Nintendo Reportedly Briefed Activision On 'Switch 2' Back In 2022

Thats good enough, with the Nvidia upscaling tec, it can look almost the same as ps5 (visual) if done right.
Saw what it did with the AMD upscaling. Its amazing, you dont need a powerful machine with that, but still have the same graphics.

I’m already bored of Switch 2 news. Give me Switch 3 news!

@burgerkingsauce You say that, but upgraded Switch talk and rumours started in 2017 when the damn thing came out.

Switch 3 rumours will begin before this thing is even revealed

@burgerkingsauce Don't we have to endure Switch 2 Pro first?

Activision is a trash company but they did still support the Switch better than other companies such as EA and Rockstar so yeah they would get word on next gen sooner than other developers

I wonder what will really be under the hood. Supposedly those demos were running at 4k and 60 fps. Maybe PS4 pro level?

When did Nintendo brief Activision on Switch Pro though, 2019, 2020? 😂

Man I can’t wait to see this bad boy.

This is believable. Nintendo loves using last gen's tech. It cheap and it works. No need to worry about "red ring of death" issues that you see in the new tech.

This could be part of the reason developers continue to support PS4 and Xbox One.

Comparable to PS4/XB1? wow, let's move backwards please.

Some of my wild fantasy of Switch next machines:

Switch U is a bad idea name, sounds like the sibling of Wee You Wee You Wee You... (Ambulance siren) 🚨
Switch 2 is too PlayStation style.
Switch 360, obsessed with RROD much??
Switch ONE, is it XBOX joke ?!
Switch HDS, when Switch have dual screen in HD 3D 4K 60 FPS. 😂
Switch exponent 2, too Mathematics.
Switch NGL (New Generation Lite), Not Gonna Lie.
Switch 002, are you robot prototype?
Switch Deux, Bon jour Nintendo...
Switch Too, What Too heck ??
Switch 2.0 , very cool name.
Switch II, the Wii sibling.
Switch Gestalt, when your Switch can transform into different things like Eidolon FF XIII...

@Unit_DTH @Shade_Koopa Don't forget that the Switch is a handheld. To reach that level in a thin battery powered device it will have to be using fairly recent tech.

Well people look at this...
This clearly contradicts the previous "leak" about Switch 2 being "as powerful" as PS5.

This is so much more realistic than those previously bogus "rumors and leaks". Switch 2 will 100% NOT being even close to PS4 Pro or even less to PS5.
It will be max being slightly more powerful than PS4 as the best.

Seriously a hybrid console with PS5's power will max having 30 mins of battery life . It also will easily cost +$2000. There're some ultra high-end handhelds out on the market which are at PS4 Pro level and they costs around $1500.

Switch 2 being at PS4 level is a HUGE uppgrade for the majority, it's just a tiny but extremely vocal group of 8K/400fps/ray-tracing snobs on internet who complains about everything.

That Switch sold 130m in just 6 years and some months (PS2 only managed with 100m in 6 years) is a living proof of that the majority doesn't cares about realistic graphics and 4K or 8K.

Super Nintendo Switch!

SNiS.

Would be a nice name. Catchy.

@rjejr, read the article, it says when it was.

Also liking the Super Nintendo Switch name.

Guess DLSS/RT or combo is coming to Switch all for the better if not for the battery itself. And with all the rumor found about the color buttons and names of former "Super" console names seems likely this will be called "Super" Switch. Sounds fitting to the Nintendo scheme of things.

Didn't all this come out in the original coverage of the M$ vs FTC case a few months back? I don't see what is new in this story. Are NL reporting on a Verge click-bait article?

@Haruki_NLI tbf most of that was "Switch Pro", not a true successor. But I think some people are desperate for Ninty to keep up with the competition, specs wise lol

I hope it's not true. I know the focus of the switch is not graphical fidelity, but being on the level of consoles released in 2013 is pretty pathetic. The Switch already suffers with performance with a lot of 3rd party games, releasing a new console this weak in the middle of this gen would make it very limited on 3rd party support. It was the downfall of some of their other consoles.

It -better- be as strong as PS4 and XB1.

We've seen a 30 to 50 fold increase in compute power since the those machines had their chipsets defined.

Conveniently, their power consumtion were set between 70 to 300 watts, depending on the models of each. While the Switch sits at 8 to 16 watts. On an already 7 years old chipset.

Roughly, this means a new Nintendo handheld EASILY can have a leg up on PS4 and XB1 in power and chip architecture. And it won't necessarily have to cost more than the Switch currently does.

@Keman There is no leak that says Switch is on par with ps5. DLSS could help Switch 2 get a lot closer to ps5 even with around ps4 specs, which is probably what you've been hearing.

I want a killer Nintendo System!!!!on par with old ps4?!!!That’s not enough! Give us a proper machine that’s on par with ps5! I wanna experience some next gen gaming too but won’t buy ps5 pro. PlayStation had ps4 then ps4 Pro, PS5 and now PS5 Pro, so ps4 today is way too behind in tech! I would rather pay 500-600 even 700, for new Switch once in 7 years than all the stupid iterations that make zero difference overall. Give us a system that kicks Steam Deck right in the balls and that starts crying like a puppy! We Want a killer adult badass Super Nintendo console!!!! Anyone with me? I want to repeat the era when Nintendo had the most powerful console for some time and exclusive third party games like RE4 launched first on Nintendo because it was the more powerful system!!!!!!

