Nintendo Issues Multiple DMCAs On The Modding Site 'GameBanana'

Makes sense. Still sucks though 😂

Really don’t know what case these guys have, Nintendo’s exercising a completely legal, if stupid, right.

Good.
Send more Nintendo Ninja squad to shutdown all the illegal modded games.

From what I can tell, Nintendo recently hired a service called Tracer AI which can scrape the internet for and strike content it deems as copyright infringement. That's likely why we've been getting so many DMCAs lately, between Garry's Mod, Vimm's Lair, and now this. I'm been mostly lenient with Nintendo's takedowns because there's at least been some reasoning behind it (Yuzu was profiting off TotK, AM2R was competing with Samus Returns, etc), but contracting an AI company to spam DMCAs and wipe stuff from the internet all willy-nilly is a step too far for me.

When nothing is in the public domain, everything is in the public domain.

We could be so better if copyright laws worked like they were in the past, with a 28 years duration and the option to renew for 28 more years, if companies wanted long copyrights so much, they could have lobbied for the option to renew two or three times, but they just killed the renewal option to extend copyright to 95 years even when the work is used for nothing.

Mickey just joined the public domain this year, the first taste of something important entering the public domain after decades, and not much was done and it still feels like the character is owned by Disney.

Videogames will only start entering the public domain in 2067, and at first, only stuff like Pong, in a more fair world, a huge chunk of the 1980s and 1990s videogames would be now in the public domain due to abandonment.

Reminds me of hand banana

I am in two minds about this.

Not enough to write an essay here, but I am...

@Anti-Matter Pirating is illegal; modding is not. If you purchase and own a copy of a game legally, you can modify its code as long as you are not redistributing the complete code (pirating) or making a profit from your modding.

@FawfulDX
I don't even think modding the games is right.

@JohnnyMind Same. At least other companies are more willing to work with fans on fangames, provided that the fans make no money off of them and credit the IP holder. I do wish Nintendo would so something similar.

I know Nintendo came out with Samus Returns on their own, but the fanmade AM2R looked amazing. And there's even a fangame for another Nintendo franchise in development that I am paying attention to (I won't say which one, though) that scratches my itch for the kind of gameplay that I always wanted out of the series.

"And so came the great purge came to be. Nintendo sensing fans were modding games and having fun, sent their dark underlings to punish them."

@FawfulDX The problem is that the mods themselves are full of copyright infringement, like putting characters from IPs the modders have no permit to use in games unrelated to those IPs.

@silverdamascus I think that Mickey Mouse or Felix lack of use in public domain is a showcase that prestige probably comes into the desire to use these characters.

These mods are for multi-million or multi-billion IPs. People aren't making much Mickey stuff because they want to use the Mickey that's currently making Disney a fortune in merch. Not the black & white one that's fairly obsolete but people can use.

I'd wager if Videogames entered the public domain already the vast majority of modders/romhackers would ignore those abandoned IPs anyway. Because they aren't prestigious enough to attract attention. Ofcourse someone's gonna mod Legend of Zelda, but would they ever mod Legend of Kay? Probably not even if it was public domain.

What I'd say is people should come up with their own works, not hitching an easy ride off IP that other companies have build up over decades

@Anti-Matter That is such a silly mindset because mods are generally simply extentions to bring more content to a game. Fan made DLC, essentially. Nintendo should embrace it, not fight it.

@silverdamascus The question is, is that only under American copyright law? Because Japanese copyright law is even stricter, from what I hear.

@Dr_Lugae Many romhackers and modders do go to make their own works. Many devs today got their start from hacking and modding well known games.

Modding or fan games is not "hitching" off anybody. It's a hobby with no monetary gain. People just enjoy breaking things apart and fiddling with the insides.

Can't imagine why Nintendo would have an issue with enthusiasts modding the PC versions of SSBU and TotK after buying them on Steam.🙃

@JohnnyMind I think I have mentioned it in the past. A lot of work has been put into this game over the past decade. But if Nintendo gets wind of it, you can be sure the project will be shut down, and all that work will disappear into the ether. It wouldn't even be revived as one of their own projects, even though it would be one of the greatest entries into the series ever made.

The DMCA was a mistake and Nintendo is just as evil as Sony and Microsoft, even if they're evil in different ways.

@Anti-Matter

what is your moral argument against modding games?

