As Switch Closes The Gap, Sony Officially Confirms PS2 Has Sold "Over" 160 Million Units

How do they not have exact numbers for this? Regardless, I doubt that it will pass it unfortunately and that stinks because a lot of people just got a PS2 for dvd playing and not for an actual game console

Like Nintendo give a crap about that casual numbers, the thing is the Switch beat the PS4, PS5, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X this gen and they aren't even a powerhouse platform.

In the next year, Sony will say that PS2 actually sold 165 million units. 😂

@Vyacheslav333 Totally! Keep moving those goalposts, Sony

Okay, fine.

I officially declare Sony sold zero PS2s.

It's about as legitimate as Sony's claim.

Congratulations to Sony for being the worst-selling console of all time in the PS2!

...Congratulations on Nokia's N-Gage for not being the worst.

@Vyacheslav333 I don't think that's possible since I read that their company records state they only manufactured 161 million of them, though I wasn't actually able to find proof of this claim only an article stating it as fact

Lol at clinging to a decades old console's record to try and get a leg up. They'll never reach those heights again unless they again find a hot new tech to use as a back door for their console to get into the home. It would be just as sad as Nintendo trotting out the Wii's lightning in a bottle numbers today. Nintendo hit those hardware sales this time on pure gaming bliss.

@John_Deacon they would have to be sold be 50% off to sell enough to catch up. That’s insane and no record is worth that to a company that won’t discount their games more than 33% off.

Everyone knows the new switch is on the way and this is a silly record that no one cares about minus the person who wants to have weird bragging rights.

Who cares about PS2? In comparison to the switch it was a crappy console. Having the cheapest DVD player on the market is not something to be proud of. I had a PS2 and a GameCube. I nearly only played on the latter. Better games and better loading times. To make sales by not doing anything against piracy brings it to the point. That costs the developers. So be proud Sony. But not so loud about it.

I don't consider this to be "officially confirming" the 160 million figure, it's merely some tech guy popping Jim Ryan's claim on this website to give it a false sense of authority. Only when Sony's company reports list the figure will I believe it.

The PS2 was still selling after the PS3 launch. No reason to think it won't be the same for the Switch.

Dude found a couple dusty papers sitting between the photocopier and the wall.

@Otoemetry "some tech guy on this website"??? It's playstation.com, it is officially reported by Sony.

If the Switch manages to get over 160 million, then Sony will claim it is 165 million now!

Didn't Pele do something like this when Ronaldo was closing in on his goal record?

The only playstation worth the price was the playstation in my opinion. After gen one it went down. But I'm a Nintendo guy through and through. So maybe I missed out. But I don't think so.

Something as vague as "over 160 million" is both pathetic and hilarious.

Sony pulled that extra 5 million out they ass and its honestly kinda sad. The PS2 has been at 155 million for a decade but suddenly with the Switch within 10 million of surpassing it they all of a sudden sold 160 million? Yea. Sure.

@BTB20 TBF it probably is "some tech guy" (or more likely, some intern) updating the website so they're probably not wrong lol

Still, by revenue alone, it has obliterated the PS2.
DLC's, NSO, expansions, microtransactions and so on. It's not even close.

Cleary just juking the numbers at this point….Where did these extra five million suddenly come from? Unless like I saw someone comment on Push Square if they’re throwing in those TVs with the PS2 built in. And even then, five million seems high…

They should just manufacture 40 million more Switches. That way it will eventually pass the PS2 regardless.

You don’t outsell the PS2.. that’s the message here.

That’s what you call a stacked line-up? Passable line-up maybe but not stacked.

Move the post all you want Sony, Nintendo is gonna make that goal lol.

If Nintendo only sold one Switch, it would still be better than a PlayStation.

@MasterGraveheart
Um, excuse me.
I played Dance Dance Revolution games, K-1 games, Para Para Paradise, Monster Rancher 4, etc on PS2 and PS2 is one of my favorite PlayStation machine for having the Best Rhythm games DDR, Kickboxing games from Japan K-1, Alternative monster taming game Monster Rancher 4, etc that really shaped my gaming experience, thanks to the 3rd party games on PS2.

