Hideki Kamiya Still Wants To Make Okami 2 And Viewtiful Joe 3

Viewtiful Joe Collection and Okamiden HD/UHD when?

This just reminded me I need to finish okami lol. It’s been a while since I played it and I was pretty far…so I might just make a new save whenever I get back to it as I probably won’t remember the long story up to that point.

Well, you know how Capcom is. Something has to really catch their fancy before they commit to things. I'd love to see and Okami 2 and especially Viewtiful Joe 3, but I've resolved myself that they will never happen at this point.

@MeloMan Yeah, the Capcom test isn't really judging if new games get made anymore, meaning the fate of franchises like Darkstalkers, Okami & Viewtiful Joe returning is a matter of three things: time, patience, and if the higher-ups at Capcom will allow it.

I don’t get why Capcom has spent twenty years hiding Viewtiful Joe. It was such a great game!

Well get to work on a Game Design Document laying out the direction you want these sequels to go and present it to Capcom along with evidence that people will want to play a sequel to these franchises. I mean that's got to have a better chance of working than filling out a comment in a survey.
Put in the leg work man!

Can confirm. Do remember Viewtiful Joes sitting in the Best Buy bargain bin, looking for takers at only $5.

Shouldn't have went away from Capcom, then. And nowadays, they're not interested in new games in those series (tho at least Okami still get ports).

After Bayonetta 3, I lost any ounce of respect for the guy.

I would say I love Viewtiful Joe 1 and 2, which I do. I also have traumatic memories of watching my older brother absolutely lose his sh*t with the difficulty of that first game.

Okami 2, please happen...I'll be honest Okamiden I didn't like all that much...like..it was OKAY, but...very forgettable...and I don't think I even finished it. lol

I’d be all over an Okami sequel. Playing Okami again now, and near the end. I’m going after the stray beads for the first time and have nearly all of them. I friggin’ love that game. Except the digging sections. Those can get bent.

@Ruler-Of-All-Evil
You’ll still see people swearing that buying collections will bring us new games when all it’s done is bring us more collections. The MVC collection might buck this trend for obvious reasons but I’d wager a new game has already been greenlit so sales of it will mostly dictate budget and the amount of freedom Capcom has from Disney, but if Disney tells them to push as many X-Men as possible I’m all for that.

I want ports of the first games first.

I would love to see a new entry to either series but right now I would prefer a VJ collection. So I can stop guarding my originals like gold.

@MirrorFate2 Did you not enjoy Bayonetta 3?

I'm a big fan of that game series. Okami on the other hand has aged badly. I can't imagine what they could do to make an interesting #2.

I must say that since he's left Platinum and with all his outings recently, I can't help but think that he's just been lucky making cool games in the past, either due to his team having good ideas or coincidences, but he gives me the impression that he never really knew what he was doing.

@Yalloo I can't say my honest feelings about the game here without my post getting deleted.

@MirrorFate2 No! Man, how sad, such great games all of the 3. I wish I could let you see what I find so cool about it to change your mind ...

@Snatcher
The exact same for me! About three quarters of the way through the game, but it's been about 4 years or so... To be honest, the story isn't that amazing, except for the folklore and cultural details. There is just way to much useless dialog! But I do want to finish it too. I'll probably start a new game, just to get the full experience. Because, let's be honest, this game is beautiful, is a joy to play and is an absolute trip. I'd love a sequel or even a remake of Okamiden in the style of Okami.

@Yalloo maybe I can speak on the issues with Bayonetta 3:

1: The innicial controversy with Bayonetta 3's og voice actor....
2: the artsyle change and attempt to make the game more realistic but came out chunky and clunky .
3: the retcons to the lore and shoehorned in multiverse.
4 character writing.. bayo did not act like the bayo from the past two games I get it's a completely different bayo that never experienced the past games events but she was very performative and not natural.. that and she just sat and watched things happen. And the nerfed kids bop kpop dances

5. A final boss that was barely elaborated on and very one note...
6. Gimmick verses that go on too long and slow the game down and hurt replayability.
7. Viola....
8. Jeannes missions and verses as well as not being playable in the story.
9. Story writing after the late midish point
10 bayo and Luka summoning homophobes to the series...not even knowing it's a different bayo and Luka... They never "married" but they will scream it...
11: killing off bayo and "passing the bayo torch" to viola when it was never a title like that before
12: the arch eves and Adam.... The archs are not a love tale they are confirmed that worlds strongest person... Not all eves are bayos and not every Bayonetta is an eve. That was singularitys definition he didn't create the concept of an Adam Luka created that himself....it's not a love title...

