'm not upset about that at all. I've also been busy, and I've been focusing on fighting off my depression lately, I've been through a lot recently. Depression is never fun to have, especially since I'm very, very sensitive. I've been listening to some ambiance videos on YouTube, those have been helping me emotionally. There's a 1950s calm night one that has oldies playing in the background, and it's really nice. I like old-timey stuff and that helps me get a good night's sleep.
I understand why you're upset about the Switch 2. $80-90 is indeed a lot of cash for just one game... I don't think I'll be able to get too many new games because of that. I didn't know about some games being $90, though. Mario Kart World looks awesome, and I really, really want to play it... but the price tag is definitely a tough pill to swallow. And yes, the game key cards are such a silly idea. Why not just have the game stuffed inside and be done with it? I did see that the welcome tour costs some money too... honestly, that's also silly. Agreed, that should've been included in the system from the get-go, or just not have that being a thing to begin with.
I think, if Switch 2 sales start being not great, we may see some things change. And yeah, the 3DS started out at $250, which was pretty expensive for a handheld. The 3DS did not sell too well when it first came out, then it got a price drop and its hardware sales were much better. Especially with Super Mario 3D Land and Mario Kart 7 coming out that holiday season. Similarly, the PS3 was $600 when it first came out, it didn't sell nearly as well as the Wii and 360, then it got a price drop and redesign and it did quite a bit better. I'll probably hold off on getting the Switch 2 for the time being and see how things play out, probably the best course of action for me.
@Pastellioli Yea, I forget what the last thing I said on kitsune was, but most places, they lack transformation abilities.. I still remember Our Home's Fox Deity though. The one in that disguised as human was like, "I'm sure glad I decided to be a girl today!"
Really short? Tbh, that's good news for me. Though it might be the path you chose. I chose Dimitri.
Also, you played Wii U HW? Niiice. Played the DLC too?
I ragequit far faster than that. I've not really drawn in ages.
Yeah, Naruto is notorious for filler. I dunno about One Piece, but it's understandable.
As for Switch 2...Nintendo really did go out and say their pricing wasn't already influenced by tariffs, huh? Admitted to being greedy af, and they think they'll get paid no matter what they charge...
I knew Iwata going was gonna be hard, but it seems he was keeping the greed in check.
Just occurred to me, we could have another N64 situation on out hands instead of flat out greed.
N64 games notoriously cost more because carts were more expensive to manufacture than the PS1 discs.
@Mariotag Kitsune and mythological creatures are so interesting and capture my attention a ton.
It is short, and each route has 16 chapters, though less depending on the decisions you make in one of the later chapters. I only did the Golden Wildfire route though. I did play the original Hyrule Warriors, but I don’t think I ever had the DLC…maybe I’m not remembering well, but I remember having some DLC outfits for Lana and Cia though.
That’s understandable. I usually do get like that sometimes. Rarely I try to make a new piece to replace a drawing I messed up. I remember years ago, I wasn’t really good at drawing, and I made this artwork that, for my art skills at the time, was somewhat more detailed than my other drawings. I also had these acrylic paints I had, and I thought “I’m going to color this in well!” and it didn’t go well. I was bad at acrylics and I made the mistake of diluting the paint and using it like watercolor but ruined the drawing and got super upset. I did trace over the failed drawing and salvaged it, but I rarely do that, because I don’t have the time to anymore. Paint is one of the drawing materials I’m absolutely bad at using. I also wasted money on a bunch of bottles last year because of a painting I wanted to make in my head,, but when the painting looked bad in it’s early stage, I gave up, trashed the botched painting later on and donated the bottles.
The pricing is so iffy. The games look cool, but they sound so pricey. I get why the console is priced that much, but I’m more disappointed in the prices for the first-party games, though luckily the only Switch 2 game I’m interested in is DK Bananza. Sucks that pre-orders got delayed because of tariffs, and pretty much everyone else has to suffer because of it. I wasn’t going to pre-order, but hopefully they announce a new date quickly since it’s releasing in two months time. I can imagine the release being somewhat of a mess with the pre-orders being delayed and the console selling out quickly. Plus why are they charging for simple features and stuff that should have been free? The voice chat is going to be locked behind an NSO sub so some people won’t be able to use it, and the welcome tour tech demo shouldn’t even be paid. I’m glad the welcome tour is at a small price at roughly $6, but should a tech demo that isn’t an actual game cost money?
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@Mariotag They can. They usually assume forms of beautiful women. Much like kitsunes and Huli jings. In fact the huli jing influenced the creation of kitsunes and kumihos in korean and japanese folklore.
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@DanijoEX-The-Kumiho Ah.
As someone once entranced by the idea of "they can become anyone and anything, even transforming others", I can only imagine. Though, the last part is probably a pipe dream from someone else's OC.
Why have a single superpower when you can get any one you desire through transformation?
