If ever there was a time for parents to put their collective foot down and tell their young ones to choose one favourite toy to buy, this may be it. The toys-to-life market has never been busier as three huge brands go head to head, and LEGO Dimensions arguably - or factually, in terms of the toy market - has the biggest brand of all. Yet it's in a tricky spot - its game series has been around for multiple generations and fans are accustomed to many titles packed with characters and hidden secrets. What happens when you lock secrets behind the priciest real-world DLC imaginable?
Let's begin from the beginning, though. The plot introduces Lord Vortech, a delightfully camp villain that's both evil and lovable at once, making him perfect for a LEGO game. His ultimate goal is typically apocalyptic stuff as he aims to control all of the dimensions of the universe, or something dastardly along those lines, and naturally that causes realities to collide and intersect in lucrative ways. It's a fairly predictable setup, sure, but the story is told with some excellent humour and panache. The LEGO team at Tt Games has been producing these titles for so long that it's established a narrative style that rarely fails, and the writing team clearly had fun in mashing up some of the world's biggest franchises.
It's a lengthy storyline, too, which is sure to keep younger or less experienced players busy for quite some time. The experience is largely familiar, though, with many of LEGO's favourite mechanics being present - smash everything in brick form, occasionally build from destroyed scenery, and utilise character abilities for relatively simple platforming or puzzle challenges. Unlike its predecessors, though, you don't unlock new characters by clearing stages and progressing through the story; they're solely locked behind toys-to-life products as DLC. We'll come to that again later.
The gameplay's innovations - at least in terms of the franchise - come through the NFC portal and the compatible toys. The portal is a welcome twist on what's come before in rival franchises and through amiibo scanning on the GamePad or New 3DS, as it has a total of seven NFC input areas split between three distinct sections. For those with a number of the extra packs this allows for some potentially humorous character and franchise mash-ups.
This portal and the figures do play into what makes this rather unique in the toys-to-life space, as you actually build everything to use it. In theory you can cheat and the game knows no better - as each toy ultimately has a base with the chip inside - but that's against the spirit of the endeavour. After an introduction scene we spent well over an hour building the portal and Starter Pack characters + Batmobile, with prompts from the game providing instructions. That in itself was fun, and we fully appreciate that in the hands of young gamers with bright imaginations this has the potential to be truly magical. The way NFC technology is integrated into the game world - and vice-versa - is a strong point of the experience.
The puzzle aspects of the portal - and those distinct sections - are typically limited to colour-based challenges. There's a lot of repetition as you combine in-game actions with placing the relevant figure in a different zone, as the same three or four approaches are repeated multiple times. Nevertheless it is the most substantial attempt to utilise NFC in this way that we've seen, while the ability to upgrade and rebuild vehicles with fresh designs - all linked to the toy itself, once again - is another high point. In terms of immersing LEGO fans into both the toys and the game, LEGO Dimensions succeeds.
The Starter Pack's content provides a fairly robust package, which is fundamental considering the high price - at launch - that it commands. Buying into a series like this always has an initial wallet-busting hit, and the value here is just about justifiable, but could certainly have been a little less expensive. The toys themselves are typical LEGO, while the lengthy core campaign is joined by three Adventure Worlds right out of the box, essentially semi-sandbox areas that condense franchise worlds into a traversable space. In an adventure world you can find collectibles, complete simple tasks for Golden Bricks or just goof around, so combining the three worlds included with the campaign means there's a lot for players to do.
The inevitable 'but' comes with the other Adventure Worlds and also the locked off areas and items within the primary campaign. Dedicated LEGO game fans are accustomed to finding and unlocking characters and then replaying levels to access previously locked off areas and puzzles. The difference here is that you don't unlock characters through progress, at all, so as a result you see lots of shiny colour-coded walls or items that require specific toys or characters. As very few gamers are likely to splash out hundreds of dollars amassing all of the Level, Fun and Character packs flooding onto shelves, there's the reality that no amount of grinding will allow completionists to beat every level 100%.
That's the business model, ultimately, but the pricing of the packs and the abundance of reminders in the main campaign regarding characters not yet owned can feel rather tacky. We suspect parents in particular may feel it's a little excessive in how it's emphasized and communicated, putting a lot of pressure on them to go beyond the initial Starter Pack purchase. Despite this you do encounter and experience all of the main franchises in the story mode, which means that those only interested in the core game do get to enjoy environments and character cameos from the many included IPs.
In terms of how these franchises are utilised in the story, it's a mixed bag. Some stages seem sloppy in design and execution - such as The Simpsons - yet on the flipside others provide some fantastic moments and some of the best LEGO gaming we've ever seen. Later on there's a lovely section that retro gamers will surely adore, and the Doctor Who stage will live in this fan's memory for some time; other standouts for us included stages based on Scooby Doo and Portal. It's slightly uneven at times in quality, but the high points generally outweigh the mediocre moments.
On the Wii U, however, we do have some technical complaints. First, while local co-op play is nicely implemented (one player on the TV and another on the GamePad) it suffers from poor performance, with the framerate dropping as the Wii U tries to run two separate views. Matters improve - thankfully - in single player, yet there are still performance inconsistencies. Some levels ran smoothly when we'd anticipated issues, while others struggled badly despite there being minimal effects and draw distance on display. It feels, at times, that each level was tackled by a separate team, with a few not quite getting the most out of the hardware. Performance is never bad enough to be unplayable, but Wii U owners need to be prepared for a chugging framerate on occasion.
That aside this is a fairly handsome game, comparing well to the various other LEGO games on the Wii U. On top of that there's an all-star cast - albeit with some clunky old lines lifted from movies and TV shows of varying ages - and the music is fantastic. It's as big budget as would be expected.
