The name Dennis Hwang might not mean much to you, but you're almost certain to have seen one of his creations online. Hwang is responsible for many of the amazing "Google Doodles" which have been seen on Google's main page over the years - surely one of the most visited pages on the web - and is now employed as director of visual design at Niantic Labs, creator of Pokémon GO.
He's behind the overall look of the app, and recently sat down with The Verge to chat about its success and what he sees in the future.
Interestingly, Hwang sees apps like Pokémon GO and fellow Niantic creation Ingress as a means of bringing people together at a time when immersive hardware such as Virtual Reality is threatening to keep players indoors as much as possible:
We're sort of trying to paint an optimistic future, where technology is really bringing people together, not like you're strapping a screen in a dark place to your face, where every interaction becomes through a camera, through a computer, through a network — that seems a little too dystopian to us. So we're trying to see if there's a better way to do things.
In a shock admission, Hwang admits that he is unhappy seeing Pokémon GO players glued to their phones when they're out in public, and wants to create a stronger bond between the game and the real world:
There's a lot that isn't perfect. We had a pretty tight timeline to build this. I think just generally speaking the biggest element we're looking to improve is allowing more heads-up play. It saddens me a little bit when I see a lot of hunched over people outside. They're having fun, they're outside in a great public park, but we're always wanting a little more direct engagement with our immediate surroundings. So those are design choices we're looking at carefully to keep improving it.
Like let's say in the current interface, some of the information about a pokémon that spawned is in fine detail and the icon is really small. It's going to make you go closer to the screen. We may just iterate on the design until you feel like the information is being presented to you in a way where you're not having to stick your nose on the screen. It could be a simple size change, or the way the notification is animated, or it could be auditory cues instead of visual cues. There are a lot of options we're going to explore.
Pokémon GO's latest update will include rewards for repeat play, and player vs. player modes are apparently on the horizon. Are you still using the app on a daily basis or are you waiting for big changes before jumping back in? What do you make of Hwang's comments regarding players being glued to their phones and ignoring the world around them? Sound off by leaving a comment below.
[source theverge.com]
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That would kinda make it hard to play the game! 😝
The default setting is that when a Pokemon appears, your phone vibrates. So why in the world are people staring at their phones constantly? I'll never understand that. I play it plenty, walking around with my son. If there isn't anything on screen, I have the phone down in my hand.
... lol this feels like "Crack cocaine manufacturer is saddened by crack addicts." I mean I get it, but it is sort of "well what do you expect?" situation. The game was designed to be addictive and the current generation are glued to their devices which only furthers using the game as a crutch. We are going to have to have a mass failure of technology or a crazy hike in prices for the current trend of being screen zombies fades away.
It is like a gun designer going: ''I wish people wouldn't shoot each other''
@Tlink7 I mean, most guns are designed for hunting though, not people. The ones that are made specifically to shoot other people are made with defense (from robbers and serial killers) in mind. Doesn't stop people from being stupid. That's why the majority of people in the U.S. would like tighter restrictions.
@XCWarrior This.
Contrary to popular belief, it actually is possible to play this game and be aware of your surroundings...
@Ryu_Niiyama
Or like those people from Wally. They're all talking to each other, while they're right next to each other. XD
I think it comes from alot of the people playing it being gamers too, we're all used to concentrating on our screens so some people kinda forget that we've got the vibrating feature to alert us.
Just fix the damn tracking system so ppl can walk in the right direction with their heads up.
@Tempestryke Yeah that happens now. I work in security at a university on the weekends and I swear I'm going to get grey hair and a "get off my lawn" sign before my time. Kids got headphones in/on and cell phone in face and still trying to talk to friends near them. I can't tell you how many times I've yanked a kid back to keep them from walking out in front of a bus.
The potential changes so you've not got your face pressed up against the phone at all times seems like a smart move to me. In fact, I'd suggest many console and PC developers think about that stuff a little bit more too, because since going higher and higher HD I've noticed a really quite stupid trend where most game makers are creating smaller and smaller HUD/GUI displays that are near possible to actually read unless you have 10/20 vision. Higher resolution shouldn't mean smaller; it should simply mean sharper. There's at least some general min text size that I think we should be showing on these 20ish-60ish+ screen sizes so that everyone can read them easily. And note: I'm not saying want even more HUD/GUI crap on my screen—I actually hate the overly convoluted and invasive modern HUDs/GUIs I see in many recent games—but just that if there is a HUD/GUI it should at least be easily readable to more than just people with perfect vision from a few feet away. Basically, keep them simple and clean, minimal and not taking up too much screen real estate, while also being easy for everyone to see and read too. I mean, this basic interface and design stuff ain't rocket science.
Lol, please. Everyone was already hunched over. I swear, no one even looks up to make sure the sky is still blue.