I was never expecting it to match even the Series S, but I do hope it at least lands somewhere around the middle between that and the last gen consoles. Keeping up with the rest of the industry is more important for third parties than for Nintendo itself, so unless the "Switch 2" has some other mind-blowing features, there's not much point in an upgrade that can't even run decent versions of current cross-gen games.

I'd be surprised if it was only as powerful as a base PS4, which is 1.8 TFLOPS.

The T239 rumoured to the in the Switch 2 is supposedly 4 TFLOPS, like the PS4 Pro or SeriesS.

It's possible that like the current Switch, it runs at half clockspeeds in handheld mode, which would put at at 2 TFLOPS, ie very close to the base PS4.

If it is only PS4 level in handheld mode, it's still great. I have a SteamDeck which is almost PS4 power, and it is an amazing handheld. Can run almost all but the newest AAA games at 60fps if you don't mind lowering the settings. For example it runs GTA 5 at a solid 60fs at medium settings.

Hopefully it is more powerful than a base PS4 in handheld mode though, especially as it's going to be launching a couple of years after the Steam Deck. I hope you get the full fat performance undocked, like the SteamDeck.

PS4/One power would be amazing on a handheld. The Switch DESPERATELY needs this performance upgrade by now.

Can't wait for discussions about Switch 2 Pro in 2025.

@EaglyBird
That was good man! I'm here on the edge of my seat eagerly waiting for a follow-up!

This sounds more believable. This increased speculation does give me vibes of Switch’s “NX” rumors back in 2016. The latest Direct finally convinced me that Switch NG (guess I’ll use the official codename) should be coming next year after all. It could be announced in February, March, or at least a shareholder meeting sometime in Spring.

First of all, confirm backwards compatibility. Then we’ll talk.

Can't wait. Also I hope they don't mess up with the name. I can't imagine how the switch 2 will look like or what the Nintendo Gimmick™ will be this time around.

I think it’s definitely possible that the specs have improved since what was mentioned in December 2022. I am expecting docked mode to be close to Xbox Series S which would be fine by me.

I also wouldn’t be surprised if it has two screens!

Personally I hope the Switch successor will be more like PS4 Pro/Xbox One X level power wise to ensure it can get some (good) ports of PS5/Xbox Series X games down the line.

And I think it will actually be possible as Steam Deck is now more than 2 years old tech and that's somewhat more powerful than a base PS4 when the games are well optimized (at least when you play the games in it's max resolution of 800p (1280x800 pixels).

The Switch successor will probably release april 2024 at the earliest. It won't be as big and chunky as the Steam Deck, and the production costs will probably only be 2/3 of Steam Deck as Nintendo wants make money on their hardware (as per usual).

Gabe Newell (of Steam) said during the announcement of the Steam Deck that their price point "was hurtful" (and from what I understand they lost about $100 per unit they sold).

Nintendo don't want to loose any money at all. They want their hardware to profitable. But with the technologically advancements by april (or maybe a bit later in the fall 2024) I still think it's possible to make it PS4 Pro/Xbox One X level power wise.

Lookin forward tbh, Switch Next Gen has a nicer rign to it tho lmao.

Only at PS4 level? That's not enough imo. That's over 10 years old. I'm not expecting PS5 level but something between PS4 and PS5 would be great. I'd be happy with games being 1440p 60fps with a fast ssd and 16gb of RAM. The handheld screen can stay at 1080p if needed

I don't care either way but the "Pro" mob is gonna be irked. As long as it is BC with Switch and is OLED I am good. I do hope the new system (which I don't expect until 2025) gets more fighting games though.

so guessing when this thing is announced-
1 Jan. announced, May release, spring partner showcase.(switch 1)
2 spring announced, late summer release(Aug.), regular June direct.
3 June announced, "holiday"(Nov.) release, Sept. partner showcase.
hoping for 1.

Pre-Switch people spouted off Nintendoomed comments because the Switch would be comparable to PS3/X360…and here we are with what is now, 130m sales later?

If Switch2 is closer to PS4 in terms of power-that wouldn’t be a problem.

Plus, the power game is losing ground, imho, each generation. The leaps from Gen3 to 4 to 5 to 6, appeared much bigger then Gen 6 to 7 to 8 to 9.

I'm not going to lie. If the NG Switch is PS4 levels of power (I would probably think it's like 2 PS4s lol) then I would be extremely happy. If the DLSS can inprove frame rate and resolution, then as long as developers don't go too ambitious, then it sounds like it's going to have some great games. I'm sure we will see the odd miracle PS5 port. And digital floundering will be there to cover it.

Nvidia should outfit Switch NG's chipset to continually update its DLSS software over time. That would be truly ideal. One update adds frame rate improvements, a later update adds lighting improvements, etc., all increasingly available as the years go on.

The best thing is if Switch NG's specs are built around easy porting. From UE5 to automated optimization, making third-party porting much more easy on the hardware level would go a long way to keep third-party support competitive.

Yes, let's call it the Switch U. Five thumbs up.

I'm still interested in their shared docks idea where each dock can output data to boost other docks. That's some cool future tech. Maybe have the systems share their DLSS info so they can upgrade it as more games get added? Just one of those patent ideas that would be cool.

Also, I'm in the Nintendo Super Switch category, but I feel like that's just going to be their internal name for it which makes me weep.

@Johnny44 "read the article, it says when it was."