Conclusion
LEGO Dimensions is well worth consideration for those happy to invest in a new toys-to-life platform. The core content of the Starter Pack gives you plenty to do, though tolerance is required for occasionally overbearing in-game promotion of expensive add-ons. There are moments of brilliance, a few modest levels and some disappointing sections where design is questionable and performance struggles. The positives do outweigh the negatives, though, and in addition to some high points this also sets a new standard in how toys-to-life can bring NFC portals and a video game together in new ways. These toys actually come to life, which promises much for the future.
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Oddly enough I just picked this up today along with the Scooby Doo set. I'm sure my kids will enjoy it.
Also got the Best Buy rewards club offer for 30$ for 2 years. Well worth it as what I saved on the Legos and one other game already paid for it. If not for that deal I'm still not sure I'm jumping on the bandwagon but I'm knee deep now!
The lego games are fun, but never optimised and full of glitches. This one is no different by the sound of it.
As overpriced as the toys are, ironically enough, it's the cheepest way to get a simpsons minifig now they stopped selling the blind packs (where I live at least)
This looks really fun but I don't want to be sucked into spending hundreds of pounds on the figures.
Also, Doctor Who? Scooby Doo? Portal? Are there actual Lego toys of those now?
I can't believe you gave this a 7. You should be slaughtering this game for being the biggest scumbag, money-grabbing game ever to have existed!!! LEGO's brand has been completely wiped out in my eyes, and I'm never buying another product made by this scumbag company again. Or from Warner Bros for that matter.
@RCMADIAX how would you rank it alongside your top 5-10 Lego games?
I do want this, but only when it's discounted, I've got about 4 Lego games I've not even started yet as it is.
This might be the most appealing Lego game I've seen so far, espeically for the Doctor Who expansion... but because of the pricing I'm waiting until it goes clearance. And it will, because all Lego games go clearance within a year and I have plenty of games to play that I already own.
So it's basically a normal LEGO game only instead of getting the characters with studs, you have to shell out $15 to $30 to unlock them. I thought this was going to be different in some way but it's just an expensive LEGO game. I like all the other LEGO games, but until I can get this for 70% off, I'm going to stick with LEGO Worlds instead of spending $500 to play this game.
@RainbowGazelle So a game should get less then a 7 just because you don't like the direction the company went with this? Just don't buy it. They still seem to be making other Lego games so I don't see any problems till they stop making those other games and start only offering them through the Dementions line.
we have been playing Skylanders SC and while the game is fun I have noticed an increase in the price for figures and the add on packs the figures are now $14 and the add-on packs are $36 the games befor this title figures were $10 and add-ons were $25 now with the Legos title from what I've seen you need a second job as bad as Skylanders is the Lego set seem OVERWHELMING I think they are getting carried away with the commitment and PRICE for addmission just my opinion .
@Spoony_Tech The game should be less than a 7, because it's bleeding its customers dry and treating them like crap.
"three huge brands"
No love for amiibo? AC:aF is due out soon you know.
Might have been my misreading, but the entire review felt like between every line it said - well, I'm really having fun, but I don't want to b/c I don't want to spend the money, so I'm going to emphasize the negatives to save myself some money.
I think by now everybody knows what toys-to-life means, well everybody but Nintendo, and has been sinking money into these money pits for years. It's almost like these games should be reviewed in comparison to one another like a new genre - AAA, indies, toys to life. I certainly wouldn't be happy if I was a gamer I to all the previous Lego games and then this bursts onto the scene, $700 and counting last I checked. That's insane, better off buying a PS4 and Lego Avengers 2 and Lego Jurassic World and still save yourself a couple of hundred bucks.
But, as a parent with Lego and videogame loving kids, this isn't that bad. Walk down any retail store in the Lego aisle, Legos are ecpensive. Mindstorn is $350 yet people but it and like it. And we've been buying Skyland erstwhile for 4 years, and DI for 9 months. Yes, these things are ecpensive, but they have some value if you play with them as toys. More value than amiibo, and more value than SSB DLC outfits.
So while I completely understand people being put off by this, just as some are put off by Star Wars Battlefront $50 season pass in addition to the $60 game - plus needing to pay to play online b/c there is no offline single player - I think these games do have some merit, and the toys are toys for kids. I have yet to see a toys to life game rated M (18).
I guess my biggest problem is everybody gets so hung up on the price I feel like the reviews, here and elsewhere, font spend enough time focusing on the core gsmeplay, just thebprice. Is ithere fun? Sounds like not so fun on Wiig U, may have to look into the PS4 version, though if this is built for PS4 and X2 that may suffer as well, and my kids really like 2 player on the Gamepad.
I'm OK w/ the 7, sounds fair. And for anyone looking to sink a ton of cash into this, look for sales. Toys to life toys are always on sale, 40% off, half price, $10 instead of $15. The $100 starter pack will be $50 somewhere Thanksgiving weekend, that's when we'll pick it up. Skyland erstwhile is Christmas, started Disney Infinity yrsterday, my kids like toys and I like sales, we make it work.
Sorry, my toy to life $$ is going to Disney Infinity 3.0 this time round. Kids barely touched Skylanders: Trap Team after getting infinity, so Super Chargers is out, and and they get frustrated with the Lego games and Dimensions has a curious price point.
@Spoony_Tech If you just bought this why were you asking about Spyro, was it an either or decision? Probably get a quicker response from me on here than Twitter, and I'm too wordy for 144 characters. I might need to get BB GCU this year just to cover all the toys. I forgot last year.
@RCMADIAX Thanks for that! Been looking for confirmation of the actual number of sets needed to 100%. Really want to play it, but putting the game and one level set aside until the others drop in price. Also noticed the lack of instructional gameplay in the bit I did play. Found that a bit odd as I was expecting it to be full of uneeded instructions.
