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How many were from Canada? How much of it was tariffs and how much of it was, oh I don't know, the US making a big deal about deporting people ATM? Come on. Get out of you're bubble
@skywake There are hundreds of thousands yearly. Canada is all you got a hold of now, that's why I stated Mexico first since it's the main one, but the negotiations were similarly done with Canada, and that obviously had an affect on the lowering of illegal crossings, since both Canada and ESPECIALLY Mexico reinforced their border directly due to the initial tariffs. Am I in a bubble for pulling out literal statistics? Just because I am looking at factual information and deciphering what I think of it instead of catering to a political agenda that fits the minds of others doesn't mean I'm in a bubble, but it's quite the opposite.
Congress needs to immediately take action to stop and repeal all tariffs. People should be angry. A billionaire making the middle class and poor people’s standard of living even worse while he and people in his social class will greatly benefit. The billionaires will make big profits by buying stocks during the market crash at low prices and become wealthier after the market recovers. Big businesses will use the tariffs as an excuse to raise prices higher and not lower them back to where prices before even if tariffs are repealed. A billionaire won the election promising to lower prices and instead deliberately raising them. Anyone who thinks the tariffs are a good idea must be really wealthy.
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Again, I would say that the reduction in border crossings in the US has more to do with the fact that the new administration is making a point of deporting people from the US. Specifically making a show of South Americans. I'd imagine if you were in South America and considering going into the US ATM you'd go "nah, stuff that, they're raiding people's houses, throwing them in chains and yeeting them back"
In any case, this is a thread on trade policy and tariffs. I don't see anything the US has materially gained by raising tariffs. There was some performative token policies announced by Mexico and Canada that the US then pointed to when they paused their decision. But now they're back at it again. And they'll probably fold again in other countries because.... it's dumb policy
But meanwhile other countries are sitting around going "do we want to make deals with this country who's willing to behave like this?" And the answer is, increasingly, no. And pushing back against the US is popular. So yeah, I really don't see what the US is achieving here. Best case scenario for everyone is that the US just finds an excuse to walk it back. Again. But every time they do this they weaken their position
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@skywake I see where you're coming from, but we have seen positives come from the tariffs as already mentioned, as well as about $30 billion due to simply doing all of the tariffs they did recently, and already many countries are trying to negotiate with America due to the tariffs as an immediate response.
@Anti-Matter
Unfortunately I doubt Trump cares at all about whether or not people approve what he’s doing. He can’t run for elections anymore so he basically doesn’t have to worry about being voted out. The middle class is hurting and most of us will be hurt financially by the tariffs which is being used to fund the tax cuts that primarily benefits the top 1%.
I think @Anti-Matter is probably on the money somewhat. Not necessarily the action but you have to realise this guy has a massive ego. My prediction would be that his popularity tanks and as a result the US will back down on most of this. They'll frame it as a victory by selectively citing the instances where countries did give the US something (ignoring the net negative result). But they'll fold
I think the correct response from other countries to this is to just do nothing. Wait it out. Look for other outlets for trade. Diversify where possible. There'll be pain as companies have to adjust immediately to rapidly changing risks and cost. But just generally wait it out, because they're going to fold when their BigMacs cost 10% more
With that said.... I don't expect the tariffs on China to budge
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@Anti-Matter People do rights but they don't want to do anything. They can force a recall election, impeach him etc. But instead they just want to cry about how bad he is and expect someone else to do something. To be fair is always the case no matter who's president.
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@PikminMarioKirby Not to be that guy, but are there any data on a longer timeline re: crossings? The trend as you present it is apparent, but it might be more beneficial to look at years of data rather than a few months.
@Tasuki That's true to a point, but our Congress has almost completely ceded responsibility to the executive branch since the 70's or so. The President can virtually do whatever they want. I can't imagine a scenario where Congress goes to Trump and says enough, the partisan gridlock is too strong.
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