I read an entire article and made a proper comment, you read my 1 sentence and screwed it up. smh 😂

Just b/c we don't post as often @Haruki_NLI doesn't mean we still don't havr to deal w/ silly replies. 😉 Do you really only sleep 3-4 hours a night? That ain't right. 😢

@Keman This doesn't contradict any serious previous leaks. What has been said is the next hardware will have tech such as DLSS to leapfrog to resolutions such as 4K. You don't need actual PS5 level specs to get comparable resolutions and such.

@Znake no RE4 launched first on GameCube because Nintendo paid Capcom for the luxury.

After sales were mediocre across multiple games Capcom quickly pulled out of the deal. To suggest RE4 launched on GC first because it was the most powerful hardware is just ludicrous.

Luckily Nintendo are not running a business to please the minority like yourself. Releasing a console £500+ would be financial suicide as it would bomb hard.

How many times does this need to be said. Nintendo will not be releasing a console to match MS and Sony. I seriously fail to understand that people cannot accept this.

The Switch 2 will be the perfect spec for the price range it is sold at. PS4 level totally acceptable for a handheld machine.

Just realized your post maybe you having a joke by the way. I hope it is as it's totally bonkers.

@TSR3 From what I remember, Bobby Kotick said he "expects" the Switch 2 to be comparable to the PS4, but he claimed to have not seen the final specs.

So this is like an elaboration on that prior news.

@rjejr but it says December 2022 so why are you saying 2019, 2020? 🤔

TL;DR Verge needed more click this week. And so did NL.

@GrailUK we're already getting "odd miracle PS5 ports", partly due to many devs having yet to find uses for PS4-PS5 spec gap that wouldn't boil down to bloating resolutions and pushing VFX sliders (Cerny's vision of faster load times changing the level design philosophy is a legitimately plausible future but still largely future nonetheless). As for the successor, Steam Deck is already in the ballpark of PS4 Pro spec-wise; "Switch 2" will presumably aim to corral its appetites within more appealing pricetags and battery estimates, but it will also come out that much later and have the estimated benefit of a more portable-friendly architecture plus an equally estimated lack of ballast like bulky launchers or desktop environments.

I like the people dogging Nintendo's use of 'old' tech. Its total BS, and ignorant, because the Tegra chipset was not that old when N employed it in 2017, and Nvidia actually created custom dev libraries for it that helped squeeze far more out of it than they were getting with Shield TV. That's why devs were able to put projects on it that no one believed would be possible. GPU is not just about performance, sure the Switch might have had the raw power of a last gen system, but it had modern GPU features and libraries to support it. Same will be true of this next chipset. Its going to use DLSS for near 4K look and word is ray tracing will also be supported. So while the raw rendering will be last gen numbers, it will indeed produce far better results. Also the Switch is a small form factor hybrid that is running on mobile SoC.....that configuration is NEVER going to have the same power as a full home console. Its not possible....Switch runs docked on 30W of power and handheld like 1/3 of that.....Your Xbox X/PS5 is likely pulling more than 200W. What should be lauded is what Nintendo, Nvidia, and great developers have been able to accomplish on such meager specs and power consumption. I know its gonna be a nice kit though I expect the price point to jump to $399 at launch, my only real question now is what will the BC be like or will it even be BC at all. Fingers crossed as wouldn't be great to run Switch v1 titles with patches that give 4K and FPS improvement like we got with ps4 pro.

I know Nintendo doesn't "need" to put out top tier hardware to compete with Sony and Microsoft, they proven that 1000 times over, but just once I wish they DID put out top tier hardware so when I play a nintendo game I can feel like I'm in the current gen, rather than the last gen, for the first time since SNES.

@nhSnork Dammit. I want a Switch 2 (Once my wallet recovers from Christmas!)

I don't expect any third-party AAA titles to come tbh .....PS4 is still low considering how old that hardware is now.....and with that it won't be long for Sony and Xbox to come out with newer hardware after the switch 2... it's still behind

@QuickSilver88 I have to agree with you. Switch was underpowered compared to where the industry was, but not for it's form factor. It captured the imagination of consumers and sure, it's showing it's cracks now, but I don't think it's fair some seem to be thinking they were there all along.

@kobashi100 I don’t know how old you are, but RE4 was Gamecube exclusive first- if you are fur against you obviously have zero knowledge about gaming history. Also, Gamecube was more powerful than PS2 until X box came out- but Xbox came much later so it wasn’t really same gen competitor. Also not sure if you understand economy, but people with lamb thinking like you will always pull the creativity and market down- no insult- I know reality might be different, but I would bet that if enough population demanded a powerful hardware and was willing to pay- Nintendo would release stronger hardware. It would make more sense- imagine how many people actually buy each iteration?! So in one generation people easily spend more than 1000,- USD for N console! Why not price it 500,- and get a really powerful system! If you like underpowered consoles than stay quiet please, I am only writing this to people that would like the same as me- and more people -more influence- everything is about monetization and marketing-nothing is impossible if there is demand.

I just watched the MVG video where he shows his jailbroken OLED Switch running BOTW at a locked 60fps. It is amazing to see! It also makes me hopeful that the next Nintendo console can do 120fps. I personally don't care about battery life (I'm fine with plugging in my Steam Deck) and at least would like to be able to prioritize frame rate while cranking up the fans. I remember having a modded PSP and being fascinated at how Wipeout Pulse could more reliably lock at 60fps while plugged in. Also, 720p looks perfectly fine on Switch and when docked into my small 32inch 4k TV. I used to have a 48 inch OLED, and 720p looked great on it too. The main thing was having motion interpolation and black frame insertion turned on. Those features transformed games into beautiful visual sights to behold. Thankfully my little 32 inch TV has those features, so I'm always boosting 30fps Switch titles up to a smooth motion experience that looks like 60fps.