@Anti-Matter modding games has been common for a very long time, if anything I feel companies should embrace it more, a game like Sonic Mania for example only exists because of the modding community and the recent Doom ports actually add them to the retail package

@axelhander Evil seems like overkill. I wouldn't say Nintendo is inherently evil. It's a corporation like any other.

If anything it's more of fans putting the company on a pedestal as an inherit good in a world full of rot. One shouldn't mistake the company as a heroic figure.

@FawfulDX the major problem modding Nintendo games is that they are just available on its platform and they don't give any way to backup games, meaning that they've mostly need piracy in a first term.
I like modding and think that companies could be more permissive about them, but in this case nintendo has the winner hand, surely not even official assets would make any difference.

People defending Nintendo - you guys gonna end up on the receiving end the the greed stick one day. Keep clapping - corporations like that sutff.

i would like to see a company take on nintendo and beat them in court for a change..

@axelhander

"Nintendo is just as evil as Sony and Microsoft"

remember when Nintendo put a virus in the form of a rootkit on CDs they published, that would secretly install itself permanently on users' PCs, in order to impose DRM (strictly limited copies of a CD that user OWNS) and communicate data back to Nintendo corporation, and also left said PC vulnerable to further attackers, all without users' consent?

or what about United States vs Nintendo Corporation? classic!

"The U.S. government accused Nintendo of illegally monopolizing the web browser market for Windows, primarily through the legal and technical restrictions it put on the abilities of PC manufacturers (OEMs) and users to uninstall Internet Explorer and use other programs such as Netscape and Java."

İ do not know if you can do this kind stuff but Nintendo can be right. On the other hand Nintendo was always been Nintendo with takedown things like uploaded video's or games music from Super Mario Bros or Zelda games. Nintendo is doing this always.

PlayStation have removed few things to from internet. İ heard it. İ mean not only Nintendo is doing this but İ hear always this kind of things from Nintendo.

İ have nothing from Nintendo games on the internet so İ have never got a problem with it.

Maybe you can do this kind of stuff changed games from Nintendo on the internet. Put it in internet. İ know nothing about this.

Oi... You there, with the mods. No fun. I SAID NO FUN. FUN IS NOT ALLOWED!!!!

IT IS NOT JUSTIFIED!!!!!! IT IS GETTING TOO MUCH!!!!
We are only modding the games that we legally purchased.
the game mods requires you to own the game to use them.
DMCA is govt censorship! that DMCA law need to be repealed

gamebanana need to ban that person who do DMCA takedowns.
block his ip addresses. I wonder who request DMCA takedowns.
I know it is possible that it was some troll or fake reports. simply WE will make another server and BAN nintendo's ip addresses.

STOP PUTTING YOUR MODS ONLINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Seriously I get bored of this, you don't see Nintendo chasing every person that mods games. It just goes after the liggers!

aren't ya'll just tired of discussing these topics? Nintendo is a corporation and will do everything in its (legal) power to deter activities that it deems potentially dangerous to its IPs... SHOCKING!!! UNPRECEDENTED!!! EVILLLLLLLL!!!!

@carlos82 @-wc-
From my perspective, modding the games is like changing the game contents by force.
It can be misused by certain peoples by changing the things inside into something inappropriate.
Imagine if you see modded Mario games which the character said foul language and doing brutal violence or change the Princess Peach looking into naked princess, does it look right to you ?
It's extremely wrong for me.
From my perspective, modding games is like two edged sword and I personally against modding the games since it looks disrespecting the creator by changing the contents by force and it will damaging the reputation of the creator when other peoples who have never knew about certain franchise and when they see the inappropriate modded franchise, they will immediately thinking those franchise are inappropriate things before even realized it was a modded stuffs made by ignorant peoples. And those ignorant peoples who modded the games with inappropriate contents are really sick and pathetic.

Also, another example that really really happened in my country Indonesia.
Here is the case.
In my country Indonesia, there are a lot of modded rated 18+ open world PS2 games (I said open world because I really hate and against this game and I don't want to say the name) with cartoon characters like Mario, Sonic, Upin & Ipin, etc and the ignorant peoples produce mass of pirated PS2 copies of those modded rated 18+ games, put rated Everyone on the cover and the poor kids played those modded games.
Can you imagine how terrible that situation ?
What will you say for that situation?
Are you still thinking modding the games is fine after you realized the ignorant peoples modified rated 18+ games with cartoon characters and sell the modded games for kids ?
Take a look this cover of modded rated 18+ PS2 games in Indonesia I was talking about.

