Courtesy of long-term projects and some localisation timelines, the 3DS has a pretty decent selection of major retail releases in the first half of 2016. There are games like Fire Emblem Fates, Project X Zone 2, Bravely Second End Layer, Hyrule Warriors Legends and various others depending on your territory; heck, we're going to be cheeky and highlight Metroid Prime: Federation Force, because we want to believe in Next Level Games. Of a small number of studios that can turn a game panned by fans following its reveal into a desirable release, Next Level Games is surely one of them.
Of course, as we head into the second half of the year the picture will remain muddy until Nintendo makes some more reveals, and with the potential for the NX generation to include a portable element - as many believe and a recent patent supports - there could be grounds to wonder whether the 3DS era is heading into its final year.
In a Washington Post interview, Nintendo of America's Scott Moffitt has talked up the portable and its momentum in the marketplace, also throwing out a statistic around the portable's sales in relation to the leading home consoles of this generation.
So far in 2015, sales of the family of Nintendo 3DS hardware in America are actually ahead of last year's pace.
...Nintendo 3DS is here to stay. Let me throw out a number that might surprise you. So far, on a global basis, Nintendo 3DS has sold more hardware than PS4 and Xbox One—combined. Most people find this shocking.
Obviously we don't deny the impact of smart devices on the gaming market. But it's a mistake to consider this a zero-sum game. Clearly gaming on smart devices and gaming on Nintendo 3DS can happily coexist, to the benefit of all gamers. The fact is, playing games on two very different hardware platforms means options for two very different kinds of game play. The inclusion of multiple control buttons on Nintendo 3DS allows a much deeper and more sophisticated type of play.
While that's all positive, we do feel the need to add a dose of context to Moffitt's comments. For starters the 3DS has been on the market - in various forms - since March 2011, giving it a two and a half year head start on PS4 and Xbox One. In terms of 2015 sales tracking ahead of 2014 that remains good news, but don't forget that the New Nintendo 3DS XL - and later a limited bundle of the smaller model - have been available in the Americas since February this year, no doubt bringing a spike in sales.
Moffitt also provided some comment around social and multiplayer aspects in 3DS games, in terms of dealing with cultural differences between Japan and Western markets.
It's true that markets do vary, and population density on average is higher in Japan than in the west. But the social aspects of Nintendo 3DS are enjoyable anywhere. As you know, Nintendo has always placed a premium on developing titles that can be enjoyed by multiple players in the same room. And this kind of fun is amply evident in games like "Super Smash Bros.," "Mario Kart 7" and "The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes." But at the same time, we've seen strong results in online play with franchises like Mario Kart and Monster Hunter.
And social is a major component of our plans moving forward. As you know, our first mobile app for smart devices, called "Miitomo," is based on social interaction. We won't have more to say about that until next year, but with more than 200 million Miis already created, there's a unique opportunity for social interplay in a distinctly Nintendo fashion.
It has certainly been a decent year for 3DS, though arguably not the finest in its short history. It'll be interesting to see how significant a role the New 3DS plays for Nintendo through 2016.
[source washingtonpost.com, via neogaf.com]
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GRRR i want better news on the NX. My 2DS is showing its age, and my Wii U needs a screen repair, although that only costs about $10. Still, I don't want to replace any part of either if the NX is coming out in 6 months and I can just sell both and transfer the games to my NX. Give me more information, Nintendo!
>heck, we're going to be cheeky and highlight Metroid Prime: Federation Force, because we want to believe in Next Level Games.
We don't talk about that.
@russellohh
If I were you, I would honestly just fix your Wii U, we won't know anything until E3. I wouldn't concentrate on the "what ifs" for something like that.
How about new eShop regions in Europe plamned to 10 december ? Nothimg new?
I don't want era of 3ds to end.
It BETTER be here to stay. There'd be no point to the New 3DS if it became obsolete so soon.
As far as I'm concerned the 3ds can go another 5 years. Haven't had this much fun gaming in a long time! It just has a ton of games I prefer to play!
The 3DS is not the PSP. It cannot and will not last as long. Once Nintendo gets busy with their next set of consoles, they're not going to want to have anything to do with the 3DS and, like with the Vita, Western third parties don't care for 3DS. As for the Japanese, I can see them already getting bored of making low budget PSP/PS2-level games, in terms of graphics and complexity; many devs have already moved onto the Vita which is now flourishing in terms of game development.
3DS had a pretty good run despite the bad start and the multitude of bad decisions carried out by Nintendo (specifically NoA), but very soon it needs to step aside and allow the next generation to move forward.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure all this "it's here to stay" bullcrap is similar to the fluff they spouted during the Wii and DS's final years. It's just marketing FLUFF. They don't want people to hold out for a successor during the holiday season considering this is the season of big money for them, so of course they're going to say this.
