Nintendo hacker Gary Bowser – who, as part of the infamous Team Xecuter, distributed hardware and software that allowed people to run pirated games on their Switch consoles – should serve five years in jail, the US government is arguing.
The proposed sentence is found in court documents relating to Bower's ongoing case, and the US government argues that a 60-month / five-year sentence would reflect "the nature and circumstances of the offence, the history and characteristics of the defendant, and the need for the sentence to reflect the seriousness of the offence, to promote respect for the law, and to provide just punishment... to afford adequate deterrence to criminal conduct" (thanks, Eurogamer).
In addition to this, the US government suggests that Bowser should be placed under supervision for three years following his release.
That's an extraordinarily long sentence, and one that Bowser's legal team feel is unfair, given Bowser's degree of involvement. Bowser's lawyers claim that he was "the least culpable" member of Team Xecuter, and point out that the others involved haven't been brought to justice. Therefore, Bowser is feeling the full force of the legal system on his own.
They argue that a smaller jail term is more fitting:
This is a serious offence in which Nintendo suffered substantial monetary loss. A sentence of 19 months for the least culpable of the three charged defendants, under the circumstances in which Mr. Bowser has actually served that sentence, is significant.
Bowser's lawyers have also questioned the amount of money he is said to have gained from his Team Xecuter exploits. They estimate he collected $320k over seven years, while also claiming that other members of the piracy group made significantly more. indeed, the sheer volume of money flowing through Team Xecuter is what caused the US government to step in and take action.
To sum up, the US government adds:
This case is unlike any other criminal case known to the government. Mr. Bowser deserves a higher sentence... given the size and breadth of the Team Xecuter conspiracy, which lasted for years and included multiple types of circumvention devices.
The next step will be for a judge to rule the length of Bowser's jail term. Bowser has already agreed to pay a $4.5m fine as part of this case and has also accepted a $10 million fine as part of Nintendo's own civil lawsuit.
[source eurogamer.net]
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So long, Ga(r)y Bowser!
Sounds reasonable, now at the prison he will have a very good time and learn his lesson.
I wonder how Nintendo feels about the sentence?
Bowser vs Bowser
The old out-dated term term: Jail-breaking is, because of Sony and Apple, not a criminal offence.
Because of Sony and Apple, we are allowed to mod out rightfully purchased hardware.
Just because some people used it in a bad way doesn't mean that he or the people he worked with are at fault.
It's like saying the inventor of nuclear fission is at fault for nuclear weapons!
Nintendo should HIRE this guy to help fix their messed up code/hardware layout that allowed this to happen in the first place!
Most sane companies do!
Why are the US courts involved anyway?
This is a Japanese company.
This should be handled in Japanese courts!
Bye-Bye!
@Spider-Kev
Nintendo of America is US-based.
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There is no such thing as just punishment, punishment helps nobody and stops no crime.
This is madness. There is no way that video game piracy should result in jail time.
This should be in the civil courts between Nintendo and Bowser.
@Spider-Kev
I think you're the joke xD
@N64-ROX
You do the crime, then you better be prepared to do the time.
@Spider-Kev Try out the edit button, bud. Useful tool.
While I agree that Gary Bowser did wrong, this statement in Nintendo's defense is disingenuous at best:
"This is a serious offence in which Nintendo suffered substantial monetary loss."
Nintendo didn't lose anything. They are riding high on their highest sales numbers ever. That's not a loss, so much as it is "money we feel we should have gotten."
@Spider-Kev That's the most mildly racist thing I've ever heard from someone named "@Spider-Kev".
@CharlieGirl
If Nintendo lost money or not, that I'd say you don't know. I'd say there is a good chance they lost a lot of money by a substantial number of Switch-owners downloaded/pirated their games for free instead of paying for them. Nintendo got a solid case here.
@CharlieGirl I don't wish to be rude or argumentative, but I just want to point out that even if nintendo made 20 billion, if with out this guy they would have made 20.001 billion, that is still substantial money and a loss.
