Nintendo is starting off the year rather strongly on Switch, with exciting games to keep us busy towards Summer. Despite fierce opposition the Nintendo-distributed game at the top of this scribe's list is Triangle Strategy, which is coming to us thanks to Square Enix and continuing the visual style we first saw in Octopath Traveler. Yes, there are massive Pokémon and Kirby games too, but for fans of strategy games it's hard not to be ever-so-slightly impatient for a title that, to be honest, has a rubbish name.
To clarify, though the look and of course the leadership of Square Enix (especially through producer Tomoya Asano) in the projects are the same, Triangle Strategy and Octopath Traveler have different contributing development studios. With Octopath Traveler it was Acquire, whereas for Triangle Strategy it's Artdink. Both companies have a lot of experience and it makes sense that different teams would specialise in very different genres, but it's a reminder that Triangle Strategy is very much its own game and the link with its HD-2D predecessor is largely limited to the rather handsome graphics engine.
The HD-2D batch of games has started a trend, though, of Square Enix releasing games with very literal names, eschewing the conventional approach to brand building. Or, if you're being generous, the minimalist approach to the game names is the brand. With Octopath Traveler it began life as 'Project Octopath Traveler'; the end result was clunky and literal but was arguably still relatively interesting. Octopath is an unfamiliar way to say 'eight paths' and Traveler gives a sense of adventure. It wasn't our favourite game name, but it had a bit of flow and could theoretically still draw interest from neutral gamers.
When you see a name like Triangle Strategy, do you think it has the potential be a wonderful fantasy story with a modern take on classic isometric strategy? Or does it sound like a weird 99 cent mobile puzzle game?
It's important to remember that the vast majority of gamers and Switch owners don't necessarily spend much time browsing game media, or following the progress of releases for months ahead of release. A lot of people enjoy their games, occasionally see official trailers or game listings for upcoming titles, and perhaps rely on some word of mouth from their social media timelines. And so, when you see a name like Triangle Strategy, do you think it has the potential be a wonderful fantasy story with a modern take on classic isometric strategy? Or does it sound like a weird 99 cent mobile puzzle game? It could go either way, right?
When it began as 'Project Triangle Strategy' we thought "oh well, they'll definitely think of something better this time". They didn't, and as many have pointed in the months since its reveal it is not a good name or brand, making little sense unless you are an enthusiast interested in the strategic approach that's referenced. Unlike Octopath Traveler it doesn't have unfamiliar phrasing or a sense of adventure; Triangle Strategy is a name with little allure.
We understand the market research that could lead to that title, especially in tactics and strategy games. Often when a familiar IP gets a tactics spin-off it has a simple name to reflect that - Gears Tactics and Metal Slug Tactics spring to mind. But that's just unimaginative game names using familiar, popular brands. The 'brand' for Triangle Strategy is that it's from Square Enix and is using the HD-2D engine; how much of that will be missed by more casual, less enthusiastic gamers browsing for a fresh purchase? Most of it, frankly.
It's a little frustrating as this particular type of strategy game, namely with an isometric view and a very steady, deliberate pace, is already quite niche. Yes, there's a loud base of enthusiasts for the genre, but it deserves a high profile mainstream hit. Yet even on a Switch platform with such an active and large fanbase, and with Nintendo leaning in and publishing it, we still fear it's an underdog. It needs all the help it can get, yet its name is effortlessly skippable by anyone unfamiliar with the demo or the project's appeal. Just think, if you're scrolling through social media and see promotion for Triangle Strategy, without having heard of it, would you be remotely tempted to click?
As a small bit of proof of why branding matters, Nintendo of America's YouTube account uploaded a number of videos on 25th January. Some comparisons are below on view numbers at the time of writing, over four days later. It's lagging behind smaller download-only games, one of which is a cinematic trailer without gameplay.