@rjejr I asked because I'm also a member at toys r us and they had a fire sale lol. We have swap force and the kids still play it from time to time but they were offering 2$ for spyro figures 4$ for giants and 5$ for swap force. I went and spent 20$ and got them 6 more figures. Can't beat that!
@rjejr I think I fall into that category of gamer you mention that likes the Lego games and feels a bit disappointed at the cost of this, given the value of previous entries. Feels like I have to pay the same amount for one level as I normally pay for a whole game. Taking on board your point about the toys aspect, though. It would be better value if I wanted the toys to play with or collect. Really, I'm only bothered about the game so I wish there was a cheaper way. Definitely waiting for sales.
I'm probably going to be getting this eventually, because I'm a huge sucker and need the Portal, Doctor Who, and BTTF worlds. NEED THEM.
Skipping this. DI and amiibo together are expensive enough for me. I only find Scooby Doo appealing and I can buy a "dead" toy that includes him, for a similar price.
For me this one is in a weird spot because Lego games are not new and Lego toys are not new. The others (amiibo, DI, SL) offer the only way to get those toys, with a chip inside them. So WB compares the price of their figures to the other Lego figures, not to the other Toys to Life figurines.
@RCMADIAX Have you seen how much it costs for a scale model of the Death Star?
I'll have to pass on this for now. What money I have for NFC figures is for amiibo right now. Also haven't finished Lego Marvel yet.
Meh Lego games 😒
Not sure I will buy this for my kids but this "...local co-op play is nicely implemented (one player on the TV and another on the GamePad)" is always a great thing!
Most of the New Lego Properties in this game came from Lego Ideas. Some of those were made into real sets Doctor Who and BTTF. The DeLorian Set came out last year and a Doctor Who set will be coming this Christmas season.
So maybe I missed this, but how does the game register the transforming tools and weapons? Is there just a switch to flip on the base?
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That's what they want. $700 to complete your game is nothing but greed. I thought Smash needed a season pass, but good lord.
I really can't warm up to the overall financial prerequisites set into LEGO Dimensions in the slightest. Locking actual on-disc content behind paywalls as enormous as some LEGO sets (granted, the starting lineup for Dimensions-compatible sets doesn't have extremely expensive sets) is a really poor method of extorting money from unsuspecting parents and children. Also, the sheer amount of mandatory purchases just for 100% clearance is an injustifiable crutch to the experience, since the game doesn't really miss a chance to point out your lack of sets, either.
Basically, this game is an absolute nightmare for paranoid completionists such as me. Hell, I fear I could develop OCD from getting locked out of sections in every level (and I don't even know if that's possible)!
And even for huge LEGO enthusiasts, I can't possibly imagine this game to be a good deal, since over 500$ just for a complete game is just despicable, even when taking into account all the LEGO sets those folks would have lying around everywhere.
@rjejr amiibo's a bit different from the others, and you know that just fine
@RainbowGazelle
It's only bleeding the customer dry if they spend more than they can afford, but then I don't see how the fault for that lies with TT, WB and LEGO
These games that rely on toys are what will ultimately turn serious gamers away from Nintendo.
I know the other two consoles have games and toys but they have a better selection of non toy games. Nintendo and some reviewers seem more interested in the Amiibos then they do the game.
I have almost completed Lego City (Did not get in when it was first released) and I was suprised how good it was. I may even buy Lego Jurassic World (will read a few reviews first), but I will not even consider Dimensions. I do not want to play with toys and I would not spend good money on what amounts to nothing more than a code hidden inside an expensive bit of plastic.
It cost £7 to purchase an extra track for Mario Kart 8. OK a little expensive, £5 would have been more realistic for a single track download, but I bet if next year Nintendo release another track or two we would be expected to activate it by buying a Mario Kart Amiibo at £12.
McDonalds give these plastic toys for free but Nintendo and Lego etc charge a rip off price for the same thing with a chip in it.
If rumours are true that the NX will only support digital downloaded games, then there would be no reason to have these add on toys. Any extra content could/would/should also be a download for a small cost.
Some really good comments here, on both sides.
Just as added perspective on the 7 - the game itself is pretty darn good (in my opinion), and I imagine if I was playing on PS4 or Xbox One (which perform better) I'd be in the 8 category. There are some technical issues with Wii U that I mentioned.
In terms of the debate with price, I've tried to highlight in the review that I'm not a fan of the pricing or the way kits are promoted in game. I've tried to share that perspective.
At the same time, as a LEGO game and judging on what you get in the starter pack, how the NFC is utilised etc, it's a solid offering that offers plenty of content. As far as how it moves 'toys to life' forward, it's an important game from that perspective too.
Anyway, just expanding a bit and adding my tuppence to the debate here in the comments
@zool
"These games that rely on toys are what will ultimately turn serious gamers away from Nintendo."
You do realise that these games that rely on toys are also on Microsoft and Sony systems right?
Overall I'm enjoying LD, yes it's more expensive than the typical LEGO games, yes you need to buy a fair chunk to complete it, yes they are priced higher than your typical LEGO set (except for the licensed stuff), but I don't see how it's any different than Skylanders and DI except that, in the end, I've got fully functioning LEGO toys and not cheaply produced statues.
@Spoony_Tech Yeah, they should all work just fine in Swap force. Sorry it takes me like 3 days to reply to my twitter feed. Your kids have good taste in games. My kid still wants a few old ones, and Darth Vader now that he bought DI 3.0, as he says "because Darth Vader". In the future all slang will be create on YouTube by the Illuminati.
1 thing I don't like about TRU, they add that extra $! to all the toys, even their B1G150% off deals barley work out better than my 5% Target Red Card purchase. Might need to look into their credit card, I think they have 10% off on Thursday, though knowing TRU it won't work on toys. I have the worst luck w/ coupons there.
Ps. I hope that Lego dimensions flops. I only say this to protect Gaming in general. If it is a success then I could see this as something other games company's will adopt.