@sportvater
I cared a lot for PS2.
I'm the 3rd party gamer who grew up by 3rd party games from PS1 & PS2 games such as Dance Dance Revolution games, Kickboxing K-1 games, Monster Rancher 2 & 4 by TECMO, other BEMANI Rhythm games by Konami such as Para Para Paradise / DrumMania / Pop'n Music / Beatmania IIDX, Punky Skunk, Magical Tetris Disney, Pepsiman, Final Fantasy 8, Final Fantasy 9, Final Fantasy 10, Final Fantasy 10-2, Final Fantasy 12, etc.
And in my opinion, PS2 games library is way much better than GameCube in term of 3rd party games choice, thanks to DDR games, K-1 games, Monster Rancher games, Final Fantasy games on PS2.

@NFrealinkling Nah, I think Nintendo will still be able to blow past it pretty easily. The Switch still retails for $300 and hasn't gotten a single price cut yet. It's not like Nintendo will immediately discontinue the OG Switch the moment the "Switch 2" releases. It will likely still be on the market for another few years and maybe even get some kind of new SKU like a "Switch Slim" or "Switch Pocket" or something, I dunno.

Remember the Nintendo 2DS XL didn't release until after the Switch already came out, and first-party games were still coming to the console as late as 2019. Switch has a far larger install base than 3DS, so they may support it for even longer, especially since the new system will be backwards-compatible.

It might take a few more years, but I think the Switch can absolutely surpass PS2, no question.

Btw, when Switch sales surpassed PS2 sales, I will give a slow handclap and poker face. 😐
Why?
Because the success of Switch sales is also followed by the flaws from their game distribution with really bad business decision and bad optimization (partial download, streaming only, code in box, etc) and that made me felt disappointed.
I was really fanboism with Switch during year 2018 - 2019, but started during pandemic era, I started to feel disappointed with Switch in term of their games performance and distribution for 3rd party games and it made slowly back to my PlayStation side and getting hyped with PS5 for tons of 3rd party kids games with better performance than Switch version.

print nintendosales + 1

That's a lot of DVD players.

Switch will continue to sell even if Switch 2 is released. It was like that with the 3DS back when there was a Switch in 2017... And it will probably get cheaper, being excellent for playing endless Indies and Ports from different eras like Nintendo Games, FFs and other games.

The PS2 will be surpassed regardless of how much Sony lies... update the numbers.

The PS2 had a 13 or so year run, upwards of 7 of that was after the PS3 was released. I'm sure if Nintendo cut the price and had the OG Switch available right up to the release of Switch 3 one day it would beat the PS2 with ease.

Also, compare install rates for the top Switch games vs the top selling games for PS4 and PS5. It's not even close (especially for exclusive), people buy a Switch for the games... they buy a PlayStation because all they buy is PlayStation.

i guess this will mean switch 2 gets delayed since nintendo wants to break the all time record for console sales..

@BlublacMH The 155 million number was as of almost a year before they stopped production of the PS2.

@USA_Spartan I'm pretty sure the Switch is gonna surpass 160 million in 2026 at the latest. No need to keep selling it for that long.

Sony just refuses to pass the torch on, the Switch hasn't surpassed the DS yet, calm down Sony.

Of those 160 million, how many still use it as a DVD player?

ps2 sold however many after multiple price cuts and a budget-minded hardware revision HINT

Sony mid 2025: “It actually sold more than 163 million. … we can do this all day, Nintendo.”

@HammerGalladeBro

every so often in my life, ive needed to play a dvd and the ps2 is the dvd player that was always there. it'll happen again 😊

@NFrealinkling

You basically only really know how many consoles you made, and even that is "give or take".

Logistics is hard. You take a lot of short cuts. For example, if you make 20 million units and your quality console rate is 5%, you just assume you shipped 19 million. You don't actually "count".