If someone burgled Elon Musk and took $1000 (I believe he lives stateside but not certain), he was still burgled even if it is a negligible amount to him. Where if someone stole $1000 from someone else that would be more noticeable, still the same crime.
@Noid I think he made lots of money out of breaking the law, he is due to paying the price.
That said, I agree with you that they are using the punishment to make an example out of him. That's barely useful to anyone
Haha courts go brr
@HotGoomba
What was racist?
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Now you're serving time with parole! Nintendo parole!
@Spider-Kev You really have no idea what you're talking about. You better hit the books before you end up in the same cell as Bowser.
Is 5 years really a substantial sentence for a crime that courts have already put a price of $4.5m.
In 2022 it should be clear that you don't mess with companies. They will hunt you down, and they got the funds and monetary resources to do so. It seems you're likely to receive a lesser sentence involving anything that actually harms an individual person, than what you get if you mess with an Ltd.
As a Corrections Officer, I hope he enjoys the horrible food lol
Me eating grapes at walmart without buying them: THIS IS FOR GRAPE PRESERVATION! YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ART OF GRAPE GROWING.EVERYONE TRYING TO STOP ME HATES PRESERVATION.
Now if you don't mind, I'm going to go preserve my neighbor's car.
Nintendo should serve time for the asking price of the SO "Expansion Pack". If they put half the effort into making their legacy games available (for actual, permanent purchases tied to their accounts) that they do in litigation against pirates and emulator sites, this would be much less of an issue.
The key here is that they were selling their hacks/mods and they were also distributing pirated games.
People can legally hack/mod their consoles and provide said hacks/mods for free to others. If you start making money out of it though and you also distribute pirated software, you are in for a nasty surprise.
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@icomma
Criminals stop doing crimes, then we don't have to lock people up. Things were A LOT worse in the US in the 70s-80s when there were no tough on crime-policys. Imprisoning criminals isn't really the problem. That we can see now when California lets thieves off, crime skyrockets.
@CharlieGirl
Imagine you had your best year of work ever, you made another half a time more than you normally would.
Then I break into your house and steal all your crap.
When you start complaining about it I say "HEY! You made way more money this year than you ever have! You shouldn't be complaining!!!".
Its amazing how much the eat the rich type are willing to eat people richer than them but how much they wouldn't wanna be the one having a poorer person eating them lol.
These stories bring out the weirdest opinions. Grow up, people. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.
@RasandeRose
This.
These people don't understand how letting one person get away with one thing can open the gates to letting millions get away with it.
Example; my mother was an enabler, rest her soul. She enabled my brother and his drug habit. It didn't take long before his drug addict friends were over to the house asking her for money.
Other examples would be how phone scammers will literally keep scamming the same people over and over when they realize they can get away with it.
These kind of laws that protect nintendo protect me and my intellectual properties from thieves and they've saved my ass more than a few times from piracy.
Uh, no. No one should be in prison for five years for a non violent crime. A lot of people here are saying “he shouldn’t get away with it”. You’re absolutely right. Paying $14.5 million for a crime that netted him $320,000 sounds more than fair to me.
@AugustusOxy
Im pretty sure that tough on crime do work. As long as people know the rules, that their particular criminal lifestyle might result in doing serious jail time, then I can hardly see how it's unfair or morally wrong to sentence them harshly. They have the option to quit the lifestyle of crime.
a five-year sentence is pretty harsh, yeah he messed up but a sixteen-month sentence seems like plenty enough.I get that he did wrong but he also has a life, a family. he was part of a team, right? idk I like avoiding topics like these but those are my two cents
@RasandeRose if tough on crime worked America wouldn’t have one of the largest number of prisoners for so long. Even accounting for the long prison sentences. Reoffending and a growing prison population run counter to this argument. Intuitively it makes sense to the general public who aren’t going to read up about it and as a policy it plays well during elections.
Victoria England hung poor people for minor infractions such as stealing and crime continued to soar as did the rate of capital punishment. Would indicate underlying issues generally push people into crime or make people unsuspecting criminals
nah man, prison is meant for people that pose a threat to society, this is purely a financial crime against a single corporation.
The monetary sanctions should be enough.
