While it's not necessarily at the top of everyone's list for fascinating gaming news, this has been a year with a fair amount of activity around Nintendo's share value. Unsurprisingly the value of the company rose along with its profits in 2020 as the demand for gaming entertainment rocketed; the reverse has been happening in 2021 as that demand has fallen back.
Despite Nintendo undertaking a major buyback and cancellation of shares in August and September, a move that typically boosts share value, stock has continued to trend downward. This week it fell below 50,000 Yen per share for the first time this year, seemingly driven by a major sell-off by Cathie Wood and their Ark Innovation ETF trading company - per Bloomberg. Ark has been scaling back its shareholding in Nintendo since late February, a period that has seen consistent declines in value, down 28% in that period.
Bloomberg also highlights an analyst from CLSA Securities Japan Ltd, Jay Defibaugh, placing a sell rating on Nintendo stock last week, going down two levels from 'buy' to 'underperform'. He's quoted as saying Switch is “on the cusp of a multiyear slowdown,” anticipating that profits will continue to fall through 2024.
Though it's tempting to dismiss this sort of talk the reality is that it does matter to Nintendo as a business, and senior management will - at the very least - have a close eye on the trends with investors. In addition to 2021 sales being down on the boom of 2020, there are also analysts disappointed in the arguably minor upgrade of the new OLED model, clearly with the belief that Nintendo needs bolder moves in order to increase and grow its business.
There are various challenges in the market, however, so it can be argued it's not so simple as pushing out a new, more powerful system and watching the sales fly in. Global industry and manufacturing is still grappling with varying degrees of the global COVID pandemic, and in addition there is the well-known and ongoing issue of chip shortages. As Sony and Microsoft have learnt with PS5 and Xbox Series X|S, meeting demand on popular new hardware is extremely difficult.
Company share prices rise and fall with the seasons, it seems, but there's no denying that investor confidence is wavering with Nintendo at present. It'll be interesting to see what the company does in the medium-to-long term to boost profits and keep shareholders happy.
[source bloomberg.com]
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The stock market’s a casino for BMW drivers.
Analysts seem to be reacting to the underwhelming hardware reveal (which might be attributed to ongoing silicon and manufacturing complications), rather than the lineup of software.
The coming months are looking to have a lot of strong performers in software sales, which is where attention should be focused.
I mean….. I consider myself a “major investor”; I’ve pumped hundreds upon thousands of dollars into Nintendo (via products, not stock) and I’m not pulling out. That investor can shove it… his loss. Bye!
Anyway… if there were ANY reasons to question Nintendo now, it would be the cloud versions of Kingdom Hearts and the lack of substantial Switch hardware update (looking at you OLED)…. Oh, and folders and themes on the menu 😜
...Wait, where are the "NINTENDOOOOOOOOOOOMED" comments that I normally see on these articles?
Oh look Sora must of helped here, Hope it was worth it you lucky kh fans.
Nice. Should probably invest more in Nintendo while the value is down.
People who invested in the Wii U era must have made bank in 2020, lol.
@RupeeClock It's important to keep in mind that what happens on the stock market isn't really reflective of the quality of the player experience.
@MS7000 You might be too early 😆
I really want investors who don't care about video games to be flushed out of the games industry.
The v̶u̶l̶t̶u̶r̶e̶venture capitalists value profit over player satisfaction, and it shows in every loot box, season pass, and pay-to-win scheme that every major publisher crams into their games.
Yeah… like these guys have any impact on what I purchase. Legalized gambling is all the stock market is used. The Switch systems will still sell well this holiday season, along with the solid line-up of games they will have out.
With Christmas approaching, this might be the perfect time to invest.
Time to buy the dip? This is coming off of a 5 year high, stock prices are still twice what they were in '17
@CharlieGirl they can’t be out at all. These people and a living at it, it’s hard to stop that kind of capital. From what I understand about Nintendo, much like Apple, if you invest you’re along for the ride. Most normal, everyday people are locked out of these “investor” categories. Yes, you can buy stock, but these “investors” have more say than anybody could hope to buy.
This and two cents won’t buy you a warm beverage anywhere. Those vultures will snatch it from your hand too.
@progx True. But it feels like whenever I see these articles that it is almost always one of the first three comments. Probably not actually the case but... shrug
Anyway, in relation to the article:
"It'll be interesting to see what the company does in the medium-to-long term to boost profits and keep shareholders happy."
I feel it would be more interesting to see what they do for their fans rather than their investors no matter how important their financial health is, but that is just me... speaking of which, F-Zero when Nintendo?