Around 10% of units sold well be returned as defective, but only around half of them will actually be defective. You re-box them and send them back out, while you fix what you can and send them back out as well. Rather then trying to track all that you just assume you "sold" the number you shipped and adjust it later based on service tickets. There is a lot of room for data to get lost.

Then there is just shrinkage. If you ship 10,000 and the track gets highjacked, you still get paid via insurance. So are they ... sales? I mean, you sold them to a vender and got paid! And by the nature of shrinkage, you don't really have solid numbers. Anyone who's worked retail can tell you the number of any given stock item you have get miscounted and misreported all the time, even in small stores.

Sometimes it's even as simple as mixing up, both internally and in what you tell the press, sales TO, which is what you sold to venders, and sales THROUGH, which is what vendors sell to customers.

All and all, it's not unreasonable to only have a rough idea what you total sales numbers are at any given time and be off by a percentage point or two.

But in this case ... it's pretty fishy. You generally adjust your numbers and finalize them after 5 years or so. The idea that they are still actively updating sales numbers decades later and the adjustments always seem to be positive and just enough to keep it the number one selling console is ... unlikely.

Sadly, at the end of the day, there is literally nothing stopping them for just making the numbers up. It's illegal to mislead your shareholders about futures, but it's not a crime to lie you butt off to the public about historic sales.

@NFrealinkling following that logic, the moment ps3 launched in 2006 then ps2 sales got cut off inmediatly which that never happened. PS2 kept selling way until 2013-14. so if the switch 2 comes out next year the regular switch could still be sold for 5 more years and that could help to reach over the 160 million milestone

There are a couple really good sales at Best Buy in Target on both the OLED and the original model. Could see a small boost from holiday Shoppers finally seeing a price cut!

I feel like I’m reading a Dave meltzer article on wrestlemania 3 attendance. 🤣😂

The timing is so suspicious. Sony aren't a very honest company (remember the E3 PS3 reveal...graphics still haven't got better than that yet hahaha!) Thingis, Sony's brand is so reliant on being the best selling because their iterations are simply more of the same, you can imagine Switch sales have been keeping them up all night.

@sportvater I'd still love a PS2 to this day!

It was the reason Gamecube had about three rpg's..5 if you're counting sequels unreleased in half the world.

Ps2 was an rpg machine, backwards compatible with some of the best platformers that didn't have Mario. And we're not even talking about things like Metal gear solid and Silent hill!

I could only afford 1 home console, and I never regretted buying my favourite console after Switch.
But there was some serious jealousy towards my friend who had both! 😂

I swear the figure keeps going up everytime I hear this....

I can imagine this happening in 2025/26:

Switch: Crosses 159.99 million units sold
Sony: "Actually, the PS2 sold over 161 million units."

Have you seen the website? It's practically the first thing they mention in MASSIVE numbers hahaha. Some suit really thinks this is important.

@NinChocolate ...and if the Switch does actually outsell the PS2? What's the message then?

Wow. This is pretty childish behavior for such a big company.

Oh for crying out loud

I'm a big fan of both Nintendo and Sony so have no particular bias one way or the other, but this does seem a rather odd and convenient time to suddenly shift the goal posts lol

@Anti-Matter your fanboyism of Sony is evident on a Nintendo website.

If you look at all of the patches and day 1 downloads of PS5 and Series X, they are arguably more digital than Nintendo.

A sizeable amount of games these days are "code in a box" with the disc just being your licence and boot disc. Without the patches, some won't even run.

You need to look closer to home at your beloved Sony as they have the same nuances you constantly criticise the Switch for and in my opinion, more so.

In terms of optimisation, Nintendo is one of the best. In fairness a good number of 3rd party Devs have done a sterling job as well.

Your games of choice are low budget efforts aimed at kids. The average 6 year old doesn't care about FPS so the developer may skimp on optimisation.

That's not necessarily right but it's reality and BTW, shock news, the PS5 is more powerful than the Switch. Who knew!?!