Also, I am a buyer of this man's products, so I feel for him.
He delivered great some work!
@meeto_1
It works as crime declined greatly in most of US when more or less general tough on crime-policys was introduced in the 90's. Sure, the criminals has been locked up in great numbers since then, but that's not a problem. Criminals paying for their crimes is NOT a problem, it's proof that the policing actually works and gets results. US is a greatly diverse country, there will always be high crime in a country like that compared to small northern countries. That can't be changed. The important thing is that it works to lock criminals up. They can't do crimes in the society while being locked up.
Wasn't Gary the one that hacked his way onto Nintendo's servers and downloaded their ROMs (the "Gigaleak")?
That is a significantly more serious issue than developing the Switch mods (which is a bit more hazy as whether it legally counts as a crime, dependent on how they did it.)
Wow, that’s terrible. Fine him to high heavens, but don’t attack his freedom.
America, where helping people do what they want with hardware they purchased gets you five years in prison, but crossing state lines to kill two people with a gun makes you a celebrity.
@AugustusOxy I apologize for upsetting you but I agree with your wrong is wrong statement 100%. That was the whole point of my thought experiment. The thief stole $1000 in both cases and therefore is still the same crime (the last line of the comment).
@Arkay I’m sorry but I laughed way too hard at “commiefornia,” that was pretty good lol.
Good..
@icomma oh, I guess that makes sense. Sorry, I must’ve read something wrong in the article…
@AugustusOxy Where on Earth do you get $10 from? The SO base price is $19.99 US, with the "Expansion" it's $49.99 per year. Now you're entitled to invest in whatever you feel is a just and reasonable price, but IMHO asking more than double for a smattering of unevenly emulated N64 games as well as Genesis games you can OWN via any number of superior compilations on any platform at less than a single year's expansion subscription price...now THAT'S insane.
I get that subscriptions are all the rage right now, and if they work for you then have at 'em. But from a corporate perspective, as with pretty much every trend the industry has pushed for the past half-decade in particular, subscription models are about one thing: eliminating consumer rights of ownership and control after the original point of sale. Full stop. And even though it may not appeal to you personally, the ability to purchase games, including legacy titles, is still very important to a lot of us.
Word of advice: don't count on Nintendo or the rest of the industry to act in your best interests or those of the hobby if they see an angle where they can profit more from (one tiny example: NFTs). These guys are NOT your friends.
Typical argument by lawyers in these circumstances ... but still ridiculous. He was the least culpable. The least culpable made $300,000 or more from the crime. That's like being stopped for speeding and saying other people were speeding too. No sympathy for pirates.
@Spider-Kev you do know that there is an american branch for Nintendo right?
@Spider-Kev from what I’ve heard, they were selling hardware with pirated games pre installed, and promoted them as such
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@Spider-Kev This is exactly right. It sickens me to see so many people on the side of Nintendo a company that has been absolutely horrible to its competitors for years. Also, the right wing "tough on crime" nonsense.
@Spider-Kev
You certainly got a lot of attention for... not bringing up common knowledge. You sure you're not trolling?
Pirating Kid's games is worse than smuggling drugs in the US.
Imprisonment of this magnitude sounds like it's more meant to prove a point rather than make up for crimes. I'm not against Bowser's imprisonment, but it makes me wonder how high that bar is set for someone committing a non-violent crime to face time in prison.
I wonder who else was on team Xecuter? Perhaps Gregory Ganandorf? John Wario? Percival Dedede?
@Noid
If that is true how come I see a news story weekly of a robbery or murder committed by someone who got free bail for crimes. You don’t want to spend time in jail then don’t break the law. It is a simple concept.
@icomma
So we should just let criminals run around the streets because it isn’t fair. If you make the choice to abuse, rob, kill, or any other major crime then you deserve jail time. And yes what bowser was doing was a crime.
@Noid
Punishment is a crime deterrent, and paying a penalty for laws broken is how societies function without falling apart. No punishment, no deterrent, society collapses.
In my opinion, this sounds too punishing for what he has done.