13 the final one.. implying that all 3 bayos in every game is a different bayo when the eyes of books and games themselves and kamiyas tweets prior confirm b1-2 is the same bayonetta. That implied retcons removes character growth and development between those first two games ...

My personal thing is hales performance she did ok.... But she was pretty monotone and spoke way too soft...the accent drops too ...they should've gotten an actual brit that can match the charm and charisma taylor had

Combat is good but that's really it ...

@Vriess Right? It’s a really pretty game to look at, it definitely deserves a sequel just from your points alone. It’s just so long which I don’t mind but that makes jumping back into it..uh a little hard, so for the sake of getting the story in full it’s probably the best idea to just make a new game.

I think I stopped playing it about three ish years ago which sucks because I didn’t drop it because I didn’t like just other stuff came up lol.

Okami and Viewtiful Joe fans might hate me saying this, but it's probably better for him to just move on. Seeing as the core essence of Bayonetta 3 has been butchered, who's to say he'd be at the core directing seat even if Capcom goes with his suggestions? It may just be Bayonetta 3 all over again.

I find the more I'm fond of a character, the more I despise the idea of 'multiple universe' iterations of that character. Just an excuse for random Joes and Janes to treat the original characters like bowling pins.

I haven't played viewtiful joe games yet but I'll be hyped if there's going to be okami 2 😃

@Lady_rosalina This is so cool, thanks for jumping in and writing your comments in a way that it won't get deleted/censored 😁 Love how passionate you are about the game!

It seems that you had completely different expectations of this game than I did.
What I adore above all in all 3 Bayonetta games is the gameplay, the combat/combos, the witch time mechanic and enemy variety. Characters and story are secondary to me.

I'll try to give you my feedback so you can compare with my perspective:

1: that sucked, but artists are tortured people and the controversy here came from the actual voice actress, so yeah - **it happens.
2: each of the 3 games have a different art style, some environments in 3 are ugly and the whole idea of bringing her in the real world was not my cup of tea but Vigrid was supposedly already in Europe somewhere, and it fits the whole multiverse thing.
3: 1 & 2 are full of inconsistencies as well.
4: Bayonetta just sat and watched many times in 1 & 2, nothing new there, the storytelling is just dumb many times.
5: completely agree, but at the same time it was more of a big joke than a serious character imo, but overall he was disappointing in many ways tbh.
6: ok, again just like 1 & 2 (the motorbike, the missile ..)
7: I also didn't like the character or her gameplay but I think it's good to add variety for other people/tastes.
8: Agreed.
9-11-12: Now the story, if you consider 1 & 2 to be a loop on eachother, I'm expecting the same with 3 & 4 so as long as we won't get #4 I don't want to be too harsh judging the story.
10: Homophobe? No idea what you mean.

Also agreed that Hale's performance was not as "involved" as Taylor, seems more recorded in a rush, same with some dialogs. But she was taking the role over, not an easy task.

Now overall I did enjoy the story (with many reserves, waiting for #4), it was nicely over the top, very Bayonetta-esque, entertaining, and even engaging (which the previous two were not). A bit too Hollywood like for my taste, but that's a choice from the developers, why not.

Combat is absolutely great, the demon summoning is a great addition and allows for even more challenging combos, and all of the masquerades as well.
The fight against Rodin doesn't disappoint, even if they could have created more new moves.
Only 3 Witch Trials was a disappointment as well, but considering all the extra challenges throughout the game, it's also fair.
There are so many bonus challenges and achievements that adds replay value.
The music is also really good, maybe not the background music, but all of the main themes are great, and greatly improved on.

So there you can see how my opinion differs. Thanks for sharing yours, and glad you could still enjoy the combat, I hope they make a #4 and it fixes all of the plot/characters/lore for you too. Something better than "that was just a dream" I hope.

Cheers!

I a, very skeptical he has an Okami 2 in him, or at least an Okami 2 worthy of that name. Platinum's made some great games, sure, but none of them have really excelled in the same areas as Okami, which makes me think some of the people most responsible for that game didn't wind up following Kamiya after.

