
In a recent episode of their podcast, former Nintendo of America staffers Kit Ellis and Krysta Yang discussed details about what they called the "adversarial relationship" between NOA and the US arm of The Pokémon Company.
The pair discussed tensions between the US teams while looking back on the origins of the first Pokémon Day in 2016 on episode 159 of the Kit & Krysta Podcast (thanks, NintendoEverything).
The result of various factors — including Pokémon pronunciation issues — the former Nintendo employees describe an "adversarial energy" and a "layer of competition" that produced a "tug of war for control" around brand messaging and other details. One amusing point of contention apparently involved former president of NOA Reggie Fils-Aimé's pronunciation of a particular Pokémon in a video which irked TPC, but the NOA team refused to re-record. Another episode involved Pokémon ice sculptures which also didn't meet with the company's approval.

Here's a transcript from the relevant section of the conversation (check out the time-stamped video below if you'd like to watch and listen yourself):
Kit: We really can't undersell the kind of at times adversarial relationship that there was because, you know, like [it] kind of depended on what branch you were dealing with because like we would interact with Game Freak developers when they would come over and they were great and wonderful and very sweet and nice. Even like The Pokémon Company in Japan, when you would get a glimpse of them, they seemed okay, but it was really the US teams that were very [*hits fists together], and there were really a lot of butting heads moments.
Krysta: Well, some of the people that were on the US Pokémon team used to work at Nintendo. There were several of them that had to leave their jobs at Nintendo because they moved the Sales and Marketing Office [...] There was a little bit of salt, a little bit, I think, at some times. And there's this layer of adversarial energy, but also this layer of competition, which was very prevalent throughout the NOA regions. We talked about and we joked around a lot about how it was always NOE and NOA [*hits fists together], like fighting to the death for attention from daddy NCL or whatever, like sibling rivalry.
But there was definitely that kind of energy a little bit between the US Pokémon Company and NOA as well. There was this kind of tug of war for control. It was like, 'Well, if you guys are talking about video games, you got to involve us. We need to be able to make sure that this shows properly on our systems. We need to make sure that we have involvement.' And they're like, 'Well, we're not talking about video games, we're talking about the brand, so you can't be involved. So go away, stop talking to us.' So it was like that relationship around it that made it a little tension.Kit: It was also, again, this is something that changed around this time, but , you know, 'Letter of the Law' versus 'Spirit of the Law', where we were cracking down on your pronunciations, and we would have Reggie do a video, and they're like, 'Reggie needs to re-record this.' We're not going to re-record. It's close, it's Reggie, like we can't get on his schedule again. You're just going to have to deal with it. 'Oh, we're going to hold a grudge about this! Oh, we're really mad!' And they were melting down my beautiful ice sculptures! Like, 'Oh, Oshawott's toenail isn't quite to proportion. Melt 'em all down.' [...] There was a lot of stuff of that ilk.
Nothing wrong with a little healthy competition, although in this case it seems to have caused upset on both sides. We must say, we'd be intrigued to see pictures of the offending sculptures!
Check out the full episode below for more behind-the-scenes peeks at the origins of the Pokémon Day presentation, the most recent of which gave us a better look at the upcoming Pokémon Legends: Z-A.
[source youtu.be, via nintendoeverything.com]
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I'm really pretty easygoing when it comes to stuff like graphics and frame rate, but it has to be said: leave it to Pokémon to care more about the toenails of ice sculptures than the performance of their games!
Not surprised at all that it's between the US branches (and in other cases NOE and NOA) and not with The Pokémon Company in Japan...
This might be part of the reason why the marketing for Pokémon is often so divorced from general Nintendo marketing nowadays.
My Uncle, who works at Nintendo NoA obvs, had a Uncle who worked in NoE - there was a minor feud over who had the best tash, but they did eventually see eye to eye. Christmas family parties with them were always... intersting.
Fun fact: Reggie once pronounced Lucario as 'Lucario', causing a nearly 30 second arguement over pronounciation at the local Smash Bros. tournament. They had lemonade afterwards - Source: My Uncle.
This is all corporate relations ever.
