Square Enix has been putting out some AA mid-tier entries for some of its forgotten franchises lately, including Visions of Mana (not on Switch) and not one, but two SaGa games in 2024. The first one was SaGa Emerald Beyond in April and now Romancing SaGa 2: Revenge of the Seven.
As a remake of the original 1993 Romancing SaGa 2, Revenge of the Seven attempts to bring one of the more popular SaGa entries to the modern age. The original was groundbreaking during its time of release, embracing a non-linear narrative structure and a unique generational party mechanic that not many RPGs had. Revenge of the Seven retains what made the original special, but loses a bit of charm along the way with its poor presentation and load times.
The story follows the Emperor of Avalon as they expand their empire and fight back against the Seven Heroes, a group of warriors who saved the world in the past but have now succumbed to dark magic. It’s a rather basic plot set-up for an RPG, but the story stretches over 1000 years. At first, Avalon’s ruler, Leon, and his son Gerard lead the charge. However, they eventually abdicate to make way for successors, which are other party members that the player recruits over time.
This paves the way for Revenge of the Seven’s non-linear storytelling. The emperor goes around the world solving other nations’ problems in exchange for joining the empire, such as stopping an active volcano nearby or cruising through whirlpools to get a ship to a new nation. You’re given multiple nations to annex at once and you’re free to do them in any order you wish, which adds a lot of variety to your playthrough as some events unfold while others don’t.
After major story events, such as killing one of the Seven Heroes, several decades go by and you’re asked to pick a successor. While the story might be a bit dry, the game’s side quests help elevate its worldbuilding. Our personal favourite is one involving a mermaid and we had to gather ingredients to create a Mermaid Potion, letting us breathe underwater. This led us to discovering a giant underwater sunken ship dungeon, and these new areas kept our interest from waning.
The generational mechanic is a mixed bag. It helps Romancing SaGa 2 stand out from a gameplay perspective. You can build out facilities in Avalon including a magic school to learn new spells and a smithy to create new weapons. Every time a new emperor is selected, they inherit all of the skills and abilities of their predecessors. After every time skip, these facilities can pass down and teach all of the moves to new units that you’ve accumulated over the years. This life simulation aspect keeps the moment-to-moment gameplay engaging.
However, it’s hard to connect with any of the characters as they don’t have strong, if any, personalities and just feel like cannon fodder to fill out your party. Our party was certainly growing stronger, but we didn’t sense much character growth, which left us bored throughout the majority of the story and cutscenes.
Revenge of the Seven’s battle system is a much more traditional and simplified turn-based affair than Emerald Beyond’s. They both use the BP system, but Emerald Beyond makes players allocate their limited BP to certain attacks. In Revenge of the Seven, BP basically acts like a consumable MP system, as you’d find in most RPGs.
In Emerald Beyond, manipulating the turn-order timeline was a crucial aspect in preventing enemies from piling up on your party with beefed-up consecutive attacks, called United Attacks. Revenge of the Seven’s timeline manipulation doesn’t have nearly as much of an impact on the flow of battle, as the order seemingly only takes into consideration a unit’s speed stat minus encumbrance. As a result, Revenge of the Seven’s battle system doesn’t feel as nuanced.
Instead, there’s a central emphasis on hitting weaknesses. Enemies have multiple weaknesses, and they’re hidden at first, very similar to Octopath Traveler. By exploiting these weaknesses, you build the Overdrive gauge, which when full, allows your party to perform United Attacks. But overall the battle system lacks a strategic hook like Octopath Traveler’s BP stacking or Persona’s 'One More' mechanics. It devolves into something like a Pokémon game, where the two parties just simply take turns hitting each other.
We do like Revenge of the Seven’s progression system, though. Each character can equip two weapons and raise their individual weapon levels to learn new skills called techs. In order to learn them, characters have to use existing techs during battle and activate 'glimmer.' Characters tend to glimmer more often during hard fights, such as boss battles. While the chance to glimmer is random, you’re not left totally in the dark. There’s a lightbulb icon next to techs that can still glimmer and unlock new moves. It’s incredibly fun to continually unlock and collect more techs to add to your repertoire that can be passed down to future generations.
On Switch, Revenge of the Seven suffers from long load times and some frame rate stutters. The visuals aren’t anything to write home about, either. The original game actually looked similar to Octopath Traveler, especially during battles and an HD2D approach to this remake would’ve been much more charming than the fully 3D one we got here. The 3D models aren’t terrible, but there’s a lack of distinctive art direction and bland-looking characters. At the very least, though, there’s a good variety of monster designs that keeps the amount of palette swaps to a minimum.
Revenge of the Seven also has plenty of great quality-of-life features. The original was criticised for being too hard at times, but Revenge of the Seven has multiple difficulty options to tailor your playthrough. Your party’s HP also fully replenishes after every battle, which makes dungeon crawling a smooth experience.