@Ralizah
That wasn't an assessment of player experience.
I was talking about the strong sales potential of many major first and second party Nintendo games on the horizon, from tentpole franchises like Zelda, Pokémon and Splatoon, and other major releases like Metroid, Kirby, Mario Party, and Bayonetta.
Investment drift
These rise and falls are absolutely not a problem for Nintendo in current times, they have the money now to invest themselves again into R+D, they don’t need investors to pay that part (thankfully). Hence the buyback
I’d say it’s actually good that they drop out now I think because they do not need to pay these investors when the Switch 2 sales are generating a large profit again.
I consider this a natural dip considering the chip shortage (this issue can become much worse considering a majority of chips are manufactured out of Taiwan and the recent harassment they've received from their mainland neighbours), and the potential economic crisis coming out of mainland China with Evergrand, and East Asian supply chain issues looming large... There are a lot of reasons for these dips even outside of Nintendo. It is an uncertain time to be an investor in general in East Asian companies. And considering the stocking issues, both Sony and Microsoft have had with the PS5 and the XSX it is easy to understand Nintendo's hesitancy to release radical new hardware revisions.
@RupeeClock then you better buy now! Gamble, gamble. I got in at $32 a share and sold high 30s, then high 40s, bought in the high 40s sold in the 50s and got rid of everything. Not a bad stock to ride when the times are good
With the way they allow cloud scamming on the Switch which lead to lazy gaming offering, and releasing a new console with no real benefits it's no surprise their stocks are falling. I would dropped support of my share too if I knew Nintendo treat its hybrid aspect of the Switch with no respect, allow cloud craps to happen on Switch is ruining the hybrid feature of that console.
@Kilamanjaro : if you see investing as gambling, you’re doing it wrong.
@Specter_of-the_OLED I think you've misread how investors see Cloud gaming... THEY LOVE IT! It's an easy way to cut out the needlessness of middle-men like Gamestop, EB, Game and your average mom and pop shops. That and they don't need to worry about hardware restrictions anymore. If something has a stable internet connection... BOOM they can buy their product. I mean if investors could they'd probably slap AAA games on Wiis through the cloud. That and investors are also not worried about mobility restrictions as to when 5G gets fully implemented most urban gamers can play almost anywhere through the cloud (this is already a reality in cities like Hong Kong, Tokyo and Seoul). Aka they don't need to worry about scalability, lower development time on different versions of their games and can make sure they don't have to worry about gamers not getting their hands on their games due to pricy hardware.
Investors want cloud gaming to take over. They'd much rather that than the pricy and precarious situation of hardware releases which rely on global supply chains, manufacturing and market penetration of new hardware every 5-8 years. Look at the issues PS5s and XSXs have had to remain in stock due to COVID stocking issues. This is good press in the sense that it makes their products look hot, but bad for investors as they want their consoles to be as easy to buy as possible to maximize sales and return on software sales (which is where traditionally they've made their money...).
@CharlieGirl They literally have to value profit over anything else, since that’s how they will keep their doors open and pay their employees. Nothing wrong with that at all.
@RupeeClock Agreed. 2022 (and the last 3 months of 2021) is going to be huge for games!
@Wexter While this is extremely grim, it’s definitely an accurate take on the situation. Physical hardware is on its way out, unfortunately. Though, I see companies like Steam sticking around for much longer. I think hardware manufacturers are the ones that will get eaten by cloud services, first.
@nessisonett I don't know some of us regular people have been doing ok. I've gotten a nice bump to my 401k since the pandemic started.
That being said I'll buy a few more shares of nintendo.
@Friendly True that. Nintendo is doing their best in ages, this is nothing to worry about.
Looks like the share dropped after the Steam Deck got announced. I've been quite enthralled by this one at first since I love having games like Witcher and Skyrim portable, but after seeing how big and heavy it is in comparison to the Switch it has almost moved into hard pass territory for me.. Would not want to be seen with such a thing in public, and a lot of other questions remain (dock? compatibility and ease of use? battery life? technical quality, given that Valve has no experience delivering consoles to the mass market?).
So if this is the reason and the Steam Deck turns out to be niche the stock might recover.
@BloodNinja I hope to god you're wrong. Cloud gaming isn't nearly ready for the big time.
@CharlieGirl
I think you're right on the money, here.
We need more artists with vision, as opposed to games driven by the accountants. *
*I write this with exception for Elder Scrolls sequels, as I can't get enough of them and always need more.