- Triangle Strategy Character & Story Trailer - 100k
- OlliOlli World Cinematic Trailer - 105k
- Aztech Forgotten Gods Release Date Trailer - 158k
The best-performing Triangle Strategy video on Nintendo's channel is the announcement trailer from a Nintendo Direct nearly a year ago, on around 383k. Not bad but, again, modest compared to a lot of retail game trailer uploads on the channel.
The name isn't the only reason that it'll be tough to sell big numbers of what is - ultimately - a genre that struggles for mainstream attention. It can also be argued - when it comes to defending this naming convention - that Octopath Traveler succeeded with a few million sales, which can be considered a solid result.
We can only hope that Triangle Strategy can find a sizeable audience despite its unfortunate name.
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Yea im sure the name sounds better in Japanese.
cannot stand that name. i get it is trying to be a bit different, but ugh
I am actually finding it amusing how stark the contrast is in the naming conventions of your typical Japanese translated game, and a VN from the same country. VNs seem to have some pretty impressive names.
Spirit Hunter, Cupid Parasite, World End Syndrome. You'd think by those names that they'd be action adventure or something.
Nope, it's WORDS!
I don't know why they didn't call it Norzelia after the region the game is based in. Or even Norzelia Tactics if they wanted to include a clue to the genre in the title so badly.
I'm guessing that there's some market research that suggests if they use a bad name liked this more sites and influencers talk about the game and sells more units.
To be fair, most Mario-related games just shove words next to 'Mario' - Party, Kart, World, New.... If you didn't already have the association in your head whenever you hear the word Mario, most of those names would be stupid. Zelda naming conventions are much better though.
Most game names aren’t particularly insightful anyway and the Japanese using English in ways that seem cool to them has been a thing for decades. Most games have the name of the protagonist (banjo & kazoie) or refer to the mcguffin of the game (fire emblem) or to some esoteric idea that doesn’t necessarily come off as intuitive (call of duty does not automatically make me think american war simulator). None of this is new. I can’t think of a single game that has a “good” name. Okami is the closest imo because it’s a pun (god(dess)/title taken by the shinto gods and wolf). If games didn’t have box art, most of them would not be able to convey what the game is about based on title.
Let’s just be excited for the new srpg instead of looking for arbitrary reasons to tear it down.
Gee, Nintendo has so many great franchises! My favorites are Jumpy Plumber, Scared Plumber Holds Vacuum, Kidnap Animals and Dogfight With Them, and Swallow People Whole with Pink Ball.
Let’s be honest, these names are a step up for Japan.
Next Mario should be called
A to B platformer
Yeah, I just hope the game ends up delivering. The demo was quite great, but so was Octopath's then ultimately that one turned out to be bit of a disappointment.
Why did they do that, I wonder...?? I hope too that the crappy name won't affect the sales, because the game looks like it will be fantastic. I can't wait to play it, honestly.
Most JRPG’s are very niche, and have names that don’t mean much to the average non-fan consumer. For example:
Suikoden
Disgaea
Shin Megami Tensei
Vandal Hearts
Xenogears
Chrono Cross
Tales of Beseria
Niche games aiming at a niche audience and being intentionally obtuse.
If you think about it, probably only Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy have names that explain the grand magical story that these games explore, and they have had far more success because of it.
"Wii"
A name is only dumb until you're used to it.
For Octopath Traveler it just made sense, because the project name was seen as funny and the game was already very well known under that name. It would have been almost idiotic not to release it as "Octopath Traveler" at that point.
Triangle Strategy continues the naming scheme and the fact that we are talking about it proves that it works.
No matter how you look at it, this name will likely boost sales through awareness.
Apart from that, I don't know why this name bothers so many people. I neither like nor dislike it, personally.
Octopath Traveler was lightning in a bottle branding, because of the 'Traveler' part, it worked great and told the story of what the game was about. Triangle Strategy was an honestly weak attempt at recreating that feeling. I wish someone would have recognized it wasn't good...
I mean, I'm still going to buy the game, and at the end of the day, the name will be seen as quirky, if nothing else. It's not the end of the world...just a weird thing to settle on.