Conclusion
Romancing SaGa 2: Revenge of the Seven is a bit of an underwhelming RPG that has some unique gameplay mechanics. The open-ended world narrative structure feels freeing, but the characters are boring. The glimmer mechanic is fun, but the battle system lacks a strategic hook. Each of its gameplay systems is a double-edged sword, as we’d find a particular aspect enticing while another was baffling. It feels like a slight step back from the other recent SaGa games, but if you’re a fan of the series, Revenge of the Seven might resonate with you more than it did with us.
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I'm kinda glad this game is not as good as some people were expecting, because I have WAY too many great games in the wishlist already lol, and Mario & Luigi, Dragon Quest 3 and Fantasian are coming out pretty soon...
@the_beaver everyone else is praising the game, Nintendo Life is the outlier
was there ever a game with SaGa in the title that wasnt a 6/10? 😂
Huh, didn't expect this game to get a relatively low score, but it doesn't matter as it sounds like something I'll overall enjoy (as always hope patches and/or Switch's successor can fix/improve the technical issues), looking forward to my discounted physical copy even though I definitely don't have the time to start it anytime soon between all the other games I'm currently playing and upcoming ones!
@Itachi2099 Uhmm it seems you're right... Maybe it's because of the Switch version? I'll wait for the SwitchUp review, I trust those guys too.
6/10 sounds like bargain bin material to me. Oh wait, I always go for bargains!
I was anticipating a review and not expecting 7/10 or higher. Shame that the battle system is undercooked. I love myself a good one... Guess I'll wait and see about this one, then.
Only a 6? I played the demo and thought it was great. Graphically I thought it was one of the best looking Switch games I've seen in a long time. Played really great too. Based on what I saw and played of the demo I will definitely be picking this up.
Sad about this score. Based on the demo I would already rate it higher.
Hope I'll enjoy it at least. I like the graphics/artstyle as well as the combat mechanics, so I think it will be great for me personally.
It also releases on my birthday. But ofcourse this is the one time I still haven't had an email saying it has been shipped.
This review gets a ton of things wrong. 😵 The characters that you play as do lack personality, but that's because of the more open ended structure. The real main character in this game is the kingdom of Avalon in Varennes, and of course the titular Seven Heroes. You get to learn a lot about the Seven throughout the game and what makes them such a threat.
I played the demo and I was a little underwhelmed but in a way that tracks with what I expect from SAGA games. That feeling that the story is too slight is a perennial complaint with SAGA games. I noticed it even in the demo as the player is just handed a party full of generic characters. BUT I actually thought the presentation is quite good. Normally a score like this would move this right off the list as there are just too many games to spend time on a mediocre rpg. But based on the demo I’m not sure I would personally score it this low. So I’m still thinking about this one…
@JohnnyMind
yeah for me things like load time issues and whatnot were what i was concerned about with the demo and are something i can hope are fixable especially since going by the original game this is a game where you are jumping from location to location a lot.
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@Mgalens Fingers crossed those will be fixed in some way or the other even more so considering what you mentioned about the original then assuming it applies to this remake, too!
@the_beaver Switch Corner gave it an 8/10 so I think it's the reviewer and not the game 😶
I remember playing the first game on psone, I like squaresoft rpg but the graphics, story, and characters are so weird that I didn't finish the game although I'm a huge rpg and squaresoft fan.
@Yinyangfooey What's about dual audio option?
Wow, um...I actually had a blast with this game's demo and is looking to be the first time I was hyped for a Square Enix game since...probably Dragon Quest Builders 2 in 2019. I'm even more hyped for this than the upcoming Mario & Luigi: Brothership, and I say this as a huge Mario fan.
@Itach2099 a 9.5 even at NWR!
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Honestly I didn't get why so many people was hyped for this game, that's, SaGa games are supposed to be ones of the most niche and divisive titles in the market. I was surprised at this one getting mainstream attention out of the blue, especially when the remaster of Romancing SaGa 2(which was already available on modern platforms) is considered niche af.
I just saw that Switch Up gave it a 9.1/10! Woooow! Maybe it's indeed a matter of tastes... Direct to the wishlist it goes lol.
Uhhhh, did you guys take down your sponsored gameplay on your Youtube channel because of the poor review? I'm not tripping right? I'm not the only one who saw Nintendo Life post a sponsored gameplay video for this game today, right? lol
Also @the_beaver SwitchUp gave it a 91%.
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https://nintendoeverything.com/romancing-saga-2-revenge-of-the-seven-review-switch/
Another take.
I try the demo and love it so yes I'm getting this game.
Yikes. I figured that would happen. These always do better in Japan.
A step back from decent games is sort of damning considering recent games have been kinda zany already.
Series kinda peaked with the first two entries on game boy.
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I love SAGA. I think You need to think a bit more than your standard JRPG. I always assume that when people don’t like SAGA they are a bit thick.
nintendo world report gave this game a 9.5 score outstanding..