@GrailUK like I've said before, I don't particularly want a Switch 2 (what I have backlogged ans wishlisted on Switch 1 could last me for years to come, and that's without other platform backlogs factoring in), but with my wallet being already tasked with monthly Deck loan payments for the next 30 months, it would take me grinding my software and probably all other hobby spendings to a borderline halt to save up for yet another gaming device, and "Switch 2" sounds like the only option that could realistically compel me to do so.😄

@kobashi100 also learn to adequately respond. If you say ps4 specs are sufficient you must be a kid. switch is only this successful because it had huge third party support. Now less and less games with be coming out on ps4 so that would doom the Switch. It needs to be able to handle at least ps5 games to run smoothly and considering how many people hate 30fps in many games and low draw distance- Switch 2 needs more power to stay relevant and be as successful as Switch. Even some ps3 games on current switch have trouble running ok, plus ps4 is 10 years old!

@Johnny44 Me too. That is a perfect advancement I feel!
Main thing I want to know....will Switch games work? It is a major difference between early adopting and really not being bothered for quite some time. Just too much still to do and play with the Switch for me to think about upgrading otherwise.

@Anti-Matter switch-a-roo

Thats what its gonna be called😂

Oh boy, more rumors. Until Nintendo actually comes out and presents the specs these articles accomplish nothing of value.

And if the new console isn't BC or let me port over my existing library (small as it may be) then it's a hard pass from me.

Suuuuure they did. I also heard a rumor on them there internet that Oprah hangs out with Jesus!

@Znake

The tech demo showed off the new Matrix game and that is running on unreal engine 5......you power w***** just don't understand that anything can actually be made to run on anything. The Switch 2 will likely be aiming for 1080p rendering and then use DLSS to push it to 4K. Various demos and tests have shown that combo produces very nice results that to most people are hard to tell apart from higher render rates. I remember people with the same arguments on Switch and they all fell flat as it got many competent ports of current and last gen games. Fortunately Nintendo, Nvidia, and smart devs know more than you do about how to get games running on lesser hardware. The Switch would have gotten non of them if it wasn't a huge commercial success, which is why Nintendo can't put out your dream system.....wouldn't sell 100m+ units if the price point isn't right and isn't getting any 3rd party if it isn't a commercial success.

@Lady_rosalina

I wouldn't be so sure about that....they said the same thing about Switch and how many 'impossible' ports did it get? Quite a few and a they run and play nicely. I think that is why they showed of the Matrix demo which surely will look better on PS5 level hardware but the point was the system will run Unreal 5 and can run (even if scaled back) version of current cutting edge games, also when you have a console that is outselling everything for years that tends to get devs motivated to figure out a way to scale games to it.

@KramersMrMarbles

Never gonna happen if they stick with the hybrid concept. You can't get the same rendering power off of a system designed to run off batteries and you can't get even close (like SteamDeck) without charging a much higher price. Switch was outlandishly successful because Nintendo hit all the right notes with form factor, power, and price (and then their legendary game development)....that's why it is heading into year 7 and has sold over 100M units.

When the switch came out it was somewhere between ps3 and ps4 in power and came out halfway between ps4 and ps5. In other words 1 generation behind.

If the power of switch 2 is comparable to ps4 halfway through the ps5 life cycle, it'll be one and a half generations behind.

Third party developers will be reluctant to put their games on the platform due to the difference in power and unless Nintendo have some other trick up their sleeve, I can't see it being as successful as the switch.

@EaglyBird I read all of that in Chuck's voice.

I don't know what's more interesting. The fact that these internal discussions took place, or the fact that we now have an official placeholder title for the successor, dubbed the "NG Switch"

@Johnny44 "When did Nintendo brief Activision on Switch Pro though, 2019, 2020"

This article is for the Switch 2, which everyone on here knows is not the same thing as the Switch Pro that was supposed to launch 3 years ago.

This article about the Switch Pro is from 2020.

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/09/online_retailer_adds_mention_of_switch_pro_consoles_but_does_it_mean_anything

@ModdedInkling

LoL.....I thought that as well....though I was kina hoping for Super Switch Pro v2.0 myself. Nintendo usually has some quirky feature advancement each generation so what I want is the 3 form factor Switch VR....can be played portable, has a dock for TV, and comes with headgear you can drop it into to play VR....now tell me that wouldn't be cool.

@QuickSilver88 come on, I am not arguing against you, but I hate when some of my favourite games run much worse on Switch! Yes Switch got some great ports, but that was a huge minority plus these games only ran 30fps. Not all developers put all their effort into making a good port, and with more power it gets much easier! I don’t really care for graphics that much but look at things like low storage and how physical games lack content because of storage limitations. Of course balancing a system with good battery life is hard, and naturally art counts for more than textures, I just don’t want history repeated and see that games on switch are severely downgraded over other consoles. I would not mind if the graphics all turn into cell shading to preserve power, but I want all games to run smooth 60fps, and no constant pop-in! Also want Nintendo to manage to fit all content on Cartridges!!!! It’s so disgusting to sell physical games that have a fraction of the content on the physical media! I don’t care for 4/8K, that’s for kids, but even first party Nintendo games had issues already at release!!!! That shows that always relying on couple gen old tech can backfire! I also dont want PlayStation but would like to see that Nintendo can handle really high quality ports and no excuses there.

so Switch sucessor is really gonna have a graphical/techinal power equal or closer to PS4. so VGC/Eurogamer lied about the tech demos, a portable PS4 cant run what VGC/Eurogamer reported.