That sounds like a welcoming idea. Whenever I'm hanging with my friends and we're playing Pokemon Go, I get a bit annoyed when they watch their phone at every moment, even just watching their character walk. End up having to be the designated walker for the most part.
Just glance for nearby Pokestops, and when you feel a Pokemon (especially common ones), look at phone, swipe ball, hit to catch, put down phone, and repeat if not caught.
@BlatantlyHeroic Nope, most gun models are designed by militaries, and "defense" contractors sell arms packages by the $billions every month to armed militias, law enforcement, and of course, military buyers. (Not to mention selling to a huge modern day monarchy, Saudi Arabia.) And all with no regulations or limits. The more armed conflicts there are in the world, the better it is for the big arms manufacturers. Most guns sold are clearly meant for ending human lives.
It's similar with Pokémon Go- the more smart phones and data contracts there are in the world, and the more attention is being paid to phones, the more opportunities Niantic has to profit. Dennis Hwang and his colleagues are either naïve or hypocritical if they truly believe in what they said here.
@MoonKnight7 Blue!? That's just a phase, it'll go back to being it's natural orange hue soon enough.
"In a shock admission, Hwang admits that he is unhappy seeing Pokémon GO players glued to their phones when they're out in public"
Um, isn't this the case for everyone who is doing anything on their phone ever? It ain't just because they're playing Pokemon GO. Look man, cut the conscience, just keep pushing that dope. #survivalofthefittest
@Ryu_Niiyama They should give you a raise each time you save someone from becoming roadkill.
I've been playing this game non-stop since it came out. The one thing I've learned about Niantic is that they do not want people having fun, they want people exploring the world. Half of all updates seem to be reducing what you can do because it's not what they want you to do.
Even the Pokemon go plus is an attempt to get people to not look at their computer screens or phone screens and instead keep an eye out on everything else around you. Button-pushing simulator doesn't sound as good as Pokemon go.
I wish they would either cut out the nonsense of trying to force me to go all the place, looking at places that I have already seen, or just burned the game down and let everybody go. It already looks like they are making the second option a reality.
Still waiting on the PvP aspect.
@PlywoodStick
Haha, maybe, but that's why we need to keep checking.
I usually play the game with my phone down at my side, occasionally glancing at it, but I keep the music and SFX off because I have Zombies Run open as well. Personally, I would love the app to use the phone's vibration capabilities more (eg: when you're catching Pokemon, the phone vibrates once if it breaks out of the ball and twice if you catch it; if a PokeStop is available to spin; et cetera). I just want a tactile stimulus when to look down at the phone.
In all honesty, what did he expect? I'm not having a go at Pokemon GO (no pun intended), but that's what you do with a smartphone or anything you interact with, you look down at it!
@XCWarrior @Buizel
Tablets. They have no vibration.
When GO-ing in the city centre, I keep mine in the bag, hidden, and take a peek what's on the route each 20-30 meters I pass tho, so I'm not glued to it.
@KTT
My girl plays, and when I take her for walks, I just hold on to her arm to keep her from running into things as she passes pokestops. In busy areas like malls, there appears to be things to do non-stop
I think there is some misunderstanding here. The designer wants the information to be more "glanceable". Progress was made in the last couple of updates, actually. Thicker typeset. Clearer color codes and icons next to data items. It's much easier to find info faster and put it away.
You do not need to constantly look at the screen to play this game. People have regular travel routes with pokestops they know by heart or you can pinpoint what they are from a distance and wait to look at the screen until you are near them.
Even catching a pokemon, I'll toss a ball and go to doing something else. The interval between tossing and knowing whether it was caught is pretty regular so I just glance to see how it turned out.
Now there are times where the game has my full attention. A rare catch, a nest area with pokestops where you can continually do things. Gym battles... but even those have intermittent times
So that's where the Pokemon Go Plus idea came from.
because integrating it more into the real world is gonna make the situation better... hmm!!
At least he's helping to keep us glued to our screens outdoors instead of being glued to a screen indoors
@LordGeovanni You're right. The updates make the game LESS playable, so there's the option to stop playing, and LOOK NIANTIC, I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE SCREEN NON-STOP ANYMORE!!!
@Tlink7: @Ryu_Niiyama: It's not that crazy to think of, actually. Alfred Nobel, inventor of dynamite, famously dreamed of inventing a device so catastrophic that no one would dare use it, thus bringing peace to the world.
@Ryu_Niiyama
Ay yi yi! They need to learn to pay attention. Xo
@PlywoodStick It is worse dealing with the ones that stand at the curb and they don't realize the bus has to get close to the curb so they can step on (and to activate the handicap ramp). One weekend I yelled "STEP BACK FOR THE BUS!" so much that I lost my voice for two days. Or the kids that drive past two "one way" signs to drive the wrong way. Future leaders right there. Gonna tape the "get off my lawn" sign to my coat.