Good because the 3DS is my favorite handheld ever.
The 3DS is by far the best console of this generation.
@NintyMan
Same here. While I am a 3DS Ambassador, I also transferred those games to my New 3DS and I want that little box of wonders to keep me company for a while.
3DS is probably my favourite console ever
(I started gaming in the Mega Drive/SNES days)
Well to be fair Nintendo released GBC games until late 2001
GBA games kept releasing until 2007
DS games released until 2012
As long as there is games finishing up for 3DS, there is no reason why they can't release them.
@AVahne the problem is most of those vita games are flopping. Every now and again it will have a success like dragons crown or the ff10 he remaster but most titles fail to break the 200,000 mark. Third party's as a whole are still selling better on the 3ds in Japan.
The R and L bumpers on my 3DS XL are starting to go (too much drifting on Mario Kart 7 and dodging on Smash), but I would like to see more support for the system. Maybe indie developers will keep it alive via the eShop, like how a handful of studios are keeping DSiWare afloat with the odd release here and there.
Hopefully this will put to rest those that think that the NX could still be a handheld. In fact, this calls into question a larger issue: If Nintendo isn't ready to talk about the 3DS's replacement when the NX's announcement is around the corner, that tells me that the NX is probably going to be sold while the 3DS still in full support. If that is the case, to what degree of a "hybrid" can the NX really be? How can you sell the 3DS if the NX essentially has a replacement for it right in the box?
2016 is bringing us a lot of sequel and port games. Another 2D Kirby for 3DS is a given. I'm not sure if Nintendo is developing 3DS games with new concepts right now (except Federation Force.)
Really good to know, especially with the "New 3DS"(I call it 3DS Plus, because of added power) just came out and needs about a year and a half to be either truly obsolete or for Ninty to replace it with something HD.
@MrPuzzlez
Not really.
Android makers release their new phone and tablet models every 6 months, which is faster than Apple releases iPhones and iPads.
Yet people eat them up.
The 3DS is a really good machine. I really think all they can do at this point is continue iterating on it. Maybe in a couple of years prices on screens will have gone down enough that they can release an HD 3DS at $200. Now that would be something.
Support will continue into 2016, yes, but what about 2017? 2018? My guess is that 2017 will be the final year for significant releases on 3DS, and 2018 will be the final year of any releases beyond the occasional sequel or port. Development will have all moved on to the NX and mobile by then.
So yes, the 3DS is "here to stay" for another couple of years. Let's be honest, though. Nintendo is not fully taking advantage of the increased hardware capabilities of the New 3DS like they did with the Game Boy Color. Based on their currently publicized plans, they're not even truly supporting it, by comparison. The GBC had many enhanced titles, just not just several, and a goodly number of exclusives. The New 3DS has several enhanced titles and ONE exclusive.
Nintendo has made it abundantly clear that they are not continuing the 3DS in the same way they continued the Game Boy with the GBC. The New 3DS is just being used as a stopgap until the NX. If this were not the case, we would be seeing a much more robust New 3DS exclusive lineup by now, along the lines of the consistent flow of announced GBC exclusives back in 1998-2001. (Then finally Shantae in 2002, of course!)
Nintendo figured out how to market the GBC to GB owners, without dividing the user base very much between them back in 1998-2000, leading up to the GBA. Why is it that Nintendo is unable to do this anymore in 2014-2016, leading up to the NX?
@rsanchez1 Why would you need a hd screen on a system that has average graphics and isnt powerful enough for hd visuals? I love my 3ds, but I cant see the logic in your comment...
It must stay. The 3DS has so many good ones that are quadruple the amount of good things I could ever find for the DS. I could barely find anything I would want for the Vita, which is why I have no interest in getting it.
Bottom line: The 3DS has so many good games that it's a candidate for "My favorite handheld" award in my book.
3rd party support sure, but none of these are big titles. I'm holding out for a 3D Land 2 by the end, and possibly Sunshine for the new model.
Admittingly going by the 2016 lineup it doesn't look like a handheld on its way out. And GBA was supported after DS launched. Plus 3DS has a good sized install base while being easy and cheap to make games for. We will have to wait and see.
I hope it will last until 2018
@FreakFerrett - Nintendo will release a 3DHDS - a console that will have HD capabilities - an HD screen plus an HD processor and then they will release HD games for it. . . he doesn't mean simply put an HD screen on an old 3ds console. .
@FreakFerrett Well, friend, that's simply because you didn't really think your comment through much before you posted it. I think it's beyond obvious that if they release a new iteration in a couple of years, and if this new iteration has an HD screen, it will have the processing power to handle 3D HD graphics.