@sixrings I don't know what made you think that they need a 50% discount to break the record. We are talking about a console that have not reduced its price in EIGHT years, and yet it keep selling well. A 30% discount would be more than enough to sell some more millions. Btw if Nintendo don't discount their games often is because they keep selling well, but we are talking about the scenario when the Switch stop selling well, so a better comparison would be the Wii Mini, which released with a whopping 60% discount. Let's not forget Nintendo main income is software, they can easily sell hardware at a minimum price in order to gain users to sell more software. Of course they don't care about the record, but selling more Switches always means more money for them

@sportvater Most opinions on here are fine but this is abysmal. Many, many people care great deals about the PS2 it was a great console with great games and I still am playing it

Sony really are just making up numbers now aren't they? lol

@NFrealinkling same way we have exact number for the DS and every other best selling console and handheld.

At this point it's starting to feel like Legolas and Gimli exaggarating their body counts... It feels really childish.

The Wii probably outsold the ps2. They've been pulling numbers from somewhere since 2006

it officially says "over" 160.

they can upgrade that number endlessly.

@LavenderShroud They last reported the numbers in 2012, stopped manufacturing in 2014, but they'd still be selling unsold units after that date. 5 million isn't that unreasonable in the markets like India where Sony started focusing on in the later years.

@NFrealinkling well they might not surpass it by March, but with a price drop it should be quite simple in a 1-3years, since Switch will still get plenty of indie games and rereleases. PS2 was selling for a long time since 2000, and still while the ps3 released, plus expanded to other new regions. Switch has been out there just for 7years so there is a big chance they will pass the milestone. Also the Switch might be working as an accessory to Switch 2(maybe) further giving more incentive for people not to hesitate to buy both Switch and its successor.

You think 160 million is big number you should have seen the crowds at my latest gaming event — at least 160 billion people maybe 160 trillion, all good people, loyal people, excellent smart people, all there to hear me announce the concepts of a plan for the world’s biggest and best video games console ever and let me tell you this console is gonna blow all the other consoles out of the water, smoke ‘em like cigars, it’s got the highest power and the most graphics and the biggest games and the smartest chips on the face of the earth and those PHONEYS at Sony and the low IQ individuals and NintenDUMB better watch out because that 160 million units is gonna be looking more like 160 millionths of the sales of my console once it exists in any tangible form.

this just in. Sony claims the PS2 gas sold 200 million units.
AKA this is a joke. Sony, you're too late to give these numbers

Insecurity, n. : see « Sony ».

@Maxz Is that you, Tommy Tallarico?

Sony reminding people that their biggest success was 2 decades ago and mostly linked with the replacement for VHS players. Good stuff Sony! 🎉🎉🎉

Is this the new running gag of Sony? Wish they could give the PS5 as much efforts as the PS2 in term of quality game.

@sportvater
I'm the furthest thing from a Sony fanboy but I wouldn't go as far to say PS2 is a crappy console in comparison to Switch. The PS2 was a gold mine when it came to RPGs and it had some of the best Sony exclusives during that era.

Now if we're talking about the PS3, PS4 or PS5 I can see why they're not worth owning especially with the rise of PC gaming. Plus the pool of first party Sony exclusives is very shallow nowadays.

someone should let the Sony Business Data & Sales division know because this doesn't match their records by 5million units:

Cumulative Worldwide Hardware Unit Sales (Sell-in)
PlayStation®2 More than 155.0 million
(As of March 31, 2012)
source: https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/

When the Switch 2 is out drop the lite down to same sort of price the N2DS was and I'm sure they'll get plenty if sales. Granted its most likely people looking to mod them but hey.

Sony are like the marathon man in Ocarina of Time, always ahead by one, no matter what you do XD

What's remarkable is that the ps2 was so cheap at the end of it's run and Nintendo hardly ever drop their prices and they still have sold so many in a shorter period of time. Sony usually start their console runs at high prices then go to mid range prices as they hit rock bottom at the end of the run, while Nintendo keep it around the same.

Moving those goalposts again, huh Sony?