@xzacutor That didn't work for American McGee when he really wanted to make Alice: Asylum. He put in so much work to try and get that game made and EA just brushed him aside with a generic response.

I know these are different games and companies with different people involved, so maybe this idea could work, but I wouldn't bet on it.

We want Okami 2

without our insect

@Yalloo I have many things to say about Bayonetta, too much to fit here...

The story was the best in 1, it was told sincerely, had wild action without being stupid, and with interesting and consistent characters and lore.

2 felt like it wasted time with Jeanne's unnecessary "death", didn't explain properly what was happening or why, too rollercoastery in its level design, being teleported around the place. Only got really interesting when it was tying itself back into 1. I still like it as a game, but the story needed improving.

3 was a mess, not clear what was happening, the villain was a joke, bizarre and inconsistent tone. Witch Time doesn't work anymore. I liked Viola as a character but didn't like playing as her. Bewitchments this time didn't even unlock anything. There was fun stuff to do in it for sure so I don't want to be too negative, but they made a lot of odd decisions when making it.

Please don't.
More often than not, sequels to 20 year old games, turns out terrible, even with the original creators at the wheel.
It's like when an old band, reunites after decades, and their new album sucks, since that old magic is gone.

@TopazLink I very much agree with your point about 1, but at the same time it's the "original" game, and everything else will compare to that one. Gameplay was probably best and tightest on this one. But it's still there, no need to be so mean to the next games because they're different! XD

The storytelling in #2 feels very rushed indeed with many recycled aspects. Gameplay is not as tight but still awesome and nice to have all the new enemies. The timing of the Witch Time is different indeed.

I also agree with you regarding #3 and the vilain, the tone, Viola and the odd decisions.
But overall I wasn't disappointed by the gameplay. After seeing the trailers and everything, that was my biggest fear, especially with the demons and masquerades. Turned out to be a smart move and great fun.

So since the story and everything around it is less important to me, all 3 games are different, gameplay-wise, but I love them all, it's nice to have variations. I really hope we get more of Bayonetta. I even hope for an anniversary game this year, 15 years of Bayonetta with challenges and arenas and all of the enemies from the different games, with trophy-like/amiibo things to collect ... nothing too fancy, but still something a bit new/different to play with and celebrate 😍

@Yalloo This is also gonna sound super negative, but know that it comes from a person that likes Bayonetta and wishes that it would be consistent and live up to its potential.

The story and character interactions are important to me and when that's done poorly it's a disservice to the characters and the world-building. There are fun things to like about the game, but it comes off as shallow and harder to like when the story is told so badly.

There's lore explanations for the story, but not for how the characters behave. They need to put more of the lore stuff into the actual story, because it's cool and interesting and would make things much clearer.

They also need to write the story in a way that respects the characters and how they would actually behave or it's just contrived nonsense where stuff is just allowed to happen when it shouldn't.

I don't wanna be mean, I just want it to be gooooood

@TopazLink It actually doesn't sound so negative, more like constructive criticism/feedback. And watching the last video highlighted here on NL with Kamiya, he admitted being a newbie in storytelling. So clearly he could have used your views.

Further, to be honest, I do agree with you.

Now, it can very well be that I'm blinded/biaised by how much I love the gameplay, but I also don't take the stories so seriously, and I think the main reason is that there is a part of poetry, a part of philosophy, and a part of it all being a joke in these games that allows for me to take it less literally.
Additionally, the main character being so badass helps them get away with many things/poor/strange choices.

From my end, as long as the gameplay remains so fun, they could probably get away with a much much worst story etc .. than Bayonetta 3, but like you said there is a huge under exploited potential for character development, storytelling, etc .. I must agree with you.

I'm playing through the first game at the moment, and it's a delight. I'm curious how the next two will hold up when I get to them next.

The problem isn't whether Capcom is willing to accept Kamiya's offer to make another sequel to Viewful Joe and Okami or not.
The problem is can Kamiya behave himself and act like a professional and an adult.
Also to stay the ***** off Twitter.

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I hope that a sequel to Viewtiful Joe.

Capcom could do what a lot of developers seem to be doing lately. Hire an external developer to remake the original, and then let them develop a new sequel using the assets from the remake project.

@Lady_rosalina "1: The innicial controversy with Bayonetta 3's og voice actor...."
How is that an issue with the game? .-.

Would absolutely love that.

The world needs more Viewtiful Joe.