I've said it before, probably an obnoxious number of times. This is a trash tier name for a video game.
People who defend this title tend to lead with "why is it trash, what do names mean anyway" but I strongly disagree. Names DO mean something. If they didn't, we would all have screen names like "User_1984B12* and "The Other Guy Who Likes Mario".
A good title shouldn't necessarily spoil the whole story, and doesn't have to be the most unique and special title ever, but it should do SOMETHING other than tell you this is a strategy game with a rock-paper-scissors approach.
(Edited because I submitted before I was done writing.)
It sounds a bit like a default name from Game Dev Story.
Game is bound to fail, since it doesn’t contain Doki Doki, Gaiden, Xrd, Shining, Super-Mega, or 1.57b ver in the title.
@JasmineDragon No! I was replying to the OTHER Other Guy That Likes Mario!
Lol, what does it matter. If the game is great, everyone will just associate whatever it's called with a good game. Best videogame character of all time is called Mario.
@JasmineDragon
But that is the thing with marketing.
Few people don't buy something because the name sounds stupid.
Many people don't buy something because they are never really aware of the product.
Whether the name is good or bad, it stands out and from a marketing perspective, that is the most important part.
More like Pyramid Scheme amirite
@Dualmask Agreed, this game is not going to have the same appeal as Octopath, the art style is no longer new and shiny and tactics games are still very niche. Then of course there's the whole name debate. Plus SquareEnix is releasing the title after a busy February and before a packed March, pretty much going to get passed over by the people buying all their other games.
@FishyS Everyone knows Mario.
It’s not a bad name, but it’s not great either. But really, does it actually matter in the grand scheme of things!
Triangle Strategy is fine as a name. It's better than the countless generic one-word Western titles out there, as well as the countless unpronounceable Japanese titles out there.
Stupid-sounding names are on-brand for these HD-2D games and probably help them to stand out.
Name does not matter. U$59 matters
@Kirgo I get what you're saying and there is something to the "just stand out" approach, but does TS actually stand out? We'll probably never have a good answer to this, but I'd be willing to bet that if you presented 100 random gamers with lists of 20 actual video game titles that (somehow) none of them were familiar with, and Triangle Strategy was one of them, and all other things were equal, it would end up being one of the most unpopular picks. It sounds generic, low effort, low budget and skippable. If I saw this on the shelf and didn't already know what this game is, I would 100% skip right past it.
The only defense I can see for this title is that somehow it just sounds much better to someone who knows English but isn't really fluent in it.
(Sorry if I come on a little strong here, I'm actually looking forward to this game - but I think the title is atrocious, and I will die on this hill).
I don't mind the name at all. I've said it before on this topic, but it's just the name of the game at this point for me. Names become greater than their individual words.
But I do wish it was more evocative and I agree that it presents marketing challenges.
This game could have been called Octopath Strategy but then they'd need eight main storylines as opposed to three? Even if Octopath becomes a franchise (I hope it does), I feel like it would be stuck with the "octo." Compared to the "final" in Final Fantasy, "octo" seems more specific to eight of something.
Calling it Triangle Strategy cuts its association with Octopath, which it has in art style. It also limits sequels being associated with it to being "three" or something, surely. Maybe they can pivot the franchise to Square Strategy, Pentagon Strategy and then a few years down the line to Octogon Strategy for the ultimate crossover with Octopath.
NL also called "Truck Driver" a rubbish name, and it's still easily the best game of its genre on Switch. Hundreds of games from the early 1980s to this day are exactly what they say on the tin, and the only thing to be honest about here by now is someone's apparent silly bias.😏
@FishyS @GrailUK Mario and the other legends are probably off limits because one's brain is acclimatized to them - but imagine a field day NL would have with a modern game if it were to title itself "Seismic the Tortoise".