@Nicolai Like I said I get it, but he is dealing with human nature here.
This whole idea of creating technology to get people to go out and experience life outside is just very silly to me. Its an oxymoron. If your goal is to get people to go outside and pick their heads up to look around, then start making footballs, running shoes, tents... I am a die hard gamer and love to play. But I know the best way to get my fixes. If i want to game, it's best in an environment where I can focus on the game. If I want fresh air and socialization, its best to go outside and let my senses do what they were designed to do and form relationships with other people without any technological barriers in the way. Relationships require focus and attention on the other person. Not distraction or filters. The best way to experience reality is from the air we breath, sights we see and people we meet straight to our eyes, ears and noses. I think we as a people are starting to get away from common sense. Seeing a mob of people in Japan stopping traffic and other people walking off of piers and driving their cars into parks with children playing in harms way just to pursue a digital creation to me is the epitome of stupidity. There is a time and place for different kinds of stimulus. If you want to escape to fantasy worlds and play the role of hero or villian, thats what games are made for. Enjoy! If you want to get out and experience the outdoors and form meaningful releationships, open the door and walk outside. We as a society should not encourage the design of tools to help us do what all of us can do all on our own. Doing so causes atrophy in social skills that we all need. Then yes, we truly WILL turn into a society of people who can physically sit next to another human being and be utterly alone.
If they would ever fix the tracking system so that you could immediately know where to go, that would help the most. Look at your screen, figure out where to go, keep walking until your phone sounds and/or vibrates.
I really want to keep playing but it's hard to be enthusiastic about it anymore since they'be seemingly abandoned the ONE thing that everyone's asking for for a bunch of trifle little additions, or to spend their resources fighting outside trackers that clearly state on a daily basis that they'd shut themselves down if Pokémon Go had proper tracking.
I like how accessible it is without staring at your screen. I tend to just walk with my phone in hand waiting for a buzz. I don't have the Go Bracelet thinger but I would like to get one if I can get one on the cheap. But I wish they would focus more on the things the players actually want or need.
Them disabling pokemon tracking definitely worked for me! I don't have to pay attention to it anymore and just look at it when it vibrates! Maybe they can disable pokestops, gyms, and other pokemon and maybe that would fix those hunches!
@AcesHigh
Well stated. More people should read your post.
It's like the Switch commercial where a bunch of friends stop playing basketball... to play videogame basketball? lol no. I enjoy both and they are different types of experiences. The bball videogame would never get me more connected to the real gym.
or like Earthbound when the dad says "I think you should take a break" and I'm always like "no. keep playing the game." haha
Thanks Speedracer! That is exactly the same thought I had about the basketball segment of the switch preview. Im all for taking your games on the road to play in the car or plane or in your hotel room or even at your buddy's house for some local multi-player. But dude... if you're outside playing a video game of something that is right in front of you, right under your nose, in real life... you have problems. Sorry. That's beyond lame.
And don't get me started on a stadium full of people cheering on a bunch of kids playing video games. If that ever happens, in that kind of volume (attendance) its the beginning of the end brother! I'll be the first in line for the Switch. But I'll definitely be keepin it real.
@AcesHigh So the end has started you're saying?
This is from League of Legends Worlds 2016.
HE created the monster, mobi-zombies everywhere. TBF I would love it if the whole mobile phone networks were taken out so people had to talk to each other. Its sad when you go out for a meal and everyone just sits there on their phone. Or they have to put it on the table just in case. My mobile has buttons, it phones people and txts people that is it, most of the time its at home, sorry I think its awful people taking their phone to work.
@LordGeovanni
They don't want people to have fun they want them to explore? That's the whole point of the game.
@khaosklub When walking on streets in more busy areas, I see the spots ahead on the screen, so I know when it is the time for another peek in the bag. But I may have less spawn'n'spots invaded area than you. Here are just few, if any, spots in the malls that ain't worth to pick as the GPS acts crazy in such buildings. It's much better going outside as the city is full of monuments, easy to rememeber.
You may try make your girl memorize some spots and spawns. It's nicer to go outside and appreciate the surroundings than looking down on the screen constantly (and that's safer!)
@khaosklub
My kid plays too and I snap at her to pay attention when she's crossing the street. Or not paying attention on rough terrain.
@Tempestryke
my girl as in girlfriend. Thankfully, I have no children.
@KTT
don't really get it, but trying to get a girl to go outdoors rather than the mall? that's just madness! The girl spends an hour at forever 21. gives me plenty of quality time with my 3DS sitting with all the other boyfriends though.
particularly hard to do in FL... we have summer and then we have super summer. outdoors is just unbearable here.
Ah, I also thought you talked about your kid! Okay, okay, I understand now ^^
@khaosklub
Oh! Sorry. ^-^'
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