I would like a tv console only version as an option next to the switch and switch lite. I love the switch, but it never leaves my dock. 😂

@Keman to be fair, I don’t think the rumor was that the new Switch was as powerful as a Ps5, but rather, that the games look just as good and run as smoothly as a Ps5….just guessing that they managed to accomplish some things technically to achieve similar results with less power.

@Giancarlothomaz A lot can happen since this communication. If the hardware has gone from DLSS 2.1 (which is where we were at with speculation around that time) and now they are using 3.5, then I dare say there could be quite a sizeable gain from that (though I'm no techhead...)

Bobby Kotick is an ass. I don't care if his games run on a Switch: I'm not buying them.

I hope the hardware specs are somewhere between PS4 and PS5 plus upscaling technology to feel/look similar to PS5, but more efficiently to enhance battery life on the go.

@Znake

Hey....I at least got you to moderate your position. LoL. I am gonna agree with you on the carts with huge downloads. That is more on the cheap arse devs and I think the pandemic sort of froze the price of memory from falling as fast as it normally would. Thankfully Nintendo managed to never do that as when a game needed a larger cart, they used one. I was impressed when Switcher came out as that needed a 32GB cart and the dev used it. More and more discs and carts have become DRM dongles which sucks, and it sort of sucks more for Switch because its supposed to be a portable system. Thankfully Switch did use MicroSD which has gotten super cheap (in the US at least) to put lots of storage in for digital or those large 'updates' for carts. Switch ended up getting far more 3rd party support than I ever expected it to. I figured even if it was a success its library would end up more like 3DS or Wii which was great Nintendo games, a few last gen ports, and a few original 3rd party developments. Also agree some of the ports were bad and just cash grabs, but a decent amount were impressive. I personally think they should have gone with an enhanced dock model that had a second GPU and extra RAM in the dock so that when docked it could run higher resolutions. Heck another cheaper possibility would have been to just have it clock up a lot more when docked and added extra thermal solutions to accommodate. Even without those considerations its no problem to push the OG Switch to full clocks docked (I have done it for years with no ill effect) which helps games that use dynamic resolution stay locked at higher resolution, and helps load times as well. Nintendo just always errors on the side of caution with thermals which is why they have never had an X360 Red Ring debacle.

@rjejr

Yeah I think we likely would have gotten a Switch pro if not for the pandemic and the fact that Switch just kept selling like mad all the way until the present day. The Switch v1.1 is using a more power efficient chipset that when modded you can actually overclock to 2GHZ on the CPU, and 1GHZ on the the GPU as well as higher on the bus. I think we would have gotten something like that with more Flash Ram and the OLED screen. Once the window for a true mid-life upgrade passed I think Nintendo starting working on what we will get next year which will be a true leap in what a hybrid mobile chipset system can offer. I hope Switch 2 has BC but I sorta think it won't and that Nintendo will keep Switch v1 around a few more years as the cheaper little brother system. Rumor is it will use different cartridge tech, but heck they could put two slots on it like how the DS had a GBA slot.....I really hope we get an official announcement right after the holiday season (they won't do it before as why kill another banner sales holiday).

@HammerKirby
I wonder if the misconception was from that rumour about FFVIIremake "looking on par" with the ps5 version or something similar, which seemed to be discussing things like upscaling from what i gather, implying that the games used that tech.

@GrailUK
im not much of a tech-head either but the idea of a game looking visually better without putting as much of a strain on the performance aspect is appealing.

though i imagine that games with "graphics" and "performance" options will end up more common at least, FFVII remake on ps5 was one of those, its default option was the mode which runs at 60fps but it also has a mode with improved resolution and whatnot that runs at a lower framerate though i much preferred the former due to how the gameplay felt better.

also makes me curious if it has backwards compatibility (which i sure hope it does) that some games will benefit from the specs, i dont mean something like a game which runs at 30 suddenly becoming 60 since that would need a patch (like sonic unleashed got) but i imagine it means a game could hit its target framerate better, going back to ps5 i played my ps4 version of FFXIV on it and it definitely was improved, it no longer chugged when in areas with lots of players and it was much quicker to load new areas and dungeons (i havent tried upgrading to the ps5 version yet though its free iirc if you own it on ps4)

really for me my main hope is that the system remains a "hybrid" rather than forcing players to play a game a specific way.

(also apologies for the ramble)

@RenanKJ
looking at your profile pic (as of this message) makes me hope we can get native KH ports on the system.

but yeah, around those specs with upscaling tech and more efficiency sounds ideal for a theoretical next-gen switch.

@Paddle1 iPad, steamdeck, steamdeck-like devices... comparable to PCs. I also understand that they want to keep costs down for consumers, but this seems a little, um, behind.

Not serious at all, but it's a fun thought:

Two screen clamshell, stereoscopic 3D

3D Switch-2

3DS-2

@QuickSilver88 we've had a handful of them..... mind you a lot of them being late ps3 early ps4 gen ports.... how many modern gen AAA titles came to the switch? We've skipped alot

People still trust the Verge 🤣 either way I generally ignore all rumors even confirmed til the Direct as I want actual surprises.