@avcrypt I honestly don't see Nintendo life kneeling at anyone's ankles... they actually post a lot about these topics and definitely don't seem to take a strong stance in support of the company. that being said " when it stamps on people's artistic expression" is hilarious!! Do you hang out a lot on Reddit? seems like your kind of crowd.

@Anti-Matter Modding is always going to be abused by bad actors. It's just the power that comes with creative freedom.

However, we shouldn't lump those bad actors in with the good ones and call for a purging of mods as a result. You should call out bad things, not ask for everyone to share punishment for the actions of a few.

@Anti-Matter you realise you don't have to buy or download mods that you don't want to? You can't just say all of something is bad because their is one small element you don't agree with

@Anti-Matter

Shame. Fortunately no one is forcing you to download those mods.

the mod creator waikuteru has a patreon. I think that's why. Never charge for fan content.

It's within the copyright holders rights to accept or banish fan content. I've heard that it's literally law in japan that fan content has protections as long as the copyright holder turns a blind eye.

Curious as to what the Smash mods in question were... The wording of the article is confusing to me.

Good to hear. Bring down the hammer on these foul people

Why is Nintendo being Nintendo? Nintendo needs to not be Nintendo. They need to be old Nintendo like when I was a kid. Darn that Nintendo. Why Nintendo?!

@Dr_Lugae I say better, people should use public domain characters and ideas, but still be creative, come up with something good that couldn't be made when the IP was private, not just throwing the characters in something cheap and designed for shock value.

Creativity is not just creating something from scratch, taking something that someone else made, but making changes and additions to make it different or even better is why public domain is a good thing.

@Anti-Matter

i agree that some people will abuse any amount of freedom, as you have demonstrated.

OTOH, the logical end of your line of thinking is "no more videogames because look what can happen," which obviously no one (here) wants.

some people will abuse alcohol, and some governments have imposed prohibition of alcohol as a result. we have been down that road in my country and it wasnt pretty.

as another user said, bad actors are the unavoidable cost of creative freedom and general autonomy. 👍 and, those who wish to limit our freedoms will always point the finger at the minority doing the "wrong thing." they pretend to hate them but they are actually a symbiosis, a "necessary evil" for people who wish to be unnecessarily evil.

I appreciate your taking the time✌️as always.

Nintendo keeps dropping the hammer on these emulating and modding entities, and I'd imagine they are well within their rights. Carefully curating their IP and brand is a big part of their success.

The way I see it, modding isn't illegal or even remotely harmful. Even if you're modifying Nintendo's copyrighted IP, there is nothing wrong with tinkering around in private. I think it's the act of publicly distributing said mods that Nintendo will continue to actively stamp out if it's within their power. It's part of protecting their brand. I can't say I blame them!

As someone who typically defends Nintendo for takedowns I don’t see why the take down mods

@-wc- do you have a link to the Nintendo virus thing you mentioned? Never heard of it

Won't someone please think of the children?

@-wc- Anyone who claims Nintendo is even comparable to the evils Microsoft and even Sony are out for lunch. Nintendo may do some shady things or even anti-consumer practices at times... but Microsoft is in a different league. Even Sony themselves are much worse than Nintendo. Such as Sony basically parading around Michael Jackson who has been long dead to sell more singles of songs he never consented to publish... or how they tried to strong arm him in negotiations to scoop up his and the Beatles discographies. Or those really embarrassing leaked Sony cooperate emails from a decade ago showing the massive mistreatment and contempt they had for their own creators and IPs... yeah Sony is pretty damn evil.

Nintendo really hate it’s fans 😒

@-wc- please could you tell me more about the Nintendo drm rootkit thing? I can't find anything searching it, only the Sony 2005 cd rootkit scandal

@Anrei You missed the sarcasm entirely.

@Wexter I think people need to stop befriending companies in general. In doing so you find yourself at a point of being afraid to criticize bad practices or staunchly defend a company as if your life depended on it.

@Wexter I've been trying to research all Microsoft's scandals and controversies but really can't find anything worse than putting literal viruses into people's pcs. Any clue what I can search specifically?

@Dang_69 @Anrei

(i was being sarcastic, it was sony and microsoft respectively who did those things. ✌️)

I dunno if they even are within their rights for things like the randomizer, which shouldn't include any Nintendo IP in itself.

Maybe a lawyer could explain how it even applies for mods.