Nintendo needs to buy complete control of the Pokemon company or cut them loose.
haha i didnt know about reggie, thats rlly funny. pokemon helps nintendo a lot with business, so im thankful for them doing that 🙃
Bandai Namco should be the replacement of Pokemon developer.
I was a big fan of these two for a long time but the more of this sort of thing I see the more the vibes feel off with them.
Nahh it’s been well known for more than a decade that TPC isn’t exactly the best company to work with/for in the videogame market.
SEGA of America moment
Which pokemon did Reggie mispronounce? Please tell me it's Regigigas.
Jokes aside, pokemon pronunciation is pretty contradictory even in official sources. Cue Gyarados, or even the infamous change to Arceus pronunciation because butt
Yeah I think there will be many companies who have relationship issues with America moving forward.
Interesting. For those that recall, Pokemon was very hesitant to put their games on Switch hardware when it first launched in 2017. Today they are struggling to keep up with the hardware infrastructure. A lot of Pokemon projects have also moved to mobile platforms. It seems that the Pokemon Company and Nintendo may have butted heads quite a bit during the current generation. However, I think the stellar sales of Gens 8 & 9 (2nd & 3rd highest selling generations) cement the fact that the two brands will forever be entwined.
The next posdcast they do should be 'How to stay relevant in 2025!'
@Axecon that and Nintendo straight up owns a third of the Pokemon Company and an unknown share in Creatues one of the other 2 owners.
@Axecon I remember Ishihara telling Nintendo the Switch would fail. And look where we are now.
I also remember third parties being all onboard with their Smash amiibo giving costumes in Mario Maker and Yoshi's Woolly World complete with unique audio.
Except Pokémon. You got the sprite in Mario Maker but no audio, and nothing in Woolly World.
TPC just seems to refuse to play nice.
I imagine Nintendo have never stopped kicking themselves for not gaining full rights to the franchise before Red/Blue/Green even released
Seems like they acted like a real Trumpamon.
@Haruki_NLI Imagine if Nintendo and Pokemon partnered to do a full amiibo line of all the Pokemon. Or added amiibo functionality to some Pokemon cards. It would have been a gold mine.
@SwitchplayerJohn
They (Nintendo) created it (The Pokemon Company) along with Game Freak and Creatures; and they created it as a controller for the Pokemon franchise, so Nintendo would only worry about its own games, and in terms of sales and marketing, they have succeeded, although on the calendar side for the games, they have been very rushed and putting pressure on Game Freak (yes, Game Freak created their own boss, after all).
Disappearing The Pokemon Company would be a mistake due to everything that the franchise entails (video games and their spin offs, anime/cartoons/specials, comics/manga, toys, movies, the trading card game, Pokemon centers, the licenses in various products and services and even a long etc.) and that mistake would lead Nintendo to have more work to do.
What is needed would be a restructuring of the executives and more support in the development of the games, if they want to have it soon or better to give them the necessary time and avoid overpressure
An example of not having a "delegate" for this was with the company Level 5, they had so many projects in general and they could not control them all well, which ended with the decline of some of their games and long delays in others.
This just sounds like standard business stuff / client relations with a few haughty egos mixed in. Sounds like Kit & Krysta making a mountain out of a molehill again and exaggerating for clicks.
@Onosume Yep. Forever grifting off of past glories and feeding backers and gaming news media office gossip
@SwitchplayerJohn Both of those are insane options. Taking control of Pokemon would mean cutting off or taking control of Game Freak and Creatures Inc, which neither of those companies want. Meanwhile, cutting off Pokemon entirely would mean giving up console exclusivity for one of their biggest system sellers, along with their cut of revenue from the most profitable IP in the world. Besides, while there's obviously something going wrong with the mainline games, TPC is just flat out better than Nintendo when it comes to expanding their brand. They've been a multimedia juggernaut for decades while Nintendo has only started to see major success from expanding outside of console games in the last few years.
@BrazillianCara That and why Nintendo seemingly doesn't care about the quality like their other IPs. If a Mario or Kirby game had any of the problems Scarlet Violet had and launched, heads would roll. But since it's not theirs and it sells anyways, they couldn't care less.
I'm confused. Did Kit and Krysta used to work at Nintendo and was there any time when some very mild drama happened at NoA? I just don't know if they've mentioned it numerous times or not...