@PlywoodStick
You do realize GBC launched $70 in U.S. and most games for it were compatible with GB including Pokemon Gold and Silver.
GBC was quickly reduced to $50 and dropped even further.
Going to monochrome to full color was an easy sell, which was motivated by 3rd parties demanding better hardware until GBA was ready.
Project Atlantis aka GBA was supposed to launch in late 1999, but was delayed until mid 2001 due to the huge unexpected sales from GBC.
In comparison
New 3DS XL launched at $180 in NA, while New 3DS launched for ~$150 overseas.
3rd parties aren't willing to support New 3DS features outside of Capcom and a few indies.
3rd parties are ready to move on from 3DS as whole.
3DS line isn't made with off the shelf parts, which means they cannot price drop it as fast.
@AVahne I think its not about developers getting bored, many would continue developing for the ps2 or the ds if those consoles would be still popular and the market would be still active for them, the reson for that is that developing for those consoles was cheap. Nintendo has always had weak hardware because it was cheaper to develop for, so they relied on their strong IPs and creativity to take full advantage of what they had. If you are developing something you want to invest as little as you can so even if it doesnst sell u wont lose money, and thats one of the main reasons not even sony is supporting the vita.. and all these jrps that give the console life (and im starting to love them) are not AAA graphics like titles...
I love the 3ds.It is an amazing the system that sold 50million+ units . And the games that are offered on it are great. Xenoblade chronicles is my absolute first favorite JRPG that I got to play. (I missed out on the wii version sadly).And say what you want about the 3ds version having horrible textures but I say it looks amazing from the atmosphere perspective. And of course there is a TON of other great games on it that I have yet to play. Whenever I want to play a game on the go I choose the 3ds over any free to play IOS/android game. (not that I even played any...lol)
Maybe it will be a third pillar like the GBA?
Yeah. Been here before, Nintendo.
Tech moves on, 3DS is due to get replaced. I'm not convinced we'll see much beyond 2016.
@rsanchez1 Oh well, sorry, I thought u meant updating the screen of the current 3ds.. like what they did with the new 3ds camera, it still plays all regular 3ds games.. but of course if its a totally new console it would desperatly need a better screen and a HD graphics processor...
@rsanchez1 @cfgk24 No, @FreakFerrett has a point. Why would Nintendo make an HD 3DS, when they aren't even fully utilizing the New 3DS they've had on the market for over a year now, and are moving development resources onto the NX? It doesn't make any sense to suppose they will make a further enhanced 3DS, and support that, when they're barely supporting the improved specs 3DS that already exists.
I love the 3DS..it might be my favorite console of all time.
I think Nintendo might push it 1-2 years too far, though. Like they always do. Paper Jam (as much as people like it) already shows that the well is running dry and that they did all they can do on the thing. Indy developers are also moving on when it comes to specs (that's why Isaac is only on NEW 3DS) and 2016 would be the perfect year to evolve. But again, Nintendo will probably wait 1-2 years too long which is too bad.
@Spoony_Tech I'm 100% with you. My black 3ds xl is the best gaming platform I ever had! Nothing comes close. It's not just about hardware and mobility.. But games in general. Every game on PC or PS4 gets boring after few hours. I'm afraid I'm infected by virus called Nintendo
Companies have different approaches, while sony sold the ps3 in the beginning loosing money as the production costs were higher than retail price with the strategy of getting that money back in the games they sold for it, nintendo never would do that, an example of that is why the wii u didnt get a price drop. So nintendo must make a profit on hardware sales, the 3ds is saturating its potential market share.. so of course nintendo will come up with a new console that makes 3ds owners buy it.... thats how it works.. nintendo wants to make money on the new console and the games for it.. otherwise they would continue developing for the ds too..
@FreakFerrett
But PS3 lost billions in the end for Sony, and 360 lost billions for Microsoft.
Every first party always moves on to their new system as soon as it releases.
They may have a few games finishing up for the previous systems that get released, but most people ignore them anyways.
Thats true, I forgot that microsoft also lost tons of money... Now I get it why they were desperatly trying to copy everything nintendo had..
@Xenocity That price argument is irrelevant now. It was a big deal back in the 90s and early 00's, because most people weren't willing to pay for expensive tech upgrades back then. In 2015, people are buying overpriced tech upgrades in droves. Many people even upgrade their mobile devices every year, despite there being no need to capitalize on marginal improvements.
There is far more willingness today to spend $150+ on significant (and even marginal) spec upgrades for hardware. People often just throw their old (or "old", as the case may be) devices into the trash, because they just care about getting the new shiny thing on the block. If Nintendo wanted to, they would have had no problem making a slew of New 3DS exclusive titles... But they aren't doing that, they're just biding time until the NX.