Everyone said $ony would do this!

Except this time, $ony left it open ended so they can continue to lie about it.

This is just Sony deviously announcing the sell-in / wholesale number (units produced) as the sell-through number (units sold)

They can't even keep their own story straight. Sony Interactive's own website lists the number of PS2 units sold to retailers as 155m+

https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/

It shouldn't be hard. They must have the figures.

Just announce the sell-in number (sold to retailers) and the sell-through number (sold to customers) and back it up with evidence from your official public financial reports

If they aren't prepared to do that, then the official sell-through figure can sit at 155M

@Folkloner @sunnyboy top tier comments, @Liam_Doolan this needs to be an investigative feature! 😜

@BTB20 please see comments above to understand what I mean, they aren't figures reported in official company records and don't even match the numbers on another one of their own websites

@JohnnyMind
You do realize that THIS is the fourth NL article about this topic, correct?
$ony has now done this "goalpost" moving four times!

@Koxen I’m not saying the Switch sales will die immediately after the switch 2 launches, but comparing it to the 3ds sales is very different considering the Switch 2 will be backwards compatible, so there’s less of a reason to buy it over the successor

It was the console that defined an era – but now Sony's PlayStation 2 has finally reached game over. The company has confirmed to the Guardian that after 12 years and 150m units sold worldwide, making it the most successful home games machine of all time, all PS2 production has ended worldwide.

Launched in 2000, the successor to the original PlayStation ended up with a library of more than 10,000 games titles by 2011, with 1.52bn individual games sold since launch. "At the height of the PlayStation 2's success, the word effectively came to mean video games for a lot of people," said Anna Marsh, a game designer who worked on Tomb Raider and Hitman.

Its success was down to three factors: cunning design, excellent games and great timing. Sony's decision to include a DVD player meant the machine found its way into living rooms, exposing many more to gaming.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jan/04/playstation-2-manufacture-ends-years

Sony is struggling with its latest handheld device, the PS Vita, which has only sold 4m units in 10 months, while the iPhone, iPad and Android devices sold more than 200m in 2012. Consumers are now used to downloading cheap games on smartphones – hence the incredible success of titles such as Angry Birds and Cut the Rope.

"The industry has become so fractured, I'm not sure we'll see another console that gets that sort of penetration into the public consciousness," said Marsh.

So is the 160m number actually real this time or just done again to prevent Nintendo from surpassing them?

@MrCarlos46 not real.
Sony only made 160million-ish PS2s
Systems were returned, failed, defective or other.
They sold maybe 153.86 consoles, as stated one one website.

@MrCarlos46 I'm inclined to believe these numbers are inflated.

@NFrealinkling but, the switch will become the cheaper alternative they will cut the price for sure. and there is a market for late adopters.

PS2 lifetime sales were recorded at over 158m a few years back - just because Sony stopped recording sales doesn't mean that it stopped selling.
PS4 has probably cleared 120m units now but Sony stopped counting at just over 117m (just before they ordered a million units to cover for the PS5 shortfall!)

And yes, PS2 had a DVD drive - why? So they could fit more data on a DVD disc than the PS1's CD format. Everyone I know that had a PS2 played games first and foremost but also could rent a DVD from Blockbusters without the need to buy a separate DVD player.

@Vyacheslav333 Absolutely.

So much PS2 hate for literally no reason in this article when it's objectively one of the best game console of all time. This is like revisionist history lol. I don't get why it's almost universally making fun of Sony for reporting official numbers lol. Sony stopped reporting sales a year before the thing was discontinued so it's not a dumb idea that it sold 5 million more units in that year.

Also people outright calling a console like the PS2 bad is so strange, because it had all the games that a beloved console like GameCube had and then many more. It has some of the best games of all time on it. So strange to see people calling it bad here. I'm just glad to finally have official finalized sale numbers.

@Koxen I do think there will still be a market and it will sell some but not quite as much as people are thinking

If there is one thing I learned from this comment section, it's that people overestimate how much these company cares about having the number one selling platform of all time, instead of profits right now.