I still haven’t played Okami yet and I had the game for a few years. Really should get on that.
Also give us a remake of viewtiful joe 1 & 2 please.

@Ruler-Of-All-Evil The real problem is that you also have to get them to be willing to advertise it all enough to actually succeed.

Big fan of both Viewtiful Joe games - I think they were actually pretty ahead of their time and would do much better today if released on the Switch - like most franchises to be honest!

Never quite gelled with Okami. It looks beautiful but felt like very dragged-out and overlong Zelda

More importantly than even Kamiya, Capcom would need to hire Takeyasu Sawaki, Kenichiro Yoshimura and Mari Shimazaki to fully recapture the visual style of Okami, even if they're just brought on in a temporary fashion.

Yes, Kamiya was technically the source of the initial ideation. But now that Okami already exists as a concept, it's become clear over the years that Kamiya lacks the expertise to offer Capcom any actual, relevant contribution.

Unfortunately, even worse than his bumbling nature, he seems to have spiraled into the Shia Labeouf of the games industry, and has become a pariah to all of his peers. For all we know, this could be the very reason why Capcom has avoided any IP's with which Kamiya was closely involved. The optics could be seen as disrespectful to move forward with sequels without Kamiya in any capacity.

@Ulysses At least, unlike Shia, Kamiya did not do sexual battery, as far as we know.
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And technically, Kamiya started Devil May Cry, and it's still living. They just don't want to give Okami or Viewtiful Joe a new director.

They were great games from the 6th gen that most certainly deserve a sequel. Okami shouldn't be that hard of a sell. They re-release it kind of regularly. Viewtiful Joe would require a reintroduction...not sure if Capcom wants to invest in that. My guess is they dropped that idea when Kamiya left.

And I still want to play them.

Viewtiful Joe 3? Bring it! Along with a Viewtiful Joe collection. Add the Wonderful 101 and I’m all set with my chibi super sentai video games

An HD collection of Viewtiful Joe and an HD remaster of Killer 7 would be spectacular.

God Hand. That is all

@Snatcher I love Okami, but I do remember it was too long. At some point, maybe 25 hours into it, I thought it was done. Then there was another 10 some hours. While I love the art and gameplay, I wish it was shorter. I understand that you didn’t finish it.

I thought Kamiya's involvement with Bayo 3 was minimal? He sure is getting a lot of hate from what I'm reading. I thought all of the series he's associated with had him heavily involved in the 1st entries and less so for the sequels.

@Yalloo @fenlix the start of issues with the game....tbh they are better off just creating a new story.... In another separate universe going back to light vs dark fantasy elements.

Also question.... When did bayo sit and watch in b1-2.... She had urgency .. b1 it was playful... B2 whenever something happened she fired shots and cut it off.... If your talking about Jeanne getting hit she acted while Jeanne got pulled to inferno .... While b3 literally just stands there with a shocked face and watches things happen....

But yeah bayo 1-2 the only inconsistency was a moon ish planet getting blown up other then that the game books and story straight up confirm it's the same timeline.... B3 doesn't handle that good at all .... Maybe the 2 bayos that shown up are records of time varients they have different titles vs the og one. And slight changes in the design that help support they aren't the og bayo from 1-2...b2 is missing the watch pin. And has new holes in her earrings

B1 also has accessories and decals gone

Would be interesting. I want a Under The Skin 2 or PN03 2 more so but Okami Den needs a port/remaster. Not just a Okami 2

There is 2 main line and whatever spin offs or the PSP entry/version for Viewful Joe so it got far but not far enough. Yeah some of them do deserve a return.

Sure sure Bayonetta, Vanquish and others exist and in a way Vanessa from PN03 was maybe a proto Cereza/Bayonetta even if ideas from PN03 were made into Vanquish.

PN03 could be remade to fix the level design limitations but the combos/awkward controls I find is it's charm and more fun then a cover system in so many games are today, the tank controls but auto aim is it's own cool angle to thing then the way shooters are these days.

Under the Skin is a great game for a party game about coins and disguises with different abilities and the RE3 Nemesis stuff would be fair I guess still or no? The cell shading holds up fairly well like Wind Waker.

Viewtiful Joe does too with it's artstyle.

Another Godhand would be nice. I mean it's camera angle yet the many moves to customise I find BETTER than God of War, Ryse Son of Rome and Hellblade use of the camera angle up close to the character.