@Axecon This seems like typical office politics to me. Also Nintendo owns the international trademark, so they won't go somewhere that Nintendo doesn't allow.
@shoeses Kirby's copyright is only half owned by Nintendo along with the company that makes the games, HAL Laboratory. Same goes with Fire Emblem with Intelligent Systems. Nintendo fully owns the International trademark for all three of Kirby, Fire Emblem, and Pokemon.
Beef between NoA and Pokemon Company US, two marketing arms and nothing more.
I thought it was about a patent case lost against Palworld
Those two are assets controlled by my uncle, Director of Special Operations at Nintendo HQ.
Competition within can be a good thing as long as it comes to a positive outcome.
@larryisaman As much as I like Nintendo I think them fully owning Pokemon might not have been that great.
Under Nintendo, like most of their franchises most actions with Pokemon would prioritise selling Nintendo consoles. It'd have probably helped if they could just have just got whatever Pokemon game they wanted on a console like WiiU instead of a handful of spin-offs, but obviously unless they did a 3DS/WiiU cross platform game any Pokemon on WiiU would have been trading Pokemon's success to try and save a console.
Whereas The Pokemon Company take actions to boost Pokemon as an IP (With exception to releasing it on platforms competing with Nintendo). I think Nintendo would be hesitant to make quite as many mobile games with Pokemon or have pushed the card game as far as TPC.
I think Nintendo's multi-media strategy with Mario is a lot weaker than Pokemon. Until recently Mario's largely been all licensed toys/products outside the games rather than extra branches of the franchise like the card games, multiple manga, anime and movies are for Pokemon.
The Pokémon Company International - aka the USofA branch, is the worst.
They hire cheaters to comment, have prejudice against Brazil, do not give us an option to use the METRIC system in the games.
Almost as bad as Doug Bowser at the head of NoA.
@shoeses
If Nintendo cared about "other IPs", that atrocious Skyward Sword would never be released. This lame excuse of game almost ruined the whole Zelda brand.
@Rozetta Those are fighting words. Skyward Sword's my favorite game in the series. It's got at least the best story, characters, and soundtrack, along with some of my favorite dungeons, bosses, items, and general combat. I've been horribly disappointed with the direction the games have taken since then.
They, seem like fine people or whatever... but does anybody else feel that Kit & Krysta often go too far, reveal too much, have gotten into a habit of talking maybe a bit too openly about Nintendo, and on things they shouldn't really be speaking on? It's hard to find the right words but sometimes when I listen to them I feel there's a lack of respect for the company and the much sought after experience of getting to work with them?
I've been a Nintendo fan for a long time and maybe it's wrong to talk of them like some scared deities or whatever but to pick a random example, the framing of... I mean really just the desire to tell the "Pokemon team ordered for all my ice sculptures to be melted " story is definitely brand damaging, a bummer to read for the fans - I know they're not dissing Nintendo directly here but just airing these kinds of stories, tensions. I wouldn't be comfortable doing that if I was in their position.
Does anybody get what I'm trying to say here, and perhaps experiences those same feelings when watching/listening to them. It's a respect thing, it's a damn you got to work with these incredible companies, be humble about that - it's not easy to find the right words and I don't wish to be too negative. Just curious if anybody has felt this also.
@thegroke777 Yeah I felt the same. I feel like they are breaking some kind of NDA by sharing internal discussions even if they are old, certainly Nintendo/TPC isn’t happy about it.
Why Nintendo Life continues to give these unassociated whackjobs a platform to advertise their podcast is beyond me at this point. They are constantly misinformed about the very company they're profiting off information from, it doesn't help that these statements are the most weakly-worded opinion pieces that specifically allow for detraction of any and all statements the second someone with actual (official) information comes to contradict them. Me saying the exact same statement as they did (word-for-word) holds the exact same weight, brevity and official as they do (we're both not Nintendo employees, and we both have been found out to be directly lying about the inner workings of Nintendo in the past - them directly lying about Nintendo's stances on "Nuzlockes" and other challenge runs, me claiming my uncle works there).
They should go their separate ways. Maybe if Pokemon was actually forced to be on a modern console the games could be halfway decent.
Pokemon was never going to be the same after TPC tasted the profits from Go.
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