@rjejr Yeah I only get a handful of hours per day. Not good really

The tech inside the Switch is 10 years old so people thinking Switch 2 will be the same as PS4 are crazy and wrong

I just really really really wish they will call it the Super Nintendto Switch. It would harken back to one of my favorite consoles ever.

Switch Pro rumours are like April Fools Day:
Trust no one.

My guess is the Switch 2 will be more or less the power of the ROQ Ally, though probably a little lower-powered (say 85% the graphical power) to save on battery life (since the Ally only lasts an hour on graphics-heavy titles), and also lighter than the Ally (my guess is 450 grams). That puts it at better than the PS4, and due to faster memory and other cache and instructions-per-second improvements, will be as fast as the PS4 Pro without the brute force of that machine (similar to how the XBOX Series S is faster in practice than the Xbox One X, despite lower graphical power on paper). So you're looking at a GTX 1060 (Max-Q) in your hands, running at 1080p on a crisp OLED display (I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo just kept the Switch OLED's screen).

I also guess that the Switch 2 will do something / have a functional capability that nobody saw coming, and that will make it the talk of the town, because Nintendo is always throwing new ideas into the mix. And it won't be called Switch. Nintendo won't re-run Wii and Wii U.

@Znake wow so you didn't read my post at all. Where did I not say RE4 was not released on GC first? I simply said your reasoning was completely wrong. It has nothing to do with the hardware power and was simply down to money. I purchased a Japanese GC the week it was released so yes I was deep into gaming in that period. Like I said on my post. Capcom had a get out of the deal with Nintendo if sales of software were not achieved and they used it ASAP and cancelled exclusive Nintendo software. Just face the facts and move on with your life. Nintendo are not gonna release hardware on the level of its competitors. It's clear as day and has been this way since the GC flopped. You and scream and moan all you want. It's not happening dude.

@QuickSilver88 the dock boost might work but the problem might be that the gap between handheld and tv mode would be too big and some game might end up playable just in tv mode. Over clocking is a temporary solution but don’t forget overheating will impact the internal components and their lifetime, so long term that would not be an ideal. For some people who don’t want to buy two new gen consoles and already own ps4, if Switch was just comparable to ps4 it’s hard to justify the purchase too if you are getting the same level tech-of course it more about games, but I just wish Nintendo would go a little more overboard to at least make sure all next gen games with have 60fps at least. Also this will be the last Nintendo system I will buy, so I kinda wish they went out with a bang:/

@EaglyBird Take a deep breath. It's going to be ok.

Having a hybrid console with the exact same specs as a PS5 is likely impossible without huge price increases and significant cut in battery life. One with PS4 specs, plus the bonus of rendering to give PS5 like performance/graphics, could be a great compromise and allow for a lot of great games to come over to the console. All I honestly hope for now is backwards compatibility.

@Pat_trick I feel like we say that with every generation, and with every generation that is exactly what happens. Nintendo matches more or less with the power of the previous generation, while the new generation is already halfway over.

It disappoints me too, but I guess they know what they're doing. The Switch was awesome.

If it's as powerful as a PS4 and has a 1080p screen, then I'd be happy. I wouldn't like it if the games resolution were to output at low resolutions on handheld.

Also would like it if it had an SSD. Cut back on those long loading screens.

@Paddle1 oh, I'm aware. Tech has gotten smaller and more efficient in years but I'm not expecting anything major. I'm fine with seeing the new Switch handheld with more RAM and a better CPU. That would be more then enough for 1080p gaming. Nintendo has always been able to put out great First party titles with less hardware.

When did people get so obsessed with specs? Were people upset when the DS didn't match the power of a PS2? No. Were people upset when the 3DS didn't match the power of a PS3? No. They sold well due to their game libraries. Presumably the new Switch is a handheld too. It's a mass-market handheld! Of course it's not going to be on par with the PS5. If you want the highest power possible, then buy a custom PC. If you want the highest power consoles can offer, buy a PS5 or Xbone. If you want the ability to play on the go, buy a Steamdeck or Switch.

Comparable to PS4 would be a disaster. Surely Nintendo must aim for an approximation to PS5. That system will be 4 years old by the time Switch 2 arrives, and Nintendo is talking about comparable to something released another 7 years prior? Give me a break.

Why the hell is Nintendo even talking to Activision when they constantly ignore Nintendo systems!

Hard to believe anything before we actually see it... Even if the Switch 2 is "only" as powerful as the PS4 and XB1, it would still use way more modern architecture and it would still be good for a portable system.

Don't understand why that would be a problem either. Switch came out a few years into the the PS4 and XB1 generation, and it still outsold both.

@HalBailman The PS5 is massive. Not going to work for a portable handheld.

@Paddle1 No one said turn the PS5 into a handheld; it's the idea of Switch 2 comparable to a PS4 that's a farce. Switch now is between PS3 and PS4 and, so Switch 2 must be between PS4 and PS5. At least aim for PS4 Pro level! I just hope the report is misquoted as other rumours have suggested closer to PS5 standard. Remember, Switch 2 will be 4 years into the PS5 life, so it's not like latest tech or anything. May as well keep the Switch going.

Take it from the guy who named Super Mario Odyssey, Switch 2 Fall 2024 and more powerful than PS4!

Just be backwards compatible, please.

That's good, as long as it can get 1080p when it's on docked mode I'm ok with that. And I hope the loading time is quick too.