This company is doing everything it can to make me ignore their next console.

@Wexter

what you say is true! and I agree. 👍

i think the word evil is over- and mis-used, to the point that it's getting ridiculous. it used to be only evangelical types ("heavy metal is EVIL!" "mortal kombat is EVIL!" "rap is EVIL!" "Democrats are EVIL!") but now "evil" basically means "anything that I don't like" which is extremely hyperbolic at best, but generally doesnt deserve to be received as good faith.

but yes, of the three companies, clearly Nintendo is the "least evil." 👍 I mean it's not even close.

@Anti-Matter

So you don't feel that owning something gives you the right to modify it?

All previous generations of Americans thrived off a culture that they could do with their toy/tool/house as they wished, with the understanding that they might void a warranty.

Why should games that they've purchased be any different?

@Teksetter

They also won't let people use skyrim mods on the switch. They certainly don't own skyrim, and it's modding is encouraged.

I don't think it's about the modding. With them, it's usually about not letting any path become available to the public for hacking their system.

Dear Nintendo,

F*** you.

Sincerely,
A Fan

@Anti-Matter I am not familiar with this site in particular, but generally there is a difference between distributing entire ROMs and the method most mods use, which is to distribute only "patches" which update the original ROMs which the user obtains under their own means (thus any "piracy" was already committed outside of the mod author's doing, before the patch was applied).
True that Nintendo could legally complain about both done, but the latter does not cause Nintendo harm so they really don't gain anything except bad PR for doing it. Not unless the content being user-created is something really offensive.

Ya gotta love it! Go Ninjas go!!

@Anti-Matter Your situation is exactly what we want Nintendo to do. Instead of targeting people who are just making things for fun and trying to better what they can do, Nintendo needs to go after people like your San Andreas "dev." They are causing genuine harm to the IP, not something like a Godzilla in smash mod.
And then there's Bethesda who has been allowing modding on their PC games plus endorses it enough they tried to set up a system to get modders paid. It didn't work but they tried.
So yes, whomever made your "San Andreas" thing is terrible, but not all modders are. Some just want to have more fun with what they love and the technical know-how to make it happen.

@Kiwi_Unlimited
You bring up a good point! This morning I was thinking mainly in terms of how Nintendo wants to preserve their IP/brand, but for sure they want to head off any potential routes to piracy, too! I doubt they'd hesitate to shut down distribution of Skyrim mods or homebrew stuff on Switch, when turning a blind eye could lead to widespread piracy. If people really want to mod, I say go for it and enjoy! I hope you learn a lot. But best keep it on the down low, or at least wait until Switch is no longer current gen before spreading your project around.

@Anti-Matter this sounds like an Indonesia problem and not a modding problem. Game Banana exists as a site for individuals to download single mods for personal use, this is not the same thing as altered bootleg copies of games being sold on a black market. Your country should get a better handle on laws, you won't find games like that being sold in many other countries because retailers won't carry it.

@-wc- lol that went over my head...I was trying to reason out if you meant something like ppl trying to run Wii or Wii u discs on a PC thru some sort of emulation and that Nintendo had hidden a virus on them. Guess I'm duuuumb

@Dang_69 kinda proves that people will believe lieterally anything bad about Nintendo, no matter how far fetched

@silverdamascus You do realize that American Copyright terms are actually shorter than the rest of the world? 95 years sounds like a long time but consider that the usual standard for copyright for most of the world is "Lifetime of creator + 75 Years". So in the case of Mickey Mouse, he wouldn't be in the public domain until 2042 if the US used the world standard. Granted, ALL of Walt's works would also be put into the public domain at the same time, but still.

@Anrei Try looking up their anti-monopoly tactics. Other than the usual "Internet Explorer VS Netscape" browser wars, I would look up "AARD Code". A fake error message used in Pre-Release versions of Windows 3.1 to fool people that the DOS they used (in this case DR-DOS) was incompatible with Windows when it actually was.

@StarryCiel May I have a source on this claim? Not saying you're lying, just need a hunch at the most.

@FawfulDX Modding is technically illegal as laid out in "Micro Star v. FormGen Inc." in 1998. Though most companies either turn a blind eye to modding or give their blessing to allow modding, mostly for PR and financial reasons. (Legal Wack-a-Mole is VERY expensive, even to huge corporations)

@NatiaAdamo USA also has the death of the author + 70 years copyright.