@InkIdols Oh trust me, I hope I'm wrong, too. But I know how these companies think, and they are always going to be thinking of how to profit first, please customers second. Nothing wrong with that, since that's how they keep their doors open, but cloud services will save them lots of money, if that time ever comes. In the meantime, enjoy your hardware while it lasts, and invest in a good PC if you haven't already!
We will see how OLED sales turn out. If they are really good then this will be a non issue. If it doesn’t do anything to pick up momentum then Nintendo has a decision to make. Everyone was wanting a revision with upgraded specs.
@BloodNinja I agree. I see Steam, GOG and Epic Store outlasting traditional consoles in the long run. This is why I find the Steam Deck so odd as Valve has to realize that currently while it might have an edge over the Switch right now a Switch 2 is right around the corner and if it has 4K AI scaling like the rumours suggest when docked... the Steam Deck is going to be outdated in 1-2 years. They're better off sticking to the status quo rather than risk penetrating an already slowly dying market. I doubt we will ever reach the hights or Wii, PS3 and X360 sales again where every console sold by the truckloads.
Though this is also why I see Sony and MS dipping their toes in the PC market. To help diversify themselves when the investible cloud and all digital future arrives.
@ashaka There's a dock and you can plug it into any HDMI port. Almost the entire Steam library will be compatible with their Linux OS at launch. You can easily install Windows to get 100% compatibility, if you want, but Linux gaming is 98% as good as Windows so you probably won't need to. Emulators run just as well on Linux, btw. Battery life is advertised at 7-8 hours. As far as technical quality, that depends on which manufacturer Steam decided to go with. That, I have no idea, but I'm sure that's gonna be fine. Anyway, it's all on their website:
https://www.steamdeck.com/en/hardware
Investor confidence with Nintendo has been low for years. Lol
Also, sounds like it's time to buy before it goes up again in the next 5 years or so. If Switch's successor performs as well as the Switch, sooner.
@BloodNinja I know that business first is true for all companies, but the fact is services like Stadia and Luna have proven Cloud Gaming won't replace consoles and pc's for at least other 10 years
@InkIdols I absolutely agree with you. We will see at least 1-2 more console generations before cloud gaming is the norm. Unfortunately, with how successful iTunes and Netflix are, it's gonna happen, eventually. Stadia and Luna were just too early. When the time is right, the right service will come and "convince" everyone that cloud gaming is "good," then the bad stuff will happen lol
This is literally the reason that Nintendo bought a whole bunch of their own stocks lately. What did you think would happen? How is this news at all?
@BloodNinja We'll just have to see. But i'm an optimist when it comes to gaming, so i don't think it's set in stone
This guy REALLY did not want Sora to be the last Smash character.
@InkIdols I'm an optimist as well, but I'm tempered by realism.
@IronMan30 I think it mostly has to do with the highs and lows Nintendo traditionally has found themselves in. NES, SNES high sales. N64 and Gamecube had low sales compared to their competitors. Wii one of the best-selling systems ever! Wii U... Nintendo's biggest flop since Virtual Boy and worst-selling home console. The Switch is a global sensation and predicted to outsell the Wii and break the 100 million sales by end of lifetime. But, it's hard to predict what its successor will perform like.
Investors want to see Nintendo remain consistent in the market first. And before people say Nintendo's handhelds have always sold strong. That is true! But, each generation always sold less than the previous Gameboy/Color > Gameboy Advance, DS > 3DS. They still easily sell over 70 million per-gen, but Nintendo needs to translate this to the Switch line.
@BloodNinja The collecters will probably riot and scare the pants off the companies
Seeing this just reaffirms what I noted about their sudden article days ago of the fabled Switch Pro. Bloomberg is like a bitter ex, they were wrong about the Switch Pro after fanboying it for 2 years. The next best thing? Fabricate more rumors and post negative press against Nintendo.
Nintendo being down is still following a high of several years that I don't think anyone would have predicted with the uncertainty following the Wii U. When you can't always be at the top. Let's note Nintendo's down right now without acknowledging the up they've had for 4 years..
@Wexter Exactly. While I had some initial excitement for the Deck, I'm not sure it's for me, since I primarily game on my PC. Haven't touched my Switch in a loooooong time, so I'm not sure I would use a Steam Deck.
Plus! Like you said, the console market is showing a decline. Unless a new form of materials is researched and used for building this stuff, shortages will be inevitable. Since there won't be enough of the stuff to go around, it will be up to the corporations to supply us. So for the average gamer, cloud gaming will probably be the only choice. Rich yuppies can still pay thousands for their Playstations 5's, though.
@InkIdols Now, that's a thought! I might be part of the riot, and/or leading it LOL
@thegametb Are they fabricating rumors? Seems like they are just reporting on stocks, which can be looked up and verified...
