@link3710
From what I've seen there's 'SJWs' who hate the game too. I won't speak for anybody else, just myself. But there's some real character assassination in this game that completely ruins the experience, for me, even with the gameplay which is improved quite a bit over the first TLoU. To be fair, I'm not at the end, so I could still change my mind, but so far, it's disappointing. No where near 'game of the generation' like the shill media claims. But I also wouldn't say it's a 3 or 4 out of 10 like overly attached people claim either. The gameplay mechanics are too good, the world building itself is too strong to give it a such a low score that should only be reserved for games that are almost unplayable due to bugs and/or poor mechanics.
Is anyone here familiar with the Danganronpa series? Is it similar to the Phoenix Wright series? What are the differences? I really liked the Phoenix Wright trilogy so I'm open to trying it out.
@Spanjard Which is weird, because the gameplay is pretty much the same in both games, but obviously expanded in part 2 as you'd expect from a sequel. The story is good in the first, but it's a shame that the gameplay takes a backseat in nearly every conversation about TLOU, because I do think that it's pretty good, and there are a lot of clever things it does. But it the same when talking about The Witcher 3. The combat was terrible. It isn't, it's pretty decent. But since the rest of the game is so good, the combat kinda pales in comparison, up to the point that people start calling it bad. It all depends on your perspective I guess.
@Gamer83 Oh, yeah, I've seen arguments from both sides. I just was hoping to hear that whatever that was, they let Ellie just exist as a gay person without making it the crux of her personality. Which sounds like they did.
@Spanjard It's a lot like Phoenix Wright yeah. But uh... far more darker and less goofy.
@Spanjard The murder investigation and trial gameplay is highly reminiscent of Ace Attorney games (although Danganronpa trials also heavily incorporate the use of mini-games and various mechanics to advance the story, making them a good deal more complex and game-y than AA's simple "point out the contradiction" trial gameplay), as is the weird sense of humor prevalent throughout the series (although Danganronpa leans hard on dark humor versus AA's puns and goofy humor). Think of it as a mix of AA-style trials, Zero Escape's dark subject matter and tone, and Persona's social links (when you spend time with other students trapped in the school, you get to know them better).
I absolutely love both series, and there're two of the best adventure game series out there. Of the two, I'd say I prefer Danganronpa, if only because the series improves from game to game, where Ace Attorney is all over the place in terms of quality.
@Ralizah@Spanjard Another investigative adventure game that's worth a look is 'return of the obra Dinn'. It feels like a giant puzzle you're solving one piece at a time.
@Wargoose That looked really interesting indeed, I have it on my wishlist.
@Ralizah Ic. Interesting. Good to know about the trials, if they are even half as fun as in AA I'm in for a ride.
I have seen only 2 games, are there more? And more importantly, is there an order in which you should play them or are they separate storylines?
Once I saw someone stream one of these games, I think it was the latest, and while it comes with the genre, it did seem to have a whole lot more dialogue than AA, I never got to the gameplay part. There was a big build up which kind of turned me off at first but if the payoff is worth it, that's only for the better I guess.
@Octane Funny thing is, the world of the Witcher and the combat etc always looked interesting to me, but somehow I couldn't stand Geralt face or something but ultimately he became the driving factor for me to continue playing. He is just or can be hilarious.
@Spanjard I would argue that Danganronpa games are more 'game-like' than Ace Attorney, insofar as they have twitch mechanics to master, progression systems to level up, skills to equip, items to collect, etc. Ace Attorney games are very basic gameplay-wise, so I would say, on the whole, it's much easier to reduce those games to 'just reading.'
Also, Danganronpa games have dating sim-esque modes where you can get to know the characters outside of the context of the main game (because, when people die unexpectedly, it can be difficult to get to know everything about the characters you're interested in). The final game even features full-fledged JRPG and board game modes in addition to the traditional dating sim post-game mode.
There are four games to date: three mainline games and one spinoff.
The order to play them in is: Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair Danganronpa Another Episode: Ultra Despair Girls (this is a third-person shooter spinoff, but it takes place in the same world as the previous two games and expands on what you learn in them) Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony
That's the ideal order in which to play these games. Additionally, there is an anime-original sequel to the first three games you can watch, and multiple light novels that help expand on the world building (some of which are included with the first two games in the series as additional post-game content).
The entire series is connected, and, like Ace Attorney, you develop the sense that you're engaging with a larger world over time.
@Ralizah Thanks a lot for all the insights! That's pretty cool.
Lol, looking for the games on Google and watching some pictures come by, I was like ”there is Ralizah!" 😅 Looking back at my earlier comment asking about anyone familiar with the series is hilarious to me now. 😛(I never actually realized your avatar also has these 2 bears in her hair.)
@Spanjard Yeah, the sarcastic writing of Geralt was pretty good.
When I bought TW3 I didn't know much about the game, except that you had to hunt a Griffin early on, so I assumed it was a kind of Monster Hunter (one that I could perhaps get into, without all the grinding and complicated combos). Turned out to be quite a bit different when the actual Witcher monster hunting stuff took a backseat for most of the game. I still enjoyed it thoroughly though.
@Octane That crossed my mind as well, I never knew beforehand about the Griffin but it did make a strong first impression because it was a cool fight. It does say something about the writing of the game that you aren't looking back thinking about where the next Griffin or dragon is, but more wondering what kind of complex political mess am I going to be involved in next.
And good to know the SJW agenda talk is all BS then. So sick of the existence of gay characters being considered political, on both sides.
That's a tiny minority position. I've read about 100 of those negative metacritic reviews. Maybe 3 out of 100 negatives said they had a problem with the mere existence of gay characters.
The other 97% were other issues.
I'm mostly just confused on why anyone would want to play The Last of Us 2 now. "Ah yes, now, in June 2020, I could use some post-apocalypse miseryfest storytelling in my video games, what great timing!" Who are these people?
Like I've never played the Last of Us. I have a copy of the original like a few feet behind me, and I can say with confidence that I'm gonna take my time to get to it. I don't want this now, plz no.
@kkslider5552000
You know, not every gamer play that typical games you mentioned above.
There is always some casual gamers who bought Playstation machines for Casual games or Family friendly games. It doesn't have to be AAA 3rd party / gritty games all the time.
If most peoples bought PS4 just for that typical AAA 3rd games, i bought PS4 for not so popular games but matched with my interest. Something cartoon, something quirky, something not so popular.
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