Sometime in 2016/2017. The latest new blockbuster Mario game that needs 12 Amiibos in order to complete it.
@ThomasBW84 Yeah I know TW, but I couldn't let it go. If you change the "three" to "the" it almost reads the same but without the little subtle subconscious imaginary dig at amiibo. Oh, and sorry my post was longer than your review, was typing it on tablet and didn't realize how long it was getting, even for me. You did do a much better job than the PS review, I think I was reacting more to that one than yours.
If you haven't already got Lego City Undercover, get it before you purchase any other Lego game.
@Sakura I think I came across as too excited for the toys in that long post. I would prefer they weren't necessary. I like my games without toys. And without DLC, and without season passes. My point was more this is the new reality, the review should just focus on the gameplay. Should we go back and redo the review for Super Smash Bros on Wii U now that there is over $40 of DLC for it? Does Mario Kart need a new review post Seaosn Pass? I think MK8 might actually be a better deal now w/ the $12 I paid for those tracks, but SSB is getting to be a bit much.
I'm still waiting for Nintneod to offer those Spaltoon challenges for $5 each, $12 for all 3 sets so I don' thave to spend $35 on 3 amiibo. I don' tthink the $35 squid amiibo price was a big part of that review even though it's mor ethan half th eprice of the game. I htink in th eEU where th egame was $40 the amiibo must have been close to the same price. You don' tneed the amiibo in SPaltoon, but you don't need all the toys in any game. I know, I have a lot of them. But this is what's what now, toys, amiibo, amiibo cards, DLC, season passes, microtransactions.
I'd like to not have to deal w/ any of that, but since it's the new reality I want the review to focus on the game more than the elephant in the room. I don't see the elephant going away anytime soon. Maybe never. Have you sen this horrible thing?
http://smile.amazon.com/Playmation-Marvel-Avengers-Starter-Repulsor/dp/B00UCSS5SE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1444856078&sr=8-1&keywords=avengers+playmation
Not only does Disney have Marvel in Disney Infinity, they are also selling this. I don't see it ever ending. Skylanders may go away, and DI, but Lego will never stop.
@zool
Lol, "to protect gaming in general?"
@Guybrush20X6 Try bricklink.com.
Bring back Lego Universe!!! I loved that game until it was shut down. Although it was shut down cause people were building giant swastikas and 'male anatomy'.
@rjejr Until amiibo were released, I had no interest in the toys-to-life genre at all and could easily pass on Skylanders and Infinity. Now, I have a few amiibo, either because I really like the character or, more likely, because it unlocks stuff in-game. It's the Lego Dimensions that has me in a quandry though. My head knows this is a pretty shameless corporate strategy to extract more coin from consumers. However, Undercover was so good that I feel that this deserves a chance and I really want it to be as good an experience. Is it good value? No. Will I be persuaded to get it all anyway? Not sure. Not yet, anyway.
You're right about this is the way gaming is going. I was thinking the other day that £40 was about the cost of a game when we had a SNES, so in real terms, I suppose games have come down in price. Then there are spiralling production costs for blockbuster games, presumably because of the need for more complex technology and cinematic effects. I read that the costs for some games are comparable to Hollywood movies. I wonder if that is part of the reason for the pricing set-up of the new avalanche of toys-to-life games. Gimmicks and fads aren't new, of course. Innovation is what drives the industry and some kind of hook to get us to part with cash is necessary, perhaps, in some respects. It seems to be massively successful at the moment. I'm still torn though. I don't really feel the game (Dimensions) really needs the toys, as switching characters has always been a feature of Lego games. The player does have to move the toys on the portal to solve some puzzles, but I found that a bit irritating and would have preferred an alternative implementation.
As far as the reviews are concerned, the unwary really need to have some warning and the price plays a part in reviews of other genres of game too, often with an indication of the value for money given by the reviewer. The price definitely affects my purchase decisions. When a player cannot access part of a game without buying something extra, then that is a comment on gameplay in itself. However, I do concede that it is good to hear about the gameplay with the extra sets etc, because the more information is given, the easier it is for a consumer to make a decision about whether the extra cost involved will be worth it for them personally.
I've never heard of the Playmation toys before. Again, another way to play made possible by new technology, but also a cost burden for the consumer. Technology is able to expand and improve so quickly now that it's good to see some experimentation, but there are sure to be things that are trendy now, that won't stand the test of time. Once the market is saturated or has moved to the next new thing, the appeal is near to zero. In gaming, it's the gameplay that is most important and consumers are fickle. Kids can be like cats - you can buy them all sorts of expensive stuff and then they actually play with the box in which it was packaged. Toys-to-life are at the beginning of their trend, but their longevity will necessarily rely on being good value down the line. Interminable extra costs for everything ain't gonna cut it, imho, not that I really know anything.
OMG! sorry for the essay!
I (or my sister) will get it sometime.
@Dogorilla i to believe there choices were...Terrible.I mean, go with some of your older and bigger brands like starwars,and harry potter.Hell,even bionicle would be better than wizard of oz.I mean,Who the heck wanted lego wizard of oz?
@TripleGamer3K
Problem is that Star Wars and Harry Potter aren't LEGO's brands. They wouldn't have had a snowball's chance in hell of having SW or Marvel due to Disney Infinity. Oz may not have been on my list at all, but with Portal 2, Doctor Who, Midway Arcade, DC, LotR, Ghostbuster (seriously the Marshmallow man looks awesome) and Back to the Future, we have some good choices of IPs to chose from.
@Sakura It's fine, you had a lot to say and it was a good read. Refreshing even.