@Wexter well, there are exceptions to each gen selling worse than the previous (GBA to DS, GCN to Wii, and 3DS+Wii U to Switch but you specified handhelds) so point taken.
I like that Nintendo thinks different with hardware or focuses on making games, like they are doing with the switch and as such it has been a massive sales success. The switch complements other systems, not competes. I don’t like when investors who don’t play games point to the Xbox or PlayStation hardware or cloud as simply being more powerful https://finance.yahoo.com/video/ark-etf-sells-nintendo-shares-141400433.html?.tsrc=rss
@BloodNinja The market one is not fabricated, Bloomberg talking about Switch Pro again a week ago is the fabrication.
And to be honest, I wouldn't doubt all that hype the media stirred up over something that didn't exist for 2 years had a tremendous backlash against Nintendo.
@thegametb I mean, NintendoLife constantly reports on rumors, too. Seems like that's the thing to do, since gaming news would otherwise be much more sparse.
@thegametb Lmao anthropomorphizing a business magazine
@BloodNinja honestly
@BloodNinja NintendoLife is very much part of that problem as well. As well as IGN, GameSpot and YouTubers for spreading so much misinformation. Anyone can post something polarizing and hide behind mostly anonymous sources.
While stocks are something to keep an eye on in the long run, I'm glad they dont dictate the video game discourse as much as they did through some of the 2010s.
I guess it helps that people finally realize investors dont properly represent the climate of the video game industry.
IS_NINTENDO_DOOMED GIF
@thegametb What gets me is when I finish a NintendoLife article and it says at the end, "source: Twitter."
That's gotta be the weakest form of journalism I've seen in my life.
@DTFaux Dear lord, I want to read your comment, but could you slow the blink on your gif? It's way too distracting!
@BloodNinja Stadia was one of the biggest failures ever, and still is. Shadow.tech is almost completely gone now (it became very expensive). And XBOX Game Cloud isn't that good either.
No cloud gaming is a far far way off.
@MS7000,
The doomed comments will be along I am sure.
@sanderev I know that, and I stated what I thought was the reason for it's failure. I also stated cloud gaming will be here in 1-2 game generations, which is potentially another 10-15 years. So...redundant much?
@BloodNinja Cloud gaming has one huge problem: it's not local. Meaning you will always have 10-15ms of inputlag at the least. Faster internet doesn't solve that issue, it's distance. So otherwise we will have a datacenter every 500-1000km (5-7ms) cloud gaming will never be succesful.
I think the future will be GamePass like services. Where you "rent" games using a subscription. But you will still need powerful hardware to run them. Truly cloudbase is, just like 3D and VR never going to be replacing normal gaming.
@sanderev You don't think in 10-15 years they will have solved latency?
@BloodNinja Nope. Because that latancy is the same as it was 15 years ago. Back when OneLive launched (first real game streaming service, which had the same issues)
Latancy is determined by the speed of light through a fiber optic cable and yes, we are already at that cap.
Time to buy, then!
@sanderev Uh huh.
Im sure these pokemon games gonna pump up the numbers real soon
@BloodNinja We'll see how distracting my icon's blinking is when I shift it into MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE!!
But for real, I'll probably consider it down the road.
@DTFaux Hahaha I might have a seizure, then! Or just try to outblink it!
@Qwertyninty this isn't really going to affect consumers going to buy gaming hardware and software this holiday season. Investors don't sway consumers. Usually, it's consumers who sway investors to buy not the other way around.
Plus, Nintendo has been around for 132 years, long before the world stock market existed. For people who don't trade in stocks or invest, this isn't news for the general population. It's fluff.
@BloodNinja they could... as long as rural areas in the US have access to true high speed internet. Whether cable or wireless, then it could solve the issue and make cloud gaming an option with widespread availability.
You were right about the iTunes Store and Netflix. Apple disrupted music purchasing habits with the iPod, then people started to pay for downloads of songs they wanted. For movies and TV shows, they just became the defacto standard for purchases due to the "Free Digital Copy" that is attached to DVDs and BRs, so it helped to influence people into buying from them. Netflix, just stream whatever you want for a monthly fee.
Cloud gaming will be an option in the future. As for replacement... it could happen since everyone wants everything now.
@progx While you are correct, I think that these corporations would abandon rural areas as a target audience. It's just bizness....
@BloodNinja sadly yes they would. They would be locked out of gaming without a good stable internet connection.