Bravely Default Flying Fairy, Octopath Traveler... Square Enix has just been toying with how bad of a name they can get away with and still have a well-received game ^_^
Don’t see what is wrong with straightforward names like this. Octopath Traveler is literally about eight travelers on their paths, Monster Hunter is literally about hunting monsters, Street Fighter is literally fighting most of the time on a Street, etc yet those games strangely don’t get called out for their names
If there’s one thing needed for success in this world, it’s charm. That title has zero of it. It should be easiest place to install it too. They’ve potentially blown their full sales potential all away. A charmless title that rouses no curiosity.
@Arawn93 If Triangle Strategy was among the very first in its genre, like Monster Hunter and Street Fighter, it’d be another story, but it’s far from it.
@JasmineDragon
I understand what you mean and you could be right.
But the fact that we are talking about it so much suggests the opposite.
More articles and talk about it already increases awareness for people stumbling upon this.
Tons of games have generic names, that is what the word "generic" suggests in the first place, but for some reason it is this one we are discussing and not so much all the others.
And this is not the first time I have seen a discussion about that.
I played the demo and thought the game was great. However, when it was first announced, I saw “project triangle strategy” I thought it was just a developing name and thought it would change. When it didn’t, I was really confused. The game is honestly quite fun, and I’m excited to see the final version. However, this whole name thing distracts from the gameplay. As cool as I think the game is, it’s going to be weird having an icon on my Home Screen just saying triangle strategy.
@NinChocolate That is irrelevant whether it’s the first game or last game of “the genre.” A straightforward name is still a straightforward name for a gameX
Not to mention there are plenty of recent games with straightforward names as well, but Triangle Strategy is still being singled out for whatever reason.
Also a title doesn’t flop because of a title name lol. Plenty of games with stupid straightforward titles end up as successful releases. Marketing is what determines if a game succeeds or not along with if the actual gameplay good.
Now I'm overanalyzing all the dimensions of this. "Street Fighter" or "Monster Hunter" do sound generic but they are evocative and you know what they're about. "Triangle Strategy" conjures a strategy game, but what's the triangle? It could be something but do we immediately know what that is?
On the other hand, it's also too specific. Take a name like "Bravely Default," for example. It invokes absolutely nothing to someone who doesn't know the franchise. It just looks like nonsense. But its complete lack of any reference just becomes its name and it has been successfully made into a franchise. "Triangle Strategy" is still stuck on triangles.
I like the name. It sounds a little off putting, even innuendo-nintendoish. And in the end as long as the gameplay/story is good the name will grow on you...like a fungus.
@Purgatorium It’s not hard. “Triangle strategy”. “Triangle” is commonly referred to as an alternative for “three” due to three sides that the triangle shape has. It sounds better then “Three Strategy” in comparison. It makes sense too because there is three factions/kingdoms in the game. It’s not that different naming sense wise from “Three Houses” that already released which has a near similar premise of being strategy game with three factions.
@Arawn93 ‘Irrelevant’ is too dismissive. Your reasoning isn’t the end of the discussion, but that’s fine.
@NinChocolate No your logic is “too dismissive” assuming the title name is what determines if a game succeeds or not lol. Seen some stupid sounding title names that didn’t have “charm” succeed.
The name is fine. I don’t understand why everyone is making such a big deal of it.
When you really think of it, Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest are odd names too, but those franchises have done just fine.
Let's hope this bad name doesn't warn us of a bad game
@Arawn93 It’s widely accepted as a bad name. You’re doubling down on the defence. Not much to say at this point.
Name Translation from Japan isn't always equal meaning. That's the problem with literal translation the meaning is lost. Some languages take more then one symbol to translate a word. Just take Japanese anime voice verse EN translated voiced over and you can see the immediate disastrously results. This is why I listen to JPN voice with EN text only when there I get the choice.
@NinChocolate It’s also “widely accepted” that games succeed not because “if their title name has charm or not” but if it has proper marketing/gameplay is actually good.