For some reason I just don't feel like the toys to life are a fad. Are you familiar with Sony? Wonderbook, Move, 3DS display - fad, fad, fad. I think VR will be a fad as well. We'll in gaming, it has plenty of real world applications with high end level PCs, but not 6 hour marathons of COD. Toys have been around forever. Legos, Lincoln Logs, Playdoh, yo-yo. Sure some toys are more fads than others, but there are always toys. Well unless we start raising kids in test tubes until they are adults. Portals may go away - NFC in the Game pad is likely the future - but people like things, collecting things. Lego D and its $700 are nuts, but how many amino unlock skins in Super Mario Maker? 50? That's $650. Boom there it is. Some where between useless amino skins and locked world's is a happy medium, the industry just needs to find it. And in the future, all 40 bazillion Pokémon cards that my kids own will have a chip in them. Maybe baseball cards too. Not toys, but a paywall. Does FIFA have cards?
@TripleGamer3K Wizard of Oz? Flamboyant hipster androgenus males who like showtunes? People who like Glee? Fans of Neil Patrick Harris and Ellen? All those people who are buying up everything with Disney'so Princesses all over them? Fans of Frozen?
I thought Oz was a really weird choice myself, but with Disney owning the Princesses and Frozen it might have been what they could get. Did you see the Lego Movie? The Unicorn really wants to be Hello Kitty. So the more I think about Oz, the more sense it makes. Scooby-Doo I still don't get, and that was my favorite cartoon as a kid, even named my dog Scooby, but I'm not sure how it fits in this game. The Wizard of Oz is iconic.
@nessisonett They already have started it, Lego Worlds on Steam right @DarthNocturnal My kid can't wait for online multiplayer, may even cut into his Mine craft time.
@rjejr
I'm guessing they put Scooby Doo in because it's a fresh IP they've obtained for regular sets, they could have negotiated the inclusion into LD at the same time.
@Kaze_Memaryu "an absolute nightmare for paranoid completionists"
You mean like all the people on here trying to complete the SSB amiibo set? 50 amiibo x $13 = $650. Or unlock all the skins in SMM.
It does suck that so much of this game is locked away, but I don't think you should need all $700 worth of toys to complete it. Well I suppose to 100% it you might, but not to open the worlds. My kid pointed out to me in Target there were 4 Lord of the Rings sets. You probably only need 1 to open the world, the rest just unplayable characters which you probably don't really need to play, like you don't need skins in SMM. I don't know if anyone has done the math cost just to open the place up, but probably closer to $400 then $700, maybe less, maybe more, but I think it's comparable to DI and Skylanders, and they probably know thst.
I'm really only getting this for the Doctor Who levels.
@RCMADIAX
Would you be able to link me that story please? I'd love to read it, it's something I should do, but I love LEGO too much to leave it unbuilt.
@RCMADIAX
Cheers
@RCMADIAX Most opinions are personal and I am sure that if one game flops its not the end of Tt games.
It started with Skylanders then Disney, Amiibo and now Lego. All cashing in on the collecting addiction of children. Nintendo has gone overboard with their Amiibos this year and I think this is detrimental to gaming in general.
It seem, by your comments, that you have completed Dimensions and you are not just repeating what you have read, so your opinion is valuable to those of us who have not played the game. Lego Cities main mission was quite short and it is the collecting of the 240 bricks that added value to the game.
You said that the main Lego Dimensions mission can be completed without add ons. Is the game worth the £89 asking price for someone who wants to play the game but has no interest in building Lego toys and cannot achieve 100% without spending more money?
@zool
"Is the game worth the £89 asking price for someone who wants to play the game but has no interest in building Lego toys"
I think that person should be questioning whether they actually want to be playing LEGO games if they aren't interested in building anything out of LEGO.
@shaneoh The difference is that Skylanders allows you to access a much bigger portion of the game with just a starter pack. While those games essentially have pay walls as well, they only cardon off relatively small areas of each level rather than entire worlds. Plus, you only need one Skylander figure of each element and/or terrain type to access everything rather than picking up every single franchise pack in LD. As for the figures themselves, they work just as well as physical toys as Lego figures do. Personally, I think a mostly solid figure works better as an action figure than something contructed from many tiny pieces.
Anyway, sorry, but if I'm going to invest in a toys to life game, it's going to be Skylanders. It sounds like those games have better campaigns and better value, plus I don't want to waste my time building everything before I can play.
@rjejr The big difference is that amiibo collectors are often fully aware of the costs behind wanting every Smash amiibo, or every amiibo in general. Besides, amiibo are, so far, never mandatory for achieving 100% in any WiiU or 3DS game (unless you count the amiibo-exclusive Spinner weapon for Hyrule Warriors).
LEGO Dimensions, however, locks a baffling amount of content behind their physical sets with hardly any logical reason, which is a low blow for any gamer who likes this game (before, characters in LEGO sets were divided into a handful of ability categories, now every single character has its own ability, even when it's the exact same thing another character can do).
Also, getting reskins in SMM never requires amiibo at all, the Mario Challenges gradually unlock new ones as you make it through them. Tough to do, but by far not impossible (or forcefully expensive).
@BulbasaurusRex
Skylanders appears to have 8 elements, looking at the pricing for them, the LEGO character packs are only marginally more expensive than Skylanders. It also isn't a huge amount that is inaccessible, a bare few narrative levels and some hub levels as well as some minikits and gold bricks. In order to 100% LD, I figure a person needs about 13 additional sets to cover all the side levels and have all abilities, overall it's not a huge price difference. As for functionality as a toy, sure Skylanders work better as action figures, but LEGO works best as a construction toy, and as long as it is taken care of, it holds its value.
Bought it. Pleased...
@shaneoh really? Gamers who play 'shooting' games don't necessarily want to kill people. And those who play Mario games dont, in real life rescue Princesses.
I'm really getting fed up of toys to life. Went in Tesco the other day and a lot of the space where games are is filled up with Skylanders and Disney Infinity toys. Please I want it to stop. Will spend my money on a better game instead and save money.