@progx I wasn’t stating the investors would sway the consumers. I’m just saying if there are enough docked gamers and those that want more of an upgrade then the stock will continue to drop. That’s why we need to see how the OLED model sells. If there is enough demand and it keeps Nintendo a float then that’s a win. Assuming it’s the opposite then there will be more pressure for them to release a better performance system sooner than later. It will be very interesting.
@progx Right. I'm surprised some of the ultra-wealthy haven't solved some of those problems with their limitless funds. As long as profit exists, there will always be "haves" and "have-nots" unfortunately.
Remember Vulture Venture Captialists/Investors aren't real gamers nor understand the long term vision. They are in for the money nothing more. Cloud is a false choice it never has helped for affordable internet that's what Cloud supporters don't tell you-someone has to pay a ISP to begin to have Cloud access. So Cloud supporters you can pay my Cloud bills and ISP bills and I will be more then happy to use Cloud 24/7. I am waiting........
With the switch nearing 100 million units sold im not too worried Nintendo has been through tougher times then this
the day gaming goes all cloud im retiring from gaming or just go back and play all the past games i never played.. I don't do cloud gaming
I might actually invest in them. I don’t expect Nintendo is going to start dying any time soon. The price will bounce back like it always always does.
Now would be a good Time to buy some and wait
I've seen "expert analyst's" dissing game consoles for the better part of the last 10 years or so, and yet Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are breaking sales records left right and center. Console gaming it's here to stay and if you don't believe it, ask Google stadia and many other before them.
Nintendo will sell out of all Switch OLED's. But I think the lack of a huge Animal Crossing type release on the horizon investors are not as interested. Nintendo doesn't care because when they win they win big.
As I have said before, many investors got hyped off of last year's insanely massive pandemic lockdown + Animal Crossing-fueled sales and expected a near-exact repeat for this year, and were woefully pissed off when that didn't happen.
@Clammy well that's putting words in my mouth. I was telling Rupee to essentially put his money where he/she/they thinks it would be valuable. If he thinks it's an investment he / she / they could very well buy now BUT it would be a gamble from the perspective of taking the actual money and putting your skin in the game. Stocks are investments & they are risks. It isn't gambling per se but if you invest at the wrong time on limited funds when say you don't have much disposable income, you can see it as a bit of gambling if you aren't knowledgeable about competing firms on the market e.g. MSFT, SONY, Apple, etc etc. But again I was just telling him/her/they to invest if they thinks it's valuable. To go a bit further, if you think a stock can grow forever and always be at a high, you are wrong. Selling and buying is a part of the game & having a strong portfolio of mixed assets from a wide variety of industries is gonna be key to minimize losses. Taking too much time on this response, don't put words in my mouth lol spend money if you think you can get ROI
Can you access Nintendo shares on Robinhood? Anybody fancy starting a reddit thread? 😁
They probably wanted crash to be the final character
Sometimes Nintendo Nintendos but sometimes it Nintendont.
Expect it to go slowly to $35-40 coming years and depending on the next gen console, will rise or fall dependent on opening up for wider audience. Portfolio is going to be broader, not only games, so more steady growth will make it more predictable.
@thegametb you can't really say for sure bloomberg was wrong about the switch pro. It could have easily been in development and later being dropped for the OLED. Only Nintendo really knows.
I mean if I were an investor I also would say no to nintendo because they are just shifting too much focus to some weird sh*t like toys, movies, and actual parks that would probably be defunct in a couple of years.
Nintendo plays things close to its chest and then announces things quickly without giving the market or gamers time to anticipate a new arrival. Unless it's BotW when the market no longer cares.
While the Oled Switch is welcome it's not what the market was expecting. And AAA Nintendo games this year has been poor both in amount of games and titles.
Gamers and the market want to know what to expect from Nintendo next year, and it's not a movie or a theme park ride.
Since Nintendo have said there will be no Switch Pro, does that mean we are now where we are for the next few years, the Oled and a BotW game carrot dangling at us at E3 yet again.
If I was an investor I would be moving my stock away from Nintendo.
But if Nintendo has something up its sleeve for 2022 they should let us all know, that Nintendo is more than just a company that makes a couple of handheld gaming consoles.
@Mobiusman It definitely feels like Nintendo are trying harder than ever to be the Disney of the gaming world. But then, they'll always pushed out weird concepts to see what works.
I am an owner of multiple switches since 2017, I just finished Ratchet & Clank Rift Apart today as the only Playstation Exclusive that interests me, and I have to say it is a legal crime for Nintendo to sell its pro controller for 60€ when that amazing playstation controller is 70€.
It is worth 30€ max. considering the huge gap in technology and features
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