It's just that corporate works have a 95 years copyright after publication, the death + 70 rule is only when the authors keep the copyright of their creations, when the copyright is owned by a company, which is the case with the biggest IPs, then it's 95 after launch.

Also, works in USA released before 1978, have the 95 years after launch even when not corporate-owned, that's why the works of George Orwell are public domain in Europe, but not in USA.

Excuse me while I hop over to Mega to grab all of these mods. ***** Nintendo

@NatiaAdamo During the Garry's Mod takedowns, some of the DMCAs came with the email shown in this tweet, https://x.com/brewsterkoopa/status/1780255004747595782, with mentions both Tracer AI and the company's address. The fact that the recent Nintendo takedowns have been uncharacteristically sloppy (taking down certain ROMs/mods but not others that are theoretically just as offensive) means some think they could be done by an AI.

Nuances are always lost in this kind of "conversation". People just pick a side based on emotional response alone. For instance, modding your own game and distributing a mod of a game is not the same thing. Legal emulation and illegally bypassing hardware protection is also not the same thing.

I love gamebanana. Nintendo is crap for destroying the fun of gaming for profit.

@Anti-Matter

"Imagine if you see modded Mario games which the character said foul language and doing brutal violence or change the Princess Peach looking into naked princess, does it look right to you ?"

Yes, yes it does. It does look completely right to me. I see nothing wrong with that if that's what they chose to do with their time and energy. They clearly have this mental image in their mind already. They clearly are capable of communicating this mental image to others. Restricting formats in which they can achieve that communication is, in my opinion, completely unethical. Your moral standards do not apply to anyone who isn't you. You're free to disengage from the process. But you've no right to impose your beliefs on others. If you don't want people to create ideas about your creation that you don't approve then you should never share your creation with others.

"From my perspective, modding games is like two edged sword and I personally against modding the games since it looks disrespecting the creator by changing the contents by force and it will damaging the reputation of the creator when other peoples who have never knew about certain franchise and when they see the inappropriate modded franchise, they will immediately thinking those franchise are inappropriate things before even realized it was a modded stuffs made by ignorant peoples. And those ignorant peoples who modded the games with inappropriate contents are really sick and pathetic."

"Changing the contents by force" is how culture evolved throughout entirety of humanity's history. Someone has idea. Someone shares that idea. Others add their own bits to it. The idea changes, evolves. Splits into many different pathways. You may not approve of all of them, but you have no right to deny anyone their creative freedom. Whether it's a masterpiece of art or naked Luigi. You don't get to chose what ideas other can have and express. People who think they have some moral authority, some divine right to police what others can make are, in my opinion, really sick and pathetic.

Try to look at your arguments with a bit of a distance and see that they boil down to "I don't like it therefore nobody should be allowed to do it." Please realise that this exact line of thought can be applied to every single word you say.

The issues specific to Indonesia that you bring up have nothing to do with modding and everything to do with selling bootleg copies of video games. Which is an issue that has been happening for as long as home consoles have existed and happens regardless of modding.

@-wc- I literally said they're evil in different ways, guy. Come now.

Though if you want to play that game, we could bring up using emulation while fighting it, abusing the DMCA, ruining a guy's life for a non-crime, and so on.

@StarryCiel I can't seem to dig up anything on Nintendo using Tracer AI, so I remain a tad skeptical. But if true, Nintendo needs to ditch them and offer an apology and such to the fans.

That being said, everyone should be shaming and criticizing Tracer AI and bombard them with complaints about how shoddy and sloppy they are and not let up with it, ever.

@Kiwi_Unlimited
I'm different.
I'm Indonesian people, not American people.
I live in different culture.
Maybe from your perspective modding the games is fine, but it is not fine from my perspective.

@Boodger
Well, that's Indonesia my country.
There are still a lot of peoples selling modded games in pirated disc, open their business by selling jailbroken games service by copying into the hardware, CFW service to hack the machine, etc.
Sad, isn't it? 😟
Indonesia is a PlayStation lover country, there are a lot of Indonesian peoples love to play PlayStation games and surprisingly SONY expanded their official branch in my country Indonesia, exactly at Jakarta so we got official SONY product including PS5 Asia version with waranty from SONY Indonesia (my PS5 Fat machine is Asia version with waranty from SONY Indonesia), despite there are still some Indonesian people like to mod the machine and hack the games. Nintendo never open their branch in Indonesia because they knew my country Indonesia is not a right investment since a lot of Indonesian peoples like to play with pirated games and illegal modded machines.
But there are also some Indonesian peoples providing original games and original hardware for the original gamers. That's why I still able to get original games and original machines from my hometown Surabaya and other Indonesia city.