@JaxonH @blindsquarel Look up the Halden prison in Norway. Treating people with respect makes them want to treat others with respect back and realise their wrongdoing, treating people with cruelty makes them think the world around them just wants to leave them to suffer (which is correct) - actively rehabilitate and forgive, or just perpetuate the cycle for karmic kicks? our choice.
I’m not against his sentence, it was well deserved. What bothers me is I personally know of cases in my hometown that people get a 2 year sentence on child abuse. I wish all punishments would justify the crime.
@icomma
Laws apply to everyone, regardless of who the perpetrator is, regardless of who the victim is. The same ppl who are always criticizing companies, then when someone makes a logical rebuttal, they say, "why are you defending a billion dollar company?" As if that somehow makes them automatically wrong. Ppl defend what's right and just, regardless of who it is. Otherwise your morals mean nothing.
If a person high up in a company or govt breaks the law and gets caught they get prosecuted too. See Blagojevich, Enron, Bernie Madoff, etc.
@ModdedInkling
Nonviolent crimes can get insanely long prison sentences. It just depends on the scope of the crime. Embezzlement has seen incredibly long prison sentences, for example.
Pirating a rom will likely result in probation (assuming they even bothered to prosecute). But pirating and selling games on the global market to the tune of millions of dollars? That's a whole other category of felony, there.
@Noid
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think treating prisoners like rats is the right thing to do. I thought you meant just hit them with a fine and let them go on their way. But even in the harden prison you still need to pay for what you did. But before you commit a crime you always have a choice. And choices have consequences. Making the wrong choice will lead to prison but it is nobody’s fault but the person who did it.
@Noid
I'm not against treating ppl with respect. That sounds great.
But ppl still need to serve their time. Rehabilitation doesn't work as a deterrent, it only works to prevent re-offense. It's a good thing to do, but pentaly comes first.
@JaxonH
I love how people think that pirating is some minor crime. I mean you see warnings for it nearly every time you watch a dvd for example.
@Yorumi
In my last comment that is basically what I said. The first comment I made did say that but I misunderstood the noirs comment.
@Yorumi If some people are just "born evil", that makes retribution even more morally deplorable - punishing people for something out of their control is wretched.
@JaxonH But does punishment work as a deterrant either?
When I read fanboys' passionate comments about how hackers should rot in jail for "hurting" Nintendo I feel so ashamed to think I used to be just like them when I was 13. So glad I grew up.
5 years seems out of proportion considering the actual damage done, which is almost nothing.
@AtlanteanMan So I don't agree with Netflix, so "I'll do illegal garbage and make money off of pirated movies". Or Spotify doesn't satisfy me, so I'll "sell illegal copies".
Wow genius 👏
$50 a Year to Play Masterpieces on my Nintendo Switch is NOT alot at all!
@Noid
Yes, it does.
I'm still amazed at the fact his last name is Bowser.
At least lock him up in Japan, American prison is too rough for this level of crime....
@dew12333 Would you rather find a way to pay 4 million dollars or stay in prison for 5 years? Real question
I wonder if he's related to Doug Bowser.
@NintendoEternity This. I always think personally when I disagree with a price for a non-essential my business is done with that company.
They set the price and I decide of its worth it. I don't get to disagree AND then try and get the product for free AND be in the right. Just because the company is richer than me doesn't mean I can ignore their rights and vice versa.
I don't think this makes any sense. He did create the device that allowed switch to be pirated, he didn't pirate games for the switch himself.
It's the same thing with creator of R4 cartridges for the NDS. The pirate is not the creator or the seller, it's people who purchase it to use on NDS consoles to play pirated games.
nstead of losing time with this, nintendo should hurry to fix their consoles that are always the first to be jailbroken because they invest nothing in security.
DS , 3DS, GameCube, Wii, Wii U and Switch, all jailbroken. Nintendo should do a better job securing their devices and they wouldn't need to loose time with this.
@Venivik no it's not lol. American prisoners here get tablets, pianos, tvs in their cells, time out of their cells, etc. I should know, I'm a Corrections Officer. You want Tough Prisons, go to Russia, Germany, China!