Summary
Pros
Dynamic, engaging combat
Nonlinear story and unique worldbuilding
Outstanding soundtrack, with original version included
Cons
Endgame difficulty spikes are real
Some performance hiccups on Switch
Definitely not a series for me personally. I tried Romancing Saga 3, and just did not enjoy the experience.
was getting intereste in the title. too bad it turned out another Sqex slop
Saw a review round up giving this loads of 10's and 9's. Eeep.
@Slain
same! I really liked the demo and was really impressed of th overall aesthetic and graphics for a switch game.
The game is already preloaded so... I was surprised by the 6/10 here, because most of the time my taste matches with NL, but not this time! I'll have fun and I'm looking forward playing soon.
Romancing Saga 2 is not as straight forward as some of the other SaGa titles so I'm not surprised that some of the reviews are not as lower than expected. I didn't expect Emerald's battle system because RS2 is a very different game and I probably wouldn't have picked it up if it had the same engine.
Aside from the performance issues(no surprise), all of the changes I've seen in the demo(and news releases) show that RS2 Revenge of the Seven is a massive overhaul of an old Super Famicom RPG(not bad for a 31 year old game)
@Poco_Lypso It's not actually Another Square Enix slop. Bit of a sloppiness from the reviewer. If you are interested, I think you should look at the reviews of other sites.
@JokerCK hmm... maybe I should, lol. metacritic rating vary between ps5 and switch, tho. Maybe its a switch problem...
Guys, seriously.
There's no need to attack the reviewer. This is just their opinion. And opinions are subjective.
I am a SaGa fan so I am hyped for this! Lets goo!! For people like me, this is a dream come true lol. Romancing SaGa 2 is so innovative that its a surprise that they managed to remake it while keeping it faithful.
I think the game is scoring pretty well in other reviews so this one might be a bit of an outlier. BUT I think the two points to take from this albeit lowered score review are these:
1) The switch version might be inferior compared to the rest because of technical issues which is something that is pretty common nowadays.
2) For fans of your classic jRPG experience of gathering people and beating god with a classic party of friends and allies that bond with each other. THIS IS NOT IT.
Once you take those away from the equation, you are all set up. Romancing SaGa is an amazing mystery box and I invite you to enjoy it as you go. SaGa does things that no one other game does!
An increasing amount of Nintendo life reviews are docking points for graphics and performance as if we don't know we are playing games on a switch. Based on the demo, this game is on the better looking side of JRPGs on switch.
SwitchUp gave it a 91 and made it sound excellent. 🤷♂️
So for the Preorders from either GameStop or Amazon are those the same? Also what one likes another dislikes so this comes down to the "Reviewer" themselves and maybe some like the gameplay and others don't like the style of gameplay. This is why people should play the demo that would be the real decider for each person. Demos aren't the finished product or do they have updates after launch. Putting too much eggs into the Demo isn't a good way to judge the game one must at least played the Chapter or first part to know how it will continue at least that will give a better review of the game. I'll get the game only for the Preorder Bonus and give it a try as well.
You removed my comment but that does not change the fact that you are being manipulated to give this game a 6 out of 10. Do you know people from ATLUS perhaps? Are you being bribed?
@Itachi2099 I liked the gameplay video, so I'm a bit sad that they took it down. Certainly gave more of a relaxed introduction to the game.
As a diehard SaGa fan... yeah, sounds about right. It's a nice remake, but it sure doesn't seem that they put as much effort into this one as they did the RS1 remake, way back when. And what was hugely impressive 30 years ago, enough for us to forgive a lot of the games' other issues, simply isn't punching in the same weight class today.
"Interesting ideas but with serious flaws" can really describe just about any SaGa game, so that's pretty on brand. If they care to fix some performance issues I'm fine with some jank tho.
Nah I'll pass on the 30 fps cap and play on PS5 lol
Always been intrigued by the SaGa games, but never been my cup. I did like the demo for this, which I feel so far has decent QoL to make it more palatable.
On a side note, I love how people are complaining about NL having a review that clashes with other sites' reviews, but any other time complaining that NL agrees with other sites' reviews lol
@MeloMan Your being over melodramatic here. Every reviews is their own cup of tea. And Reviewers do have bias let's not forget that as well - we are human after all.
@Pillowpants I don't think it is. You can take a look yourself with the demo.
Of course there are better combat systems out there, but it is good.
Visions of mana is not mid tier, it’s amazing.
Aside from that comment, I’d agree with the opening statement.
This game is one I’ve been hesitating on picking up, will wait for a sale I think. Sounds pretty average in this review
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Firstly I’ve been playing this game and it’s absolutely brilliant. Very hard and very satisfying. I’ve died a lot and it’s often kinda unavoidable but it makes the eventual victory even sweeter.
Secondly I do have a problem with this title being scored a 6 by any website as it’s not an average game it’s an exceptional game and I don’t like that an expert wouldn’t see this. With reviews like this I might as well ask My dog if I would like this top tier RPG.
I think this game is great. I have played most of the Square titles and this one really stands apart. The atmosphere is great, the exploration is exciting, the battle system is very good and managing of the empire is something special. That's close to 10 in my opinion.
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