In the case of mods, Nintendo wrote none of the code, so the copyright, in theory, would belong to the author of the mod, and not Nintendo at all.
If it was considered copyrighted to begin with.

@GoshJosh We can like and respect the individuals in the company or even how said company generally operates, but companies will never be your friend. At the end of the day the only people they report to are their shareholders and employees. But, realistically they only care about their shareholders.

I generally respect Nintendo for treating their employees well, being against crunch culture and generally releasing games in a humane way. But, I generally don't agree with their treatment of emulators and mods. Even though they're in their legal right to do so.

Not everything is black and white, but indeed companies are not your friend.

@gsilver they own the game the mod is modifying and legally mods are in a dubious grey area. Here's an article that generally explains the situation. https://iplaw.allard.ubc.ca/2023/11/24/legal-risks-for-modding-in-video-games/

@axelhander

you are entitled to your opinion, but it was the "just as evil" part that i was lampooning, regardless of the "different ways" part which doesn't really make the first part any more defensible. 👍

I might agree that they are all "evil" but the notion that they are "just as evil" is ridiculous, sorry. one man's opinion! ✌️

@-wc- No such thing as "lesser evil" in capitalism or politics. Just because they engage in different types of evil doesn't mean there's value in trying to math out which one is more in the wrong.

Of course, all subjective. Not intending to suggest otherwise.

@axelhander

there are most definitely "lesser evils" in business and politics, but I can agree that "mathing out" can be a waste of time. 👍 and, "lesser evil" is not necessarily a useful term. you can objectively identify differences in actions, rhetoric, and outcomes, while "evil" is not really a thing.

I feel that I can see the differences in our example here, and in politics (at least in my area,) with no math at all required.

thanks for keeping it friendly, I hope I've been able to do the same. 😊

@jsty3105 that's why I asked for a link! I was scanning the the comments and missed the context you placed it in. Nintendo is big on data collection but I found that hard to believe lol.

You can't play these mods without a modded system and modded systems can play pirated content. Fan translation mods got around this by releasing patches to ROMs.

@axelhander We say "lesser of evils" as way to accept that even if the lesser is bad, it's not as worst as the worst bad.

Evil itself is just evil. However, there is different tolerances of "evil" society accepts for the sake of comfort and convenience. In this case, Nintendo is "evil", but when compared to the worst offenders, Nintendo is easier to live with.

@Anti-Matter

Fair enough. I was in a hurry when I wrote that this morning and also didn't account for this being a British site, either.

But I definitely accept that different countries have different values.

The problem is, in order to mod these games, you need to be able to get the games off original hardware. And that means piracy, and it's a big no-no for Nintendo because their business model is great games on THEIR platform.

Nintendo probably doesn't care so much about the modding of the games so much as the fact that they're being played on PCs, and the mods encourage more piracy.

Nintendo ruining any sort of fun online.

At least now i have a fullpack linkle MOD and overhaul music pack better backup now

@Dang_69 It's ok

The problem people seem to be ignoring is that Japan's own copyright laws are at fault here, they don't have anything in their copyright laws related to fair use. Nintendo is just following their own laws, nothing wrong with that.

Things like this are why I keep pirating Nintendo games, I'm done giving them my money. They actively hate their community and continuously have problems. I'm sick that this ***** ***** corporation was my childhood. It doesn't matter if they're technically in the right legally, the have a massive track record of hating their community. I will encourage anyone to boycott Nintendo until they actually become a halfway decent company.

@Dr_Lugae Good points made. I mean to me I care about the left behind shooters (their 1 mechanic the games story/worlds and otherwise are so generic couldn't care less) of 7th gen or the left behind platformers/racing of 5-6th gen because their mechanics and characters are so good but people care about characters and IP/branding or nostalgia/emotional attachment then they do mechanics or other details. I praise games if they are good, not because I had emotions to them.

I'd mod Glover or Space Station Silicon Valley or Chameleon Twist or any racing games like Sega GT, Alfa Romeo Racing Italiano (love that RPG/rewind system with 'depth' that Grid/Forza Motorsport 3 simplified to the continued use it is today and nothing new for years sigh) if I knew how but most people don't care.