@kobashi100 sorry man, but wrong reasoning?! I don’t think so. RE4 struggled and had to get downgraded for ps2. Obviously Cancom wanted to show off and it would be just natural they would release on more powerful hardware. Why the exclusivity stoped is a separate issue. Can you show me where did I say any reason why camp on cut the exclusivity? Plus learn to use comas- starting with NO can make it look weird. And learn to read between the lines. Naturally nobody is expecting a portable ps5 if even don’t can’t do it. But it should be at least on a level between ps4 Pro and ps5, with computing power to handle complex situations, optimised rendering distance to avoid pop in and stable 60fps even for ported 3rd party games. If you want a weak system with issues like the current Switch then please stay quiet! We want a quality next gen system.

I'm glad people stopped talking about a hypothetical and stupidly named "Switch Pro". But I'm already getting tired of hearing about that Switch 2

@Keman well said bro!

First, this clearly debunks the previous "report" that Nintendo showcased their next gen hardware on Gamescom. Why would they take their next console there anyways, behind closed doors, so that "insiders" can leak it? When they said it had 4K, that was obviously a lie. It was a very stupid rumor to begin with. Now, this is, like others pointed above, a more accurate description of the console, and that's exactly how Nintendo would actually handle the presentation of next gen hardware. Being at PS4 level of power will make it, easy to develope, because most likely it will keep the same development structure of the Switch, and will help to keep parity of 3rd party releases on the console, as it has been with the Switch. And, I like the name "Switch NG", that sounds like a name Nintendo would come up with. Oh, and also, a 2025 release is more obvious assumption, making games with new kits take time people.

@Haruki_NLI Good thing you're still young. Though I suppose not as young as you used to be. Even you must be pushing 30 at this point. 😱

Oh in case it's not a thing over there "pushing" 30 means you're almost 30, not that you are already 30. Figure you must still have a couple of years left, but covid time screwed me all up. Well that and my brain is pushing 60. 😩

@QuickSilver88 Covid probably had something to do with it, they couldn't get the quantity of chips they needed at the price they needed to pay, but I think they also couldn't justify having a Pro b/c it wasn't going to do anything the Switch couldn't. PS4 Pro and whatever that Xbox was called existed to do faux 4K checkerboard for people w/ 4k tvs and Switch Pro probably wasn't going to be able to do that. New 3DS has about a dozen games 3DS can't play, which almost makes it more of a next gen console that anyone wants to admit, but I'm not sure Nintendo wanted to leave the Switch install base for 1 or 2 Pro games.

So I do think OLED was supposed to be the Pro, makes more sense to charge extra for more power rather than just a new screen and an Ethernet port in the dock you aren't going to use b/c you are paying extra for the screen. But then they couldn't
get the chips, and/or there was no "Pro" abilities to really market. Handheld screen can't go past 720 no matter what, that's a physical reality, and Nintendo is pretty good at solid 30 or 60fps. So what is the Pro gonna do to justify the cost and marketing cost that Switch can't? 🤷‍♂️

So it was a plan, but it was a plan that made no sense from a marketing and/or financial perspective so they didn't go through with it.

Going forward next gen I do think there will be backwards compatibility like the DS to 3DS for the carts but I can't count on Nintendo to not screw up the digital part. It would really suck now that Nintendo has brought the vouchers back to the US if you can play a physical cart in the next console but not the digital version but this is Nintendo so I can't 100% trust them to get it right. I do think they would let us play on an old Switch and a new Switch like we already can if we own two Switch, we have 2 in our house that 3 of us game on, but it was so convoluted for Zelda TotK that my kid went out and bought their own copy of Pikmin 4 after I already bought a copy so they didn't have to deal with jumping through all of the hoops all of the time. And that's what I expect to happen w/ Switch 2. Which also means to do it we'd have to continually pay for online cloud saves. 🤑 But the carts should work, no reason not to. Which is good for us, we borrow a lot of games from our local public library. 👍

And we could hear about it this year if Nintendo plans to launch it in the winter or even early spring like they did w/ Switch and 3DS, both March. You can't launch a new $400 console - no way it's anything other than $399.99 or local equivalent in my head - without giving people 5 to 6 months notice. So if we don't hear about it by November it won't launch until summer or fall.

Switch announcement October 20, 2016

Of course Wii U was already dead by then and Switch is going strong so an argument could be made they'll wait until after the holidays but I just don't think they can w/ a March launch.

I think they'll drop both Switch and OLED after current inventory runs out but keep making $200 Lite for the kids. Though that's really just a hunch, no rationale explanation other than that probably won't try to keep 4 different Switch models on sale at 1 time and Switch OLED is too expansive to drop the other two.

But it's all gotta go down next year, I'm buying nothing in this direct.

@electrolite77 "End result will be it lands between PS4 and PS5 in terms of actual performance while having a low power draw."

So, PS4 Pro? 😉

Sorry man, couldn't resist. 😁

And yet you have people still denying that Switch 2 is a thing coming soon, even if soon means next year.

This is pretty disappointing to be honest if true. I’d like the next Switch to be on par with the Series S, especially as the next console will be massively compared to the Steam Deck. The PS4 came out in 2013? That’s already 10-year-old hardware which is expected to last another 7 years or so, right when the next gen consoles will be moving on I imagine. The only negatives with the Switch is it’s processing power and 3rd-party support! The Switch 2 is a really good opportunity to catch up to the pack.