Your the one tripling down insisting that a game title “having zero charm” is what determines if a game succeeds or not which is laughably false when you look at all the dumb sounding names that succeeded. I guess Octopath Traveler was a failure too because how “dumb” that name was. Not much to say at this point indeed.
I always thought that "shin megami tensei" was not an appropiate name for western audiences, it does not tell anything and at first it was hard to remember.
It's pretty clear now that any future successors if this having the term "Project" up front will end up just being the final title. At least Octopath Traveler had a more interesting title for a project name.
You see a triangle has 3 sides, and there are 3 nations in conflict, and it is a strategy game.
No one asks why every Mario title has super in the title despite super meaning divine magnificence while Mario is a schlubby plumber.
The game does not just need a better name, it also needs a face to associate with. I'm very much looking forward to it, but that is because I am not the average Joe. That is not meant in a derogatory manner. The average Joe does not pay the same kind of attention to the medium I and most of us here.
The saying goes to not judge a book by its cover ... that saying exists precisely because that is the base mode of operation most folks operate by. Whether that is ignorance, laziness or a long days work is besides the point.
People tend to buy a) what they know or b) what looks appealing. Forgetable names and no clearly defined product avatar is hardly the way to go.
I don't think its a bad name, especially coming from Square Enix.
@Arawn93
What I mean is that the word "Triangle" in the title both is too specific and too vague. Having watched the trailers and read about the game I know what triangle means in the title, but if I hadn't, it wouldn't make a lot of sense. "Triangle" doesn't conjure up the kingdoms. It's three of something but three of what? Sounds more like a tactic to me than a kingdom or country or whatever.
Maybe it's just me but the name doesn't entice me to find out what it means either. Bravely Default seemed so odd it at least left me wondering what it meant. Whereas Triangle Strategy is decidedly boring.
Three Houses is a way better title because it immediately invokes noble families, but it's not exactly the same, as you put it. Three Houses is a Fire Emblem game and that franchise name carries more weight than the subtitle.
@valharian SMT would not have made it through marketing in at least the early 90’s if not a good decade longer. I suppose with the Internet there’s been a shift away from third party publishing handling rebranding to reach an initial foreign audience.
A name of a game doesn't matter as long its not cringe or vulgar. The name isn't really going to change the final game.
Square Enix's hotly anticipated sequel to hit Triangle Strategy:
Strategy Video Game Where Certain Elements Beat Other Elements Arrows Should Be Shot From High Places And Lance Beats Sword 2
@JasmineDragon I’ve noticed that with some... demographics, bland is “in” these days. So any argument about naming is just spinning your wheels with some lol
I really don’t care about the title, it’s the game that matters. Even if it were called ice cream banquet I would still buy it
Thank you. Too many people are defending the name saying it's just as dumb as octopath. No, it's not. Octopath traveler, while silly, at least has some air of mystery about it to an uninformed consumer... triangle strategy does not.
Honestly I liked the name Octopath Traveler. And I don't mind this too much but they really need to stop using the project codenames. Even Triangular Strategies sounds a bit better imo.
Mario was known as "Jumpman" in Donkey Kong (1981), but unlike Square Enix, Nintendo didn't need four whole decades to develop a knack for naming things.
Just some examples why the name MATTER: cases like Xenoblade or Persona are bound to sell better and appeal to more public than, for example, Ni No Kuni or Shin Megami Tensei, which, honestly, sound very weird and not attractive at all for the masses (mainly because they're in japanese). You really have to get used to them to like them.
Oh, a different studio. I'll keep an eye out, then. Octopath Traveler started strong but ultimately disappointed.
And "Triangle Strategy" is a terrible name. It was cute when they did it with Octopath, but do it twice and it just sounds lazy.
I appreciate the simplicity.
So far we have a Pixel 2d RPG- Octopath, now a Pixel Iso RPG-Triangle Strat, to finish the trilogy it's gotta be a Chrono Trigger/ Secret of Mana style named: Project Action Story?