Sony being Sony... They are, and will always be the worst at communication and onanism.

They love the incorrect idea they have of themselves and can't even see how stupid they look the the rest of the world.

@Fiskern it only matters for marketing reasons. they know people engage with knowing the numbers, so they share them

So strange people going to bat for PS2 so hard here. It’s objectively fact that tons of people bought it purely for being a DVD player with not a single video game bought for it. Hell I remember a PS2 kept in an old boss’s office at the time that was used purely to play dvd training films lol

Also odd people acting like Switch can’t beat PS2 whether it’s at 160 or likely slightly over. There is still a TON of sale time for the system with not a single price drop yet. The Switch doesn’t just disappear just because the new system dropped otherwise explain PS4 sales since the PS5 dropped lol.

If Sony is comfortable boasting about this achievement--and clearly it is--Nintendo and its fans should be more than comfortable very deliberately aiming to take that crown with Switch.

Sony lying about their numbers, shouldn't be news at all. Why do you think they stopped reporting the sales of the PS2 after 2012, even when the console ceased production in 2013? Plain and simple, it's because sales of the console plummeted considerably. They only sold 400000 units in 2012, and then 100000 on 2013, and then, they stopped counting, because the steep decline was just going to continue. It's laughable that everyone in the press is believing this BS, you could get an accurate report from Chat GPT, that clearly proves this is just a dumb4ss move by Sony, and was done, because they're afraid of Nintendo and the massive success that the Switch has, and they know it will surpass the PS2, by this time next year.

@dtlux1 the PS2 sold oficially 400k units on 2012, then 100k on 2013, then, they stopped reporting the abysmal sales the console was getting.

Think it sold so well at the time . Because if was nearly half the price of a dvd player for me gran turismo sold it what a game. Went downhill for me. I got one 2002 used. On my third one. First to busted which is a shame

I couldn’t care less which console has the most lifetime sales. The PS2 and Switch are both great game machines with many great games - that’s all that really matters

My prediction is … Switch beats the 160mil number at some point, and Sony congratulates Nintendo on the feat.

Sony also sold it for under 90 Pounds/ Euros for about a year in the UK

That PS2 goalpost just keeps on moving, huh?

@Vyacheslav333 They did honest they did.

The Wii U actually sold 170 million units.

Best selling console of all time.

Its biggest seller? Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival with Hello Kitty Kruisers a close second. Made a killer Black Friday console bundle that did.

Totes legit. No cap.

Remember that a TON of PS2 systems kept failing, and things weren't really good until the 4th version of the system. There are MILLIONS of those systems that were REPLACEMENTS for failed PS2s. Also, Sony would always use the term "shipped" instead of "sold" (because of replacements). Not they they ever showed actual numbers. Microsoft did the same thing with the Xbox 360, and the massive amount of defective systems. Replacements artificially inflate what they claim as "sold".

@Bluesaxo Yeah, it was the joke that the best game on the PS2 was The Matrix on DVD. Also, yeah, if you had 3 PS2s, Sony counts that as 3 sold, even though it's one person. Nintendo's numbers were more indicative of an actual player count.

@Spider-Kev But now this: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/playstation-history/2000-ps2-psp/

Regardless of what is even the actual number (155m or 160m), could the Switch possibly be the last chance a console has at try to outsell the PS2?

Let's see how the last holiday season as flagship treats the Switch, and what legs it has after the successor arrives.
PS2slim sold quite a lot during PS3's first few years, as I remember it.

We still have our Playstation 2 and hook it up every now and then to play games like The Simpsons: Hit & Run, The Simpsons Game, The Simpsons: Road Rage, Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Chaos Bleeds, Alias, Sonic Heroes, Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity, Rayman 2: Revolution, Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc, Spyro: A Hero's Tail, Spyro: Enter the Dragonfly, Spider-Man 1, 2 and 3 and Ghostbusters (2009) which was slightly different than the version that was remastered a few years ago and looked more cartoonish and had different villains.