@electrolite77 that’s way too naive way of seeing it. What you are saying is that even though there were issues, just because you manage to get by it’s ok?!!! So passing school with medium or low grades is acceptable for you? This was the first hybrid system- issues were there, and most of them affected gameplay. If you blindly wanna defend Nintendo, you must be a simple minded child. Last gen was a lesson and issues needs to be fixed- not repeated- which would happen with your approach. Switch was severely underpowered and even ps3 games struggled with frame rate, more power is easier for developers too. Pop in can be very annoying and draw distance needs to improve- what you can’t see can cause issues, right?! And it’s not ok when first party release title for brand new console already is choking itself! Joycons are cheap piece of crap-next gen needs high quality analogue sticks, and cartridge storage is a joke! People want the game they buy on the cartridge- completely, not partially! Also you don’t look far ahead! Imagine what games will be launching 3-4 years from now on ps5- and Nintendo will need to have a system that handles newer ports that run without issues in the future. These are facts and if Nintendo wants to succeed with next gen, it needs to fix past issues. Those who don’t learn from the past are forced to experience it again, and making the same mistakes in new generation would ruin Nintendo! Because even some issue went to legal courts! Nintendo can’t afford to make the same mistakes twice!

@burgerkingsauce Enough of Switch, gimme the NX already!

@rjejr The switch screen is pretty big, more than enough for 1080p. There are phones with smaller screens and 1440p resolution. I can tell the diference whenever I play in handheld after playing on tv, even if the game is just 900p.

@RaphaBoss I think the Switch 2 could get a 1080p screen b/c the manufacturers are like "sorry we don't make 720p screens anymore" but I think Nintendo would be ok w/ 720p.

Reading back over my comment (b/c I forgot what I wrote that you were replying too) I did say I didn't think a Switch Pro would do 1080p, I do think a Switch 2 having 1080p would make sense b/c of manufacturing and it would be a nice marketing point. Marketing would be important if they drop OLED to save some money at least they can say "yeah we went back to LCD but at least it's 1080p". Don't think Pro would have ever gone 1080p, it wasn't necessary. Now it might be.

@electrolite77 Wow 14 years and the paid Mario Kart 8 infinity symbol and NL still did you like that? Maybe that Znake guy is the new Quorthon or Sligeach, feels like we haven't had 1 of those in awhile, thankfully. 😩

@electrolite77 Whoah what did I miss? I glimpsed in here earlier and thought "homeboy's coming in a lil hot!" Not used to that level of aggression in here...

@electrolite77 Hey nice insight on the niceties the past few years, I'm embarrassed to say that hadn't occurred to me but it makes so much sense, all of the hostility going on while the Wii U was crashing and burning and then quiet while the Switch soared. I'd like to think if Super Switch 2 is just a more powerful Switch then there won't be too much to argue about but I suppose if Nintendo goes full blown Nintendo and makes the Switch 2 look like a waffle iron or something then it's gonna get nuts again.

Switch 2 be like

@Lady_rosalina

Yeah I have to give it to you on that front.....I have been surprised considering their relative level of support that UBI didn't try bringing one of the new AC games over, but I am pretty thrilled (as I am old and old school) about the the new PoP 2.5D game. I was also surprised that in the Batman collection they are bringing the latest game as they always said that wouldn't be possible. It will certainly be interesting to see where the spec ends up on the next Switch but I do think it will be viable for even more ports because DLSS really is quite impressive in what it can do so as long as the SoC can do solid 1080p rendering they will have it looking almost like 4K. More importantly in my mind is they give it enough RAM and assuming they use carts be it a new or same formfactor, that they find a way to make larger cart sizes affordable for devs because you aint bringing these modern 50GB+ games over on measly 16gb carts, and in the entire life of Switch there have been very few games that even use 32GB cart (Switcher).

@Znake

Was just mentioning to someone else that if the next gen system sticks with carts they have to find a way to make larger carts available to devs at a reasonable price. Its beyond me why they can't do this as I can buy microSD at retail dirt cheap per GB now so read only cart memory at the quantities that Nintendo can manufacture it at should be cheaper. I only know of one game (Switcher) that even used the 32GB cart size. I hate it when carts essentially become dongles just for launching the game, but most 3rd part went with 8GB carts and did just that, forcing large downloads which is also slower than hell when coming from Nintendo's servers. If it using a newer NVidia SoC with all their latest bells and whistles I think it will be fine power wise, but they need to make sure it has enough system RAM and put in there mind that 32GB carts need to be the starting size and then it will be more viable for current AAA ports.

Oh yeah and in regards to your comment on GC.....you are exactly right cube was actually quite potent rendering wise, far better than PS2 and even on par with xbox....its bottleneck was the mini-DVD drive allowing only 1.3gb per disc, which limited texture size and quality, while OG XBOX was the first system to ship with an HDD. Still that little optical drive was a marvel as the Cube had the fastest load times of any disc based system ever. I am a collector of old systems and games and also a modder. I revisit old systems occasionally when they get new mods and I can say without reservation that the Cube games have held up over time incredibly well.....not even close as most PS2 stuff just looks like dirt and XBOX looks like clunky PC ports. A lot of Cube games had 480p support and on my old 1080p 47 inch LCD (that TV upscaled great I must admit) they look just great even by today's standards. They also look fricking incredible playing on the GamePad on a modded WiiU. Cube was the best of the not commercially successful systems, with the Dreamcast being a hair behind.

@QuickSilver88 totally agree. I just worry 32GB won’t be enough. Yes, it’s so annoying when the cartridge is just a dongle with forced download and it’s even more stupid when you can’t play the game when it’s actually downloaded but you still need the card in! With Switch success if they have really large orders for micro sd production, I don’t think the cost is very high anyways.

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