People also thought Octopath Traveller was a bad name, but I've always unironically loved both titles, they're genuinely memorable and you are quickly given an idea of what you're in for. I dunno, we don't always have to overthink this stuff, ya know?
I am so very excited for this game. I remember watching it's announcement and thinking "I'm glad that's just the working title cuz it sounds ridiculous" and then slapped my forehead when they decided to stick with it.
I never had a problem with Octopath Traveler, but I learned of it long after release and never thought to question it. Also, I beat the final final boss yesterday and only just now learned that if you take the first letters of the eight characters' names you can spell OCTOPATH - which is a nice touch. Though I'm now noticing that "Triangle" also has eight letters...
Maybe people will think it is a tie in game to the movie Triangle from a few years back.
Honestly I don't even think 'Triangle Strategy' is that bad of a name, sure it may SOUND generic at first glance but it conveys what the game is supposed to be; a strategic turn based RPG with 3 kingdoms in conflict.
I think these straight forward names like this and Octopath make them stand more if I'm being honest.
People thought 'Octopath Traveler' was a bad name and that didn't stop it from selling well.
But what about Hitman, or Thief, Runner 3, or so many other titles that we just got used to (or forgot)? Or Untitled Goose Game? Or words that mean nothing, names of characters that tell nothing of what to expect from the game? Rainbow Six Raven Shield? I mean, what DOES that name mean? Is it the sixth entry in a game about hippies, where they explore the mystery of a shield with a raven on from a dream or trip? An insanely hard tactical first person shooter with a focus on realism? Or a superhero game about a team of six in different colours who shield the people against evil ravens? You could argue Vroom in the Nightsky beats many modern games in this aspect. So does Triangle Strategy. Flight Simulator. Tennis. Street Fighter. Some of my favourite games have names I almost feel silly about when saying them out loud.
"It's important to remember that the vast majority of gamers and Switch owners don't necessarily spend much time browsing game media, or following the progress of releases for months ahead of release."
Of course not, who cares about BotW any more, I don't.
They can call it whatever they want, I’m more worried that the strategy battles aren’t fun :/ Which is a shame because the rest looks really good. Why did it have to be a strategy game? Why not action adventure or at least RPG?
Yes it's a bad name, but it's also a funny name.
I don't really have a point, just wanted to say Triangle Strategy is a funny name.
The name makes it sound like a generic strategy game. That wouldn't matter that much if there's lots of promotion for it, but so far I've not heard too much about Triangle Strategy.
Can we just stop talking about the name, it’s been discussed ad nauseum . It’s not unique or clever, just get on with it already because wits not going to change.
Don't really know why people defend the name so much. It is not only that the name itself is really bland, but just putting together two boring words like triangle and strategy is just a hassle to say. Furthermore this is already the second game with that weird naming convention and nobody enjoyed the first name as well, the fact that this is already their second game where these discussions are being made should already make you think
@Gwynbleidd honestly I thought about adding in parenthesis “in Japanese” also refers to phonetics as well because I knew someone would say this but oh well.
And yea, it actually does sound better phonetically in an Japanese accent with more syllables then the way it sounds with an English accent. That’s usually the reason why they pick these what we call “odd” names. It just sounds cooler when they say it.
@NintendoWife we have enough action adventure games and if you want that, ff origins is right around the corner.
A few new strategy games this year will be a nice change of pace and I can’t wait.
My guess is that it is an attempt by square enix to appeal to an even broader audience which includes those who can't speak English. Triangle Strategy reduces any chance for confusion, thereby decreasing any chance someone might feel offended for not understanding a title with a different name.
To name it Final Fantasy Tactics 2, or to continue too much with the Final Fantasy name might beckon to the thought that square enix is too Japanese - thereby making people who aren't inclined to contribute to Japan to not purchase this game, thereby decreasing the potential sales for this product and square enix ultimately.
Triangle Strategy is still better than Bravely Default: Flying Fairy.