As for compatibility, there's all of ONE exclusive for New 3DS (and none more on the horizon) and only several enhanced titles, while the GBC had more than ten exclusives and far more enhanced titles than that. The two situations are barely comparable, Nintendo today just almost completely lacks support by comparison to their past efforts.
For third parties, it depends on who you're talking about. It's still one of the best selling systems, so why would third parties move on from it so soon? ...Because not even Nintendo themselves are giving it enough support. Third parties won't take the risk because Nintendo isn't giving them a good value proposition and a stable, long term plan; not simply because they're "tired of 3DS development", even though it remains one of the best selling consoles of this generation...
Many people want tech upgrades these days, but Nintendo is not even capitalizing on the one they've already made.
The 3DS is my favourite ever handheld I think. I have the New 3DS now. I think it should continue, but I would be happier if they released some New 3DS only software. A lot of people will upgrade, and newcomers also will want to take advantage of the hardware. I even think there should be more non-gaming apps too.
@FreakFerrett
Actually it's much cheaper and profitable to copy successful ideas than to innovate yourself.
The only device in 2016 that will be "here to stay" in the non-PR way gamers can appreciate is the codenamed NX, whether it launches that year or not.
In other words: It's here to stay, until it isn't.
@PlywoodStick
You do know that most smartphone and tablet buyers, buy heavily subsidized phones and tablets?
Most phones and tablets sold worldwide cost the user less than $150 up front at time of purchase.
In the end those who regularly upgrade are getting their phones and tablets cheaper than those who bought New 3DS at ~$150 overseas.
2016 is the first year of no phone and tablet subsidizes, thus everyone will have to pay full price globally.
We will see how many people will pony up full price for tablets and phones this coming year (I doubt many will).
So yeah price at time of purchase is very important, even if said device comes with an extra monthly charge.
It's corporate speak for "the end is in sight". We'll see the next handheld within a year.
Whenever Nintendo says something good like this I just assume the opposite.
3DSwill get Pokémon XZ and YX end of 2016, but Pokémon was still releasing get on DS after 3DSwill launched so you can't really go by that.
We still don't know what NX is yet. I'm not even convinced ced Nintendo knows when it will launch and how much it will cost. But if it's 1 system, a Wii U 2 with a truly portable Game pad for $400, then 3DSwill can keep going for awhile til the price comes down. And if it's a $250 Wii U without the gamepad, and then the portable Gamepad part comes out 6 months later in 2017, 3DS still has life left.
So yes, 3DS is 5 years old, but it will get another 2.
@russellohh I can assure you that neither system will be replaced in the coming 6 months. If something gets replaced in late 2016, it's probably the 3DS.
Love it when companies spew out utter nonsense as PR. Comparing the sales of a handheld system that's been on the market longer than two handheld systems means absolutely nothing.
Highly doubt the 3DS is around to stay too - the noticeable recent decrease in support is reminiscent of nearly all of their systems/handhelds since the N64. Happy to be proven wrong though, as I do love the 3DS.
@Xenocity That's just specific to mobile devices, though. They may or may not actually own the devices, and if they have enough disposable income to pay for expensive data plans (essentially "renting" the usefulness of the devices), then the New 3DS is not out of reach either. Even if they're not paying the full price for new devices up front (which are often $300-800), they're still paying $150+ for extra plans or other things they don't necessarily need. Once that plan is up, they're left with anywhere between a moderately useful media device and a brick, depending on their needs. They then have to pay into another expensive set of plans for a new device...every year. The 3DS, on the other hand, won't ever suddenly stop performing it's primary function due to plan limitations. One's purchase is secure, because it is free of the worries the smart devices are riddled with.
Keeping people on those plans is a big part of how mobile companies make money, keep production going, and force customers to return and make repeat transactions. Doing away with that model would cripple their cash cow, which I doubt they will allow for long. Not to mention it could be considered a denial of services, especially to those with low income...
As for history... The Game Boy Color launched in the US for $79.99, with 4 launch titles. (Only one of those titles was a dud, Centipede.) Support for it wasn't quite worth the upgrade at first, but within a year, support had significantly grown, from both Nintendo and third parties, and fully documented plans had been laid out in all the major marketing regions for how to convince GB owners to upgrade towards GBC.
By contrast, here we are almost a year later from the New 3DS release, and support for the New 3DS remains lackluster to nonexistent, with the current plans seeming to only focus on a few key enhanced titles (e.g. Monster Hunter). Once NX arrives, 3DS will get shoved out.
@Octane So by "neither system