I have so many amiibo (over 40 now and I only ever intended to buy two, and I have over 60 of the AC cards) that getting into another franchise honestly scares me. I keep hearing how good DI 3.0 and LEGO Dimensions is but I just freak out. I spend too much on amiibos as it is.
I wish Nintendo would put out a game where we could just use the amiibos that are out now to unlock content like these other three have. And all future amiibo are compatible with updates or something. I know they could do it. At least do it at the end of the console's life.
Maybe if I had kids I could justify another toys to life franchise in my life or two, but then again I hear kids are super expensive so maybe not?
Either way the future kids I hopefully have are gonna be born into a house with a killer video game collection. With my luck they won't like games at all.
@rjejr I fear you may be right, but I am hoping for a levelling off of the toys-to-life genre where it becomes much better value for consumers. Lego Dimensions seems to have the most content locked away - £30 to play one level is too much. I did see the extra Skylanders sets for around the same price for whatever the last version was, so I guess in that sense the pricing is similar. But, there were only 2 of those sets in Skylanders (with others from previous games) and we are promised many more for Dimensions with the cheapest sets available being at just under twice the price of a single Skylanders figure. There will always be something extra - dlc, season pass, figures, cards, codes, exclusive content, pre-order bonuses. Is it worth it? Sometimes it might be, but other times not. I'm hoping it will be the market that determines the cost, but at the moment it's looking a bit harsh for consumers. I'm not at all surprised by the NFC cheat devices available for amiibo and Skylanders and expecting to see something for Infinity and Dimensions.
I don't know about FIFA. They seem happy to just tweak the game a bit and produce a new version of pretty much the same thing every year. Seems to be a successful game franchise. There are loads of sticker books and card options that are independent of the games. I really enjoyed Nintendo Pocket Football Club on the 3DS and got to number 6 rank in the UK. That was more about strategy though. The FIFA games don't appeal and just as well since they aren't on WiiU.
Here's to happy value-for-money gaming!
@shaneoh It's not that I don't like building Lego sets, it's just that I wouldn't know what to do with them when finished. I'm quite practical and I like things I buy to be useful. I do like Lego, calling it a toy isn't meant to be denigrating. However, I am used to playing the Lego games at a cost of about £30-£40 each. Suddenly, Dimensions wants me to spend way more for not much more content. I would prefer to have an option to get just the game content and not bother with the toys because it would make the game cheaper for me.
I'm usually against these toy to life games. I've seen too many times that kids really get bored of them quickly or that it's so costly for what you actually get. This game is a money pit, and that is for sure. The price for just the character packs seem about $2 higher than competition with providing a smaller toy. However, I think you get a little more content than with Aiimbos and being able to cross transfer the packs with others worlds is cool. I do get all the complaints about this game, and I understand why people feel frustrated with the price point.
However, I think I will end up picking this game up. Why? I think Lego has really hit home with the nostalgic and I think that's why they chose the characters they did. I mean my wife loves Wizard of Oz and it has been a really really long time since any game has been released for this franchise. That already peaked our interest. Then Back to the Future, I'm a big fan of the series and I like that you can actually experience the world and drive a mini Delorean. I can't recall any other games that let you do that. I am also a huge fan of Ghostbusters. While I have played Ghostbuster games I do like the idea of driving the Ecto 1. Also really huge Simpsons fan, so that seems like just another fun area for me. Portal is a great game, and so crazy to see that in Lego form. Also, like the cell shading of Scooby world and driving around the mystery machine. I don't see myself getting all the packs, because some I don't care for or cause I also have other Lego games, so I don't feel I need to get Lord of the Rings, Jurassic Park, or the DC packs.
Another reason I will probably invest in this is due to the let down of Nintendo Wii U titles. There is no big name titles coming out for the holidays for Nintendo. Was thinking about Starfox but that has been pushed back, much like half the upcoming catalog for the WIi U. So it gives me something to play and get into for the holidays with my family.
So I get the complaints, but what I was going to spend on Nintendo titles I have no chosen to spend on this area. Which is also a better way for my family to play a game together for the next couple years at least (depending if they actually keep releasing packs for this version). So I think part of it is what your into, so this just seems to appeal to my family and me more than others.
@RCMADIAX Interesting.
I have a Lego Rock Raider complete in box, never opened that i bought 10 years ago, with the intent of perhaps selling it in a future, but I haven't seen its price rise much.
Is it because of the rock raider franchise, and not popular ones?
@zool
Are you really comparing psychosis and fantasy to putting a toy together? It's the gameplay design and the LEGO brand that make these games work, it wouldn't work if the brand was, say, Action Man while the gameplay stayed the same. I'd say that more than 90% of people who have played a LEGO game, have played with a LEGO set. It tugs at all those memories.
@Sakura
That's completely understandable, I'm happy to let them sit around as models, but I understand that it won't suit most people's choice of environment design. I also get the reluctance to spend a lot of money on a game, it's a lot to commit.
90% ? Proof needed.
@zool
Really? That's what you choose to latch on to? I'm not passing that number off as a fact, it's a somewhat educated guess based on the increasing global presence of LEGO over the past 50 years. I'd say LEGO is nearly as recognisable as McDonalds.
@shaneoh educated guess? Just because Lego is recognisable does not mean that 90% of people play with the toy. Any more than 90% of the population eat MacDonald burgers.
@zool
Try reading what I wrote, I estimated that 90% of people who have played a LEGO game have played with LEGO Bricks. 90% of the entire world's population is just ridiculous.
@shaneoh That's still a lot more than is blocked off in a Skylanders game.
As for the price to 100% the game, 5 extra packs (plus any future packs added as DLC) in addition to the little extra you pay for the 8 others adds up to quite a bundle of extra money.