@Gwynbleidd possibly but another possibility, from what people have told me directly is that English words just sound cool to them. It’s weird because I also think English words sound cooler when they say it too 😭
I love it! I hope the next one is called something like Quartet Teamwork or Rhombus Configuration or Circular Journey or Tetra Purpose.
I'm kind of tired of any conversation about this game being dominated by people complaining about the title. Yes, it sounds weird. That was established forever ago. Now how about looking at how fun the combat looks and how interesting the plot seems? It's sad to see that the title seems to be the only thing people are talking about with this game.
Yeah it sounds generic af.
The name is dumb.
But this is sort of Square’s MO at this point. Really stupid names.
Like Strangers of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origins. Or the crazy sub titles thrown at the Kingdom Hearts series.
waiting for when they put out "A Game Where You Walk Around And Kill Stuff - Level Up - Grind Loot Edition"
Personally I could not care less about the title name. It has never ocurred to me that it is important at all for the success of a game? I guess that in these days where every little detail is analyzed to the max, things like these come more often than before, but in all honesty this game is already tailored for a specific audience that enjoys SRPG. I doubt a "cooler" name would ever change that.
Even if they come across as boring in English, names like "Triangle Strategy" are foreign in Japanese, and they're effectively naming things in a foreign (to Japan) language, obviously without knowing how they sound to native speakers.
If it had been called 'Sankaku no Senryaku' (even as the English name, for argument's sake), then it probably wouldn't be called boring by English speakers, but might be by Japanese ones.
Naming something in a foreign language is inherently trickier, but they're Square Enix, who keep making popular games with two-word English titles, so surely they must know what they're doing, right? /s
As for the meaning of the "Triangle", I don't know if it was explicitly stated, but I think it was at least implied to be the three-choice system - Utility, Morality, and Liberty. In Japanese, the choice is "Benefit, Moral, Freedom" - which are again English words, but rejected for the English localisation and replaced with more impressive ones.
When this is what pulls up in a search...
It's time to rethink your naming conventions
That said, Octopath Traveler sold over 2m copies, and that was a niche game, and enthusiasts are usually the ones who buy niche games. Hopefully those same 2m ppl know about Triangle Strategy and will be supporting it.
Not sure if mentioned above…but each letter in “Octopath” Traveler stands for a protagonist’s name.
O - Olberic
C - Cyrus
T - Therion
O - Ophilia
P - Primrose
A - Alfyn
T - Tressa
H - H’annit
Also, the word traveler is 8 characters long.
@JakedaArbok @JakedaArbok
Let’s not forget
Lad in a green tunic oversleeps
Flexible lady kills a dinosaur then saves an animal
Green dinosaur babysits Italian plumber infant
Porcelain child gambles life away
Knight without any filling
Police fight off an alien invasion by playing Pokémon
And of course
Arms
Yeah, it's not a great choice of name. It kind of just makes it sound like a cheap Fire Emblem knockoff, like if there were some Steam game for two dollars that were ripping off FE that's pretty much what I'd expect it to be called.
@valharian “New Reincarnation of the Goddess” wouldn’t have worked either as for one the Reincarnation of the goddess part (megami tensei) ties more to the first two games (the two protags fighting lucifer are reincarnations of Izanami and Izanagi. So it’s kinda sorta a Shinto beats down Christianty story and in the second one you are trying to revive Izanami -again the goddess- and kill the christian god who is the big bad all along and a tyrant. None of that would have flown in the west. ) than The “Shin”rebrand with III/Nocturne. Also the series uses SMT as an umbrella to tie the numerous spinoffs and sequels (digital devil saga, devil kids, persona, the bible games and others) together and we all know western religious fundamentals would have lost it if they saw the New Reincarnation of The Goddess on store shelves. The series has a murky enough localization history as is. Yet the title is fairly on the nose as the protag usually takes on the power of a divine being. Those in the know, know and those that don’t ignore it.
Not to mention the name refers to the book series it stems from.
Naming it only TRIANGLE would've been a lot better than adding the STRATEGY to the mix.