The sentence is excessive, bordering on cruel and unusual, in my opinion. A short sentence, probation, and a fine would be more fitting.
@NintendoEternity cool cool, I'm a former corrections inmate, so you forgot to mention Gang relations, rape and all those things you mentioned being taken from by harder cell mates.
I'm 100% sure Japanese prisons are nicer and you are too.
Nice try to brag about your occupation even though you ignorantly think American prisoners have it made.
Absolutely abhorrent.
Corporations are not your friend, and far too many governments are subservient to corporations.
Okay not only the Villian from Mario but also the Rival in the first Pokemon Gen?! This is going too far! No wonder Nintendo is mad.
@Noid Interesting note about Halden Prison. Most interesting is its low recidivism rate. My only question would be, what has been the effect on new crime? In other words, is a prison such as this a poor deterrent? I sit here working 65 to 70 hours a week, and then I think of going to Norway, robbing a bank, and spending the next five years playing video games with little bother from the outside world. (I still wouldn't find all the moons in Odyssey). =>)
@Venivik never said they were perfect. We can't control and stop everything that happens behind our backs unfortunately. And we don't understand why cowards enjoy gang life 🤷🏻♂️
Not bragging, just saying. But compared to some Countries out there, American Inmates should be thankful, but instead blame others for their stupidity 🙄
I find it weird that people are cheering that some dude is being locked up for 5 years for just hacking a console.
It's like they'll think their favorite corporation will reward them if they keep boot licking them.
@iLikeUrAttitude It's not worth cheering because it's just the case that what should have happened, did.
But I don't disagree with the sentence.
@iLikeUrAttitude It's perverse. But disappointedly expected in the late capitalist society we live in.
@iLikeUrAttitude He made $300,000 for stealing another's property. What, let him go? And the flash mobs who loot stores? Let them go? The person who robs your house? Let that person go? This isn't some poor person with a bad break in life stealing to feed a family because there is no alternative. This is a bright person who knew exactly what he was doing and consciously disregarded the possibility of prison in exchange for money. His call, his outcome.
@axelhander No society condones theft.
@PARK1755 always a pleasure to make others have a good hearty laugh!
@Noid This is the worst statement I have read in my life no offense. Punishment helps correct people so they don't do harm to society again in the future, and the fear of punishment is why murder is not sky high. If there were no laws most people would be dead by now. Punishment and the fear of punishment is what keeps society in check.
@rjejr he lives RENT free in your head.
Also it's called self defense 😇
@NintendoEternity I never advocated for piracy here or anywhere else. I legally purchase my games and movies, and over the decades have probably invested far more money and time into this hobby than you ever will. You would do well not to make baseless presumptions or accusations simply because someone voices a differing viewpoint. If you blindly cheer for Big Corporate and their practices without so much as an iota of critical thinking, then you are what Square Enix's President recently described as "those who play to contribute". P.T. Barnum had another term for such folks: suckers.
@Burning_Spear Easy on the strawmans buddy you made a mountain out of an anthill. I wasn't even implying that he shouldn't be punished.
In this case I agree hes in the wrong, but it's almost disgusting seeing all these comments cheering for their Multi Billion dollar corporation as if its their friend.
@blindsquarel How does what you're saying relate in any way to my comment?
@iLikeUrAttitude So what's wrong with Nintendo, and why does it matter how much money they have? Having money does not make a person or company evil. Yeah, someone profits by pirating their IPs, I cheer for them. Besides, shareholders own the company.
@N64-ROX I mean, it's not piracy, it's making tools to help piracy. I do think the sentence is a bit much, but I get why people like this have to be punished, seeing as they're profiting off of an illegal practice.
@NintendoEternity obviously everything you just a said is uncontestable. Although joining a group once you're INSIDE is a good idea for your well being, I've grown up with gang culture and I've always hated it.
Nonetheless, I STILL believe American prison is too harsh of a punishment for someone involved in pirated games. Plus he hurt Japanese business, it's really on them to punish him anyway.
Jail time should be exclusively for dangerous people who need to be kept away from society. Aren't prisons in the US already overcrowded?