@Pastellioli Yeah. Mythological creatures are awesome! ...for the most part. I would definitely not want a medusa to exist. Ever.
16?? I'm struggling at like, 4-5... Yeah. OG HW DLC was an earlier example of you getting this immense amount of extra content for $20, but it got so brutal... I never fully finished it. Can't recall if there were outfits prior to the DLC. Cia only came as part of the DLC though.
Yeahhh. Funnily enough, I mostly do digital art if I'm gonna try. I've had loads of anxiety with messy stuff. I'm not ready to try paint. But it's worth noting, Wii U Gamepad aside, a special case in its own right, I'm bad at digital art flat out.
The pricing is nuts. The only pricing I thought reasonable was the console itself. Sure, it's expensive. But it isn't like, ps3 launch day expensive. Or a ps5 pro. Closer to launch day ps5. Between that and ps4 launch day. The game prices are nuts for the most part, but I am pleased to see some games buck the insane new trend. Weird how games have cost between $50-$70 for like, the entirety of the console market up till now. Unaffected by inflation, they just were. Then Nintendo decided to price them up. It could be like N64, where cart manufacturing was just that much more expensive. But given their other choices, I'm going with sheer greed.
Yes, the tariffs are becoming a nightmare. I can understand why they're there at least, cause the US has been placed at a massive economic disadvantage, with everyone else doing manufacturing, and others taking advantage of the US. There's a chart I asked my dad to show me, which would depict the US tariffs, and what they're in response to.
Still, no question they harm the consumer. My hope is that as a result, Nintendo will find they cannot go too Wario with their prices, or ppl just won't buy. The new Wii U, by their own choice, again.
@Pastellioli Thanks! Will say, the biggest highlight while I was away, I went to a hockey game with my friend. He wanted to do it for his birthday and I went. Don't regret it, and it made me play Mario and Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics on Wii U for the hockey event there.
I really hope that retailers follow suit and compete to help lower the prices of retail games. Really, the $80 price tag is putting me off (in addition to game-key cards). As someone who's also a PC gamer, I've gotten the best deals for games over the years. If prices are too high, I may just consider sticking to PC and older Nintendo consoles. I'll always have a PC for everyday things, but I also play games on it. Planning to play some Jagged Alliance tonight on it. Thanks for reminding me, I need to play more of Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity.
Yeah, not voice chat, video chat. The Wii U did video chat first, honestly it was a good app to use. My friend and I used it quite a bit.
I'd imagine that much, I do have the charging grip for the Joy-Cons ever since, well before I had my Switch. Toys R Us was going out of business, so I grabbed the charging grip for cheap before I had the system. I'd imagine they would work given a lot of third party controllers are officially licensed too.
While I don't know if I'll get one (again, $80 games are putting me off), that worries me a bit too. I noticed one of the games that didn't work was Asphalt Legends Unite. That's a game I like, play it on both Switch and PC. Who knows if other games have issues. I'd hate to be locked out of Trolls Remix Rescue in event it doesn't work. However, I still keep my older systems, so I could always play on there.
@Mariotag If you ever get it, enjoy it. I consider TMS to be a really underrated game. I agree with both.
@MarioVillager92 It goes well. Even though I was busy, my friend took me to a hockey game, which led me booting up my Wii U to play the hockey event in Mario & Sonic 2014. Sorry to hear about that. YouTube ambiance is the best, that sounds nostalgic. For me, I really like the sounds of planes and car rides. Sometimes I put them on as I fall asleep at night (I usually use a sleep timer to turn off the TV).
Honestly, the price of the games is putting me off. I'm afraid I might not be able to get a Switch 2, and stick to my Switch, older Nintendo consoles and PC, unless a price drop happens. Which I do have a lot to play across all of them. I did play my Wii U during the week. Yeah, game-key card is just a bad idea. I buy physical to have it on the cart. If I want digital, I'd just buy the download it. I've been doing both physical and digital across Wii to Switch. Also, that physical copy saves on system memory and SD card space.
That would be something I would love to see happen, the same situation with the 3DS. I remember that like it was yesterday. My friend is the only person who was an early adopter of the 3DS (or an "ambassador" as Nintendo puts it), and others I know got the 3DS later on after the price drop, myself included. I would love to see another 3DS situation happen that could force Nintendo to drop the price.
Just a general comment, not directed to anyone... I miss the old Nintendo, when they didn't do anti-consumer practices like game-key cards or $80 games. The scary part is, if $80 games are successful, you know other game companies are going to follow suit and increase their game prices.
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@Sunsy
Oh, about Switch 2 cartridge.
I got clarification again from other user which the cartridge will have game data inside the cartridge, even the 1st party games.
Only certain 3rd party games that usually the lazy developer games with code in box / partial download which using game-key cartridge.
It's safe to say we can have full games in Switch 2 cartridge.
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