For how rushed PN03 was of a Capcom GameCube release to Under the Skin on PS2 being great in it's own way. Many underrated titles big or smaller devs/publishers have great ideas but most people can't see that only whatever easily appeals broadly to them or too similar to others.

Many of I like of games through research no nostalgia. They are good enough games but still. Those that lack deserve the modding in a way though then games I think do a fair enough job but even then some can still benefit.

So I mostly ignore some Indies of those genres because they are too fan game or too similar and nothing excitingly new just a replication of it so close it's surprising of rip offs. Competition is just sad these days with Hades clones so close it's a joke to many other games in other spaces. Whilst 5-6th gen you had to make a more distinct game. So the less distinct the more inspiration to a tee they get it's hilarious but also follow the same pitfalls. It's like Lord of the Fallen people said it had the same issues as older Dark Souls game that were then fixing those aspects. Some devs just don't learn, some Indies don't learn, we see the same design pitfalls happen or lack of experimentation.

The Gran Turismo 4 mods have impressed me what quality of life they offer besides the assets ones. The quality of life ones i respect more as it's something other games in the series 'had' but never followed up on all the time on and off it happened but not consistently. Like the menu jumping of GT1 & 2 quick access ones, and 5 sort of had it but they dropped it. Yet we got the GT5 garbage level gating pushed further. Amazing to see their brains work. Sigh. I can't say each game isn't different but still hilarious some proper developers besides modders/fan game developers.

It does suck but yes copyright does matter and asset using. People would want the big more valued ones then the others out of public image or not as impactful or the ones 'they' care about because people don't care about the others at all.

It's why I barely care to watch what collectors/nostalgia groups say is because I already know what to expect so why bother if I hear/see the same IPs or hear the same things. Too much nostalgia and emotion then care for the design as much or making their code/assets count for something when I can go elsewhere and find something more exciting or fresh but old or new and exciting with games that have passion in them not the passion for a loved IP and barely making anything of it because they can't be bothered to offer anything else and audiences eat it up.

Seeing a Sega Rally clone was enough to make me disappointed. Audiences eat it up because they are stupid. Can't say anything of it looks cool but wish it had some good ideas to make it stand out as people don't care.

It's why I can think up ideas for the Wii U but most people either hate it or are nostalgic and a waste of my time because I look up how tech works, love the console but see more from it being possible and they have nostalgia making them just not worth it.

Game developers that try, actually think about their development. Others are too stupid and just borrow or learn how it works but can't be anything more than that, not thinking and thinking of what to make off reference.

What the heck!?

I understand them going after emulators and such, as it can be deemed as piracy (weather it is or not, is another subject). But targeting mods?! That's a very low blow.

@PinderSchloss Oh ok bye.

@WiltonRoots No. I want them to get better instead.

@PinderSchloss They'll never fulfil your needs I reckon, best to cut your losses and move on, it will improve your peace of mind no end, knowing Nintendo will never stress you out again. Give it a go, see how you get on.

@WiltonRoots So you think something only stresses me if it affects me personally? I don’t like injustice and there’s too much of that with Nintendo these days.
My joy con never worked since launch. They ‘fixed’ it three times and still refuse to replace something I spent my hard earned money on. I, in turn, refuse to buy something I already paid for. So I’ve never used handheld mode on my Switch. Gee, Nintendo, thanks for making a hybrid console. I’m so glad to make all these graphical concessions to not be able to play handheld!
I could just let it slide because it only affects me, but they’re probably doing this on a huge scale, and that’s basically stealing people’s money.
People need to speak up more. But as I said before, there’s talking mushrooms and pink dresses so why would people bother with justice, right?

@DrUnfunny Thank you! Boycotting can seem like pissing in the wind but it would work if everyone did it. Let’s hope it can inspire others.

@PinderSchloss Speaking up in here won't change anything, you're not actually speaking directly to Nintendo, you're speaking to a small group of hardcore folks, it's more of a little social club, the vast majority of people who visit this site don't even look at the comments. Even less look at the forums. They look at the ratings and leave.

For every one of you who has problems, there's hundreds of thousands of people who have none. If you tried to muster an army to fight Nintendo from in here you'd be lucky to get 12 people. This place is a tiny little pocket of enthusiasts that doesn't represent the outside world. If I was to talk to people outside of here about the dramas that kick off in here, I would get blank stares. I don't, because it's that trivial. Small scale in the game of life.