Can you only play as a triangle, or are other polygons available?
@Strictlystyles Hmm. I could say the same. Advance Wars, Fire Emblem, Rabbids&Mario… quite a lot of big names for a niche genre. I don’t enjoy strategy / tactics games, wish I did
¯(ツ)/¯ And I don’t know how we’ve had “enough action adventure games” - FF Origin is not coming on Switch, is it? Show me something as high-profile and good looking as Triangle Strategy, with a Zelda type of gameplay.
Some more bad names:
Final Fantasy
Mega Man
Super Mario
All franchises that were clearly hurt by their bad naming. Absolutely shocking article, Tom.
The name won't matter. People who love these kinds of game already know they are getting it, and people who don't know about this genre won't be persuaded by this game regardless of title.
Lately Square Enix have been releasing quite a few esoteric titles and I applaud them for doing so. You can't tell me they are expecting huge sales from games like that card game or Dungeon Explorers, but hey... it's great that they are catering to more than just the larger mainstream games' audiences.
The host of a Nintendo podcast I listen to recommend the title scales of conviction. Much better name and ties into the story better and just a cooler title than triangle strategy.
It’s their brand. Bravely Default, Octopath Traveller, Various Daylife, Triangle Strategy… it’s consistent and easily recognizable by those who played their games.
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Excellent job, good sir… I have been soundly beaten.
Completely agree, don't like the name at all.
When I took the survey I made a couple suggestions but the big one I said was "please do NOT name it Triangle Strategy" and ask that they think of a name with more meaning. I knew they would use it as the name.
I'm honestly confused why FFT wasn't used for the name. Sure the Advance series of games were set in Ivalice using the Isekai (at least on GBA) approach, but this just seems reckless. Final Fantasy has always taken place on different worlds that are separate from each other in just about every way. From FF2's world and combat to FFXV, it just seems silly that the first time it makes sense to call something Final Fantasy, Square Enix doesn't do it. FFT need a proper sequel. This really could have been it.
Guess Square didn't want to tie a major franchise to Nintendo, guessing this was Nintendo supported.
To be fair its kinda squares thing. Final Fantasy began basically as the same named because it was thought as there final fantasy game
I'm pretty sure Square gets their titles from an AI title generator that consumes all the least-used words from the dictionary.
First of all, Square Enix already has an umbrella brand for these games: HD2D Series. It was mentioned in Triangle Strategy's announcement trailer, and I believe will be used alongside DQIII's HD2D remake as well.
Second of all, does no one remember that we all complained endlessly about Octopath Traveler? Contrary to success bias skewing our perspectives, the word Traveler is just as obtuse as Strategy. Is Traveler an RPG or an action adventure genre? Is it a 3D adventure or 2D JRPG with pixel art? The latter does not seem as obvious in this day and age. Octopath is in fact an even weirder name than Triangle, and no it is not unique in a positive way, at least not before the game became successful.
As others have emphasized, the name itself does not make the difference. Marketing always wins. Octopath Traveler was actually marketed by both Nintendo and Square Enix, to the point that I saw ads for it quite a lot on the internet. Kirby as a name means nothing until you see the marketing behind it.
Which is why Nintendo actually will have to invest heavily in marketing to make Kirby as relatively successful as its other AAA releases.
What Triangle Strategy needs is enough marketing, along with positive word of mouth. The word Strategy already illustrates what kind of general game it will be: a strategy game. The marketing just needs to hit home what it basically is: HD2D FFTactics.
Eh, I like the name. I think it's actually becomes less generic than what... "Norzelia Chronicles"? "Fantasy Tactics"?
It's awkwardness makes it stand out, and to me it makes me think of a gameplay first conception, and I'm hoping that bears out.
Unless you've got the Tactics Ogre/FFT writers on board, SPOILER ALERT: the good guys are going to hit the bad guys until they stop doing bad things. Not here for the story.
its an amazing name precisly because of how stupid it is
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