I wish they would re-release some of them on modern consoles especially Sonic Heroes which is one of the best Sonic 3D games imo. When we got an X Box 360 I bought 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Chaos Bleeds', 'The Simpsons: Hit & Run' and 'Sonic Heroes' again for X Box so I could play them on that since it had backwards compatibility.

No way the Switch is making it to number 1 now, with the Switch 2 coming in hot.

PS2 sold for 12 years though. Switch has only been around since 2017. Big difference. Sell the Switch for 12 years and it would surely pass the PS2.

If Nintendo wants to sell more Switch units this holiday season, price cuts by $50 for each model are an option:

Switch: $299 -> $249
Switch Lite: $199 -> $149
Switch OLED: $349 -> $299

I mean if Sony can use this logic then the Nintendo DS sold around 170m units.

Sony have been pulling this tired petty tactic for years, they did it in 2009 when the Nintendo DS was about to pass PS2 sales figures then too, randomly started reporting sales figures on the PS2 when they hadn't reported them since 2007 by that stage.

Sony have always been known to be petty about that "best selling console ever" crown.

Over 160 million sold. And its nearly impossible to find one that still works right.

Sony keeps moving the goalposts. Doesn't matter, the Switch should eventually pass the PS2 but that all depends on how long Nintendo will continue to sell the Switch at retail once the Switch 2 launches. Typically Nintendo will still support the older hardware for 2 to 3 years (except for the Wii U which they couldn't wait to dump). However, even if the Switch ends up falling short and "only" sells say 155 million total, it's STILL an incredible success.

You know what would be hilarious? If Nintendo announced an updated figure for the DS tomorrow, overtaking the PS2 in the process. Not beating them with the Switch, but in the past, with the discontinued DS.

@SleeplessKnight Except it now looks like this time the 160m number wasn’t to move the goal post

Now Nintendo knows how manny more units to sell to outsell the PS2

@sunnyboy Take another look at it now:
https://sonyinteractive.com/en/our-company/business-data-sales/
The weird part here now is that over 160 million is still as of March 31st 2012 and not later, despite over 155 million having been as of the same date.

@Anti-Matter Okay, fiiiine. I declare the PS2 sold... 777 more units than the N-Gage. There. I'm not that heartless.

And it sold so well despite being a home console, which is usually bought 1 per household. Switch has problems catching up despite being a handheld, which is usually bought in multiple order household.

@NFrealinkling In the beginning, yes. DVD player prices plummeted very quickly. That's only a fraction of those sales.

@Razzy Exactly. We have 5 Switches in the house. In total we've bought 8 Switches since launch and only one was used.

@sportvater Says 160 million people. The PS2 wiped the floor with the Gamecube. Outside of first party titles the GC didn't have many legs to stand on. PS2 had an insane number of exclusives that never made it to GC including strong third-party support.

@Denoloco That doesn't count. Due to inflation, it would obviously be more. You can't count that.

@Duncanballs He's wrong in the sense that streaming games don't even make up a fraction of a percent of games on Switch. And to your point, I have yet to see a PS5 game with a code in a box. I see this way more often with Switch games, or part of the game is on the cart. All PS5 discs have the game on them. I've actually installed many offline. Every single one has the game data on them. However, some do require patches to be playable, which is true. I have installed my entire PS5 library and PS4 offline recently, and they all had data on them and all booted without patches.

@Ultimapunch There are millions out there that do. I have bought two recently that worked perfectly fine. You can say that with any retro console. If it's not taken care of, it won't work. How many NES systems out there are deemed "dead" because Nintendo didn't gold plate the cartridge slot and they corrode over time? All they need is contact cleaner and a little melamine foam.

Let’s just see how many Switch units Nintendo can sell throughout the holidays before they start focusing on Super Switch

Loaded release schedule, lol. 3 games and no one who likes those franchises would need to buy a system to play them, so that’s not going to help them move more systems

The pre-emptive cope is hilarious from some people online. They will never accept it if the switch doesn't pass PS2. Lol!