Like I said, I don't care about constructing the toys. I'd rather play with them, so Skylanders is the better option for me. It depends on what each costumer prefers as to which physical toy is better.
@BulbasaurusRex
Yeah for an Australian it's probably an extra $150 for all the necessary sets to complete LD, and its a lot of money when you think about it like that, but Skylanders, DI, Amiibo, LD are all, in the long run, quite a money sink if you are planning on buying more than a couple of characters/packs. I agree, the choice is up to the taste of the user
One thing to consider about the price of LD, they do not own the majority of the IP being used. Disney owns Star Wars, Aladdin, Frozen etc. and Skylanders is its own IP, whereas LD only has Ninjago, Chima and LEGO Movie. They will have to shell out money to BBC, WB, Valve, Midway and a few more companies to use their IPs.
Just noone think I'm trying to justify to myself my purchase of LD, there are no regrets from me. I certainly don't regret saving $177 by getting each pack price matched.
Edit: Although I might regret not buying more than one Marshmallow Man, he is soooo adorable.
What's sad about this is that if only this was a traditional Lego game with just-as-expensive DLC, I would have taken the bait with a smile on my face. However, well, toys-to-life, so no.
@shaneoh Kids play with Lego bricks, they grow up and may play Lego video games, but to assume that 90% of those people still play or want to play with toys is just an assumption on your part.
But regardless of that, this type of game is already altering the way companies like Nintendo make games. Amiibos are a major part of the game design, this will leave gamers unable to complete a game unless they spend at lease another 25% of the game price on a code, which is built into a toy.
Spending £89 on a video game and a bag of bricks may be good value if the person enjoys that sort of thing, but that means instead of buying two video games for the £89 only one will be sold. OK Lego get double the profit, good for them but less games sold will mean less games are made...... the loser is the gamer.
One other point, the trade in value of these type of games will be low, unless the person / store trading it counts all the bricks first, to make sure they are all there.
Videos and video games has vastly reduced the sale of music CDs/downloads, because people have more of a choice when it comes to spending their hard earned money. This is now happening to video games with the rise of smartphones. Add a few toys and double the price of a video game means less video games. Less video games will mean one of the three consoles will go, Xbox, playstation or Wii u (NX). And the one most likely to fall is Nintendo. And all because of a bag of bricks.
@zool
It's a reasonable course of logic to take, the average gamer age is about 30 years old, 25 years ago LEGO was a reasonably popular toy, and, since then, has only increased in availability and popularity (the fact that LEGO has been going more than 50 years is evidence that it isn't a fad product). The way the LEGO games are designed, those gamers who have played some of the games are likely to have their interest in purchasing a LEGO set increased. It does this by stimulating nostalgia, they see the minifigs constructing something and it brings back memories. Then it piques their interest further, because they either realise the LEGO system has evolved new pieces and ways to build things or they see something built in a way they never thought to try when they were younger. I'm not saying they WILL go out and buy a LEGO set, just that the interest in building one is part of the experience of a LEGO game, without it, the game is significantly diminished.
It's incredibly naive to think that adults don't play with LEGO too. Whether they get it for themselves, or if they're interacting with children (whether it's their own, a relative's, or a friend's), it's still playing with it. You might want to look at all the stuff adults have made online sometime, some of it is phenomenal in design.
I don't see how less games are going to be made, we've still got another LEGO game coming in January as well as plenty of other games from other companies. Toys to life have been going on for years already, and I do not see how it has cut into the market. If LEGO was going to push Nintendo out of the console market, then the NES would never have been made. LEGO has been making LEGO sets longer than Nintendo has been making consoles, they're two different markets that do not frequently intersect. Let us not forget that Ninty has been making Amiibo, and they've been doing quite nicely out of it too. LEGO Dimensions is to video games as Mario K'Nex is to construction toys.
The trade value of the game will be low, sure, but it's the same with most games. However as long as the minifigures and their respective vehicles are kept complete and in good condition, then they will hold their value. I've no doubt that the licensed sets will be worth more than was paid for them ten years after their discontinuation.
@shaneoh I would think the average age is much higher. I've been playing games since the Amiga days and most reviewers are well over thirty.
If adults play with Lego toys, then I am suprised. OK one or two have never grown up and parents play with their children, but an adult buying Dimensions to sit and play on their own in single player mode while building bricks. Maybe it's me and there are adults who play with these bricks.
The thing for us to bear in mind is that Nintendo and the other games companies first priority is not to make good games, its to make a good profit. Good games should make a good profit but so do these toys.
Take Splatoon, an on line game with Amiibos and a very short single player mode. Most reviews said the single player mode was very good but very short and not worth the money as a single player game. Had Nintendo put less effort into the Amiibo side of that game and more into the single player mode, more copies would have been sold.
That's just one example of how the toy Amiibos comprised the game. Real gamers lost out while the toy fans were jumping up and down because they had another figure for their collection. Let's hope this is not the future of gaming.
@Sakura I read your reply to shanehoh and it would be nice if the DLC was available w/o the toys. Nintneod REALLY REALLY REALLY should have offered those extra in Spaltoon since the 3 squid amiibo are almost impossible to find in stores. $5 each, $14 for the set of 3, or something. Spaltoon is the 1 game where they really did lock stuff away, missions and gear. And they locked that away behind hard to find amiibo.
I do wonder how much of the Lego stuff is priced as Lego toys. Meaning will a lot of those sets - since they are all licensed - sell to people who aren't even playing the game, like amiibo. I know Dr. Who anything will sell.