What about soulja boy doesn't he sell knock-off consoles with games that he doesn't own installed on them...
@Burning_Spear Technically correct, wildly misleading.
@Kevember
I misunderstood what you meant, that’s on me.
That's a ridiculously harsh punishment. I don't agree at all with what he did but a month in jail and a hefty fine seems more appropriate. Six years for a small non violent crime is outrageous.
Making money off of this tech was the mistake and yeah, it should be punished. I'd be even happier if courts across the world would start taking the same tough stance when giant companies like Nintendo bury independent and small developers after ripping off their work.
Another person saved from a life of crime
They'd better be careful, Bowser has a lot of Fury.
Here's the thing if he claims he is a small fry why doesn't he turn those others in. He was knee deep into the goat throw the book at him.
@Yorumi Haven't read the whole chat but I did see you bring up false dilemma (I was taught it as false dichotomy but six of one, half a dozen of the other). It drives me nuts when so many arguments use logical fallacies, be it equivocation, strawman, you name it. But one of the most egregious (other than the typical ad hominem that's everywhere) has to be the false dilemma.
People tend to overly simplify deeply complex and multifaceted issues into your either on side A or side B.
Hacker bad.
You no hack Switch games.
Hacker go to jail.
Hacker learn lesson about no piracy.
Remember…
Piracy is no party.
‘Mario Party DS Anti Piracy Music begins’
@blindsquarel A humble person on the internet. All is not lost. 😀
This guy should not be so commonly referred to as a hacker. He's not some virtuous genius, and shouldn't be considered in the same breadth as people who give back to the community and focus on games preservation. He wanted to make money, video games were just his vessel for his criminal enterprise.
Also everyone talking about nonviolent crimes not deserving prison time really have a limited understanding of how damaging a nonviolent crime can be, and can indirectly cause violence. Con men are usually nonviolent, but people who have just been robbed of everything have committed suicides or murder suicides.
Good. See a lot of people here acting like he should be celebrated as a “hero” just because he went up against big companies. Laughable. He was a thief that wasn’t even doing the Robin Hood angle. Bowser doesn’t care about the people screwed by companies, but how much he can put in his own pockets. People acting like Bowser was “our friend” is hilarious.
You don’t just steal large quantities of money intentionally and get a slap on the wrist for it. You don’t need to be a “Nintendo fanboy” to recognize wrong is wrong.
Bowsers man, there always the same, they never learn lol.
Wow, i figured $14.5 million in fines would ruin the guy's life enough, but 5 years in jail as well? (Gotta fill those for-profit prisons up somehow, right?)
I understand the need for punishment and "Deterrent effect", but doesn't "Way more than he ever made (Or ever will) in fines" cover that already?
There are crimes where the "Get him off the streets"-argument makes sense (Violent, sexual and/or drugs-related crimes, mostly), but is software piracy really that kind of crime?
Now he can get a chance to hack and slash his way out of jail
@Edwirichuu erm.. good question. If it was myself then I would rather pay the fine. But as a crime I don’t see it as a fine, rather more paying money back that you illegally earned, so I believe some long jail term should be given.
These Nintendo anti-piracy screen memes are getting out of hand
@CharlieGirl a crime is a crime.
Your argument is just ignorant.
I could go into your house and steal your stuff and make a spiel about how somehow "you're better off anyways" and get away with it? Sorry, the world doesn't work that way.
Just using your own logic here. Not "trolling" or "baiting".
If he was stupid enough to make money off it, then yeah...
Six months for sexual assault.
Five years for slightly inconveniencing a billion dollar company's ability to make more money.
Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the American Justice System.
" Each of the three men named in the indictment faced 11 felony counts, including conspiracy to commit wire fraud, conspiracy to circumvent technological measures and to traffic in circumvention devices, trafficking in circumvention devices, and conspiracy to commit money laundering."
-Wikipedia
If this is true, it might be an indicator why the sentence is so long. Not just "some piracy"
@Arawn93
I don't get it. Why would anyone take a criminal in defense because he "went against a big company"? It's like taking the rioters in California in defense because they steal from companies. I rather take those companies in defense rather than crims that think the world owes them a living.
@RasandeRose lol your entire view on this is "buh buh the bad man did what the law sez is the bad thing mommy." you don't get to call anyone out on immaturity.
@Richnj
What the company is worth hasn't anything to do with it, you don't get a free pass to commit crimes against big companies because they make money. And one wrong doesn't make another wrong right. If the penalties for sexual assault is too light, then the way of correcting it is not to make penalties for theft lighter. The correct way is to be tougher on crime across the board.
@RasandeRose "What the company is worth hasn't anything to do with it"
Kinda does. Stealing from a struggling local business is far worse than stealing from a thriving mega Corp.
"And one wrong doesn't make another wrong right. If the penalties for sexual assault is too light, then the way of correcting it is not to make penalties for theft lighter."
I'm not suggesting any of this.
"The correct way is to be tougher on crime across the board."
No. Definitely not. Giving ten years to everybody for everything would be tougher, it would also be a completely unfair way to deliver justice.
The correct way would be to have the punishment fit the crime. So, personal, violent crimes, like sexual assault should be the ones getting more time. Indirect, less harmful actions, should be punished less.
@Richnj
Nope, it's equal bad of a crime stealing from a wealthy corporation as from a struggling one. There is no robin hood-excuses for any type of crime. We can't start giving criminals excuses because they rob a wealthy old lady in the streets instead of a poor one.
We agree on that violent crimes should be punished harsher. But the solution is not to be softer on theft and that sort of crimes, There is big, big problems with that type of crime in the US. The correct way to go about it is tougher on crime across the board, especially violent crimes. We need to start locking up lifestyle criminals for life. 3 times and you're out, that's a very good policy.
Crime is on the rise, have you completely missed that? This is no time to speak for softening up. We have people setting in system of mass-looting. It's on the brink of mutiny. It's really the time now to set the foot down and lock 'em up.
@RasandeRose "Crime is on the rise, have you completely missed that?"
Yeah, I have. I've seen that violent crime is on the rise, but unless you have a link, I haven't seen anything to say that crime in general has risen. In fact, crime has a whole has dropped a lot over the last 25 years.
"It's really the time now to set the foot down and lock 'em up."
Have you ever considered dealing with root causes of crime, or even rehabilitation, rather than just punishing people after the fact?
Surely more money was "stolen" by crime of Nintendo selling buggy, short lived joycons to unsuspecting customers than people distributing pirated copies of overpriced games. With the joycon, consumers were legitimately left without the product they paid for, but with piracy, Nintendo is placing an unrealistic value on assumed, and very unlikely lost sales. Just my opinion.
Putting people in jail for this sort of this seems unreasonable to me. Bowser is not a dangerous person that needs to be taken off the streets.
@Pod Here in the USA there is no greater crime than that against money.
I hope GaryOPA goes to hell, but so should the US government (past and present) and Nintendo's legal team.
Attempt to overthrow the government: 60 days.
"Steal" money from a corporation that doesn't even provide a way to buy those games anymore: 5 years.
At least we know where our priorities are.
Let’s be honest. That 14 mil is most likely never gonna be paid back. The guy could work an honest living for the rest of his life and never pay it back. The real punishment is the jail time which is deserved. Even though he was the least culpable he still engaged in illegal activity. Do the crime do the time. Although 5 years may be a bit much it acts as a deterrent for those thinking of doing the same.
@idork99 You mean, given he was already fined what seems like 14.5 MILLION dollars? I imagine they think it's a win for them.
@Fiskern Sure... but of course several of those seem like they are just a list of charges associated with the same thing, that they are able to add... so that it's not just one charge. I'm not a lawyer... but I feel like I can see what's going on here pretty easily.
@CharlieGirl I agree. Pirating games is a minor, petty crime. A warning, maybe a $50 fine, that would be appropriate. It's like making bootleg DVDs. The police should go after murderers and muggers of old ladies and not serve the interests of large multinational corporations.
@RasandeRose You are beyond clueless.
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