I wonder if Lego is treating Dimensions as a side game to the price of the toys. Go down the Lego aisle of any retailer, tons of really expensive Lego toys - Ninjago, Marvel, DC, Star Wars. Lego Dimensions should be a free CD you get when you purchase $100 of Lego toys. So it isn't you are buying the game and then need to buy the toys to unlock 100% of the game, it's that you buy the toys and then whatever toys you buy you get to play with. Its not about the game as a whole, it's about playing w/ whatever toys you buy on a screen. But that portal is worth some $, and they have to pay Nitneod, Sony and MS, soth eportal pack is expensive, not free. Maybe Lego D 2.0 will be free? I got Disney INfinity free on Wii U, adn DI 3.0 fo r$19.99. And I am never goig to buy every DI toy, just the ones I want to play with. It's not about 100% the game, just playing w/ my toys on tv.
That really doesn't help people who just want to play Lego The Movie The Game though, like the dozen or so games before this one. But the Lego toys will sell. And so will the game. Hopefully people have fun w/ what they have and dont' go all OCD on themselves.
Of course I'm one of the few people who really doesn't care that Wii U doesn't have trophies or achievements. I don't play games for bragging rights accomplishments, I play for fun. I have to 100% pay my bills and fill out my tax forms, that's enough stress.
@shaneoh "they put Scooby Doo in because it's a fresh IP they've obtained for regular sets"
Yeah, I saw those sets on the store shelves recently, makes perfect sense, thanks for that.
@rjejr Yes, the Splatoon locked content didn't get missed by my eye either and I agree it really should either have been included in the base game or available as DLC. The Shovel Knight amiibo will have some locked content too, but the overall cost is still reasonable. I can't make my mind up about Dimensions. If I wait I can probably get some deals. Don't want to pay a premium for things that sell out though. Plus, not sure if I really want to encourage the trend. Do I want to be paying £300+ per game in the future? Seems outrageously expensive. Not all games would go that way, but it might be a problem if many do. I do like to 100 % games. Not really sure why, but think it's something about incompleteness that nags at me so I generally finish what I've started. Lego game challenges are usually fun. Knowing that I can't play 8 of the areas in the game without paying £30 for each pack feels like too much left out. So, really want to play it, but it's too expensive for what it is. and, as I've got a massive backlog, might as well wait to see whether prices drop.
On a side note, I do think Nintendo is trolling people with the Streetpass accomplishments. The first wave were okay, but still amibitious in terms of hits. The 999,999 needed now is just ridiculous and getting all A+ plus fish in the fishing game is also not happening (though that doesn't have a plaza accomplishment). I hope that the new Club Nintendo incorporates an accomplishment system that is actually achievable, if the rumours are true that it will have one at all.
@Sakura Well don't let me talk you into it, it is certainly overpriced for a vidceogame, and I wouldn't be geting it either if not for my 2 kids who are into both Legos and playing videogames with each other. They started Yoshi today. And I'll only get the base game for $50 and the packs about half price. And my mom, father-in-law and sisters will gt the kids the rest as holiday gifts. I'm getting the XCX collectors edition as my gift from my wife, so I'm done. She hasn't told me what she wants yet - her birthday is in Nov so that gift comes first.
@rjejr I finally found a list of all the character abilities needed for the challenges to 100% Lego Dimensions. Obviously there are the six level packs and the two team packs of Scooby Doo and Jurassic World = £240. Then you will also need 6 of the fun packs = £90. So with the base pack, that's about £400 to complete the game. When I look at it like that, I think "no way" and dream about how much happier I would have been if the game had been available without toys for £40-50. I think I'll have to miss most of this unless prices drop dramitcally, I can get it second hand or someone develops a cheat device. Wouldn't normally go for the latter option, but I have already paid £80 for the base game. If I can't just play the game, then I'll sell it on. I can get Lego Jurassic World for under £30 and Lego: The Movie for under £25. 8-10 games in place of this one seems a much better proposition. And there's possibly the NX to start saving for too.
@Sakura Yeah, if you want to complete the game but don't want the toys, there's no way to get your money's worth. Even just playing the game w/o wanting the toys seems like a losing proposition. But Lego is huge as a toy, so the game will still sell. And the toys. I think there are more kids in the world who want Lego toys than gamers who don't want toys.
@ThomasBW84
TW, sorry to bother you but I have a dilemma. After reading your Lego DImensions review on the Wii U version I decided to hold off until next year when we get a PS4 to get that version instead. But w/ the game now selling for $60 rather than $100 I'm thinking it might look good under the Christmas tree. And my kid got the Dr. Who level pack for Hanukkah. So is the PS4 version that much better? Have you played it on PS4 or X1 to compare? My kids will almost always play this 2 player so the Gamepad non-split-screen is a nice bonus. But Lego Marvel on Wii U froze every other time they played it. And I'm not exaggerating, it froze every other day. But I read online that the other versions froze too, not just Wii U, even Xbox One.
So what do you think, Wii U 2 screen or PS4 stability? I'm not too worried about graphical enhancements, we've been playing Skyladners Racing on Wii and that thing is ugly, even for a 3DS port. But it never once froze.
@rjejr The Wii U version is steady, but the framerate does drop away when playing in two player; I enjoyed it more in single player. I suspect the PS4 version will be better in two-player, but I haven't played it so can't compare.
@ThomasBW84 OK, thanks. Suppose I could just buy it on Wii U now for $60 and hope PS4 gets a cheaper digital version next year when LD 2.0 comes out, probably a given, like Disney Infinity and Skyladners did.
@rjejr True, as the portal should work across platforms (double check, but I'm sure that'll be the case).
@ThomasBW84 (double check, but I'm sure that'll be the case).
Oh, good point, never even thought of that. That's why I come to you for advice. Will check before ordering. Of course we'll never know what will work w/ NX until they announce it. From collecting Disney Infinity toys I do know Microsoft has issues playing well with others as Xbox360 and I believe even Xbox One portals don't connect to other systems. But I've never and will never own any Xboxen.
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Is there anyone who has mixed feelings about this game? This game has been very buggy for me and I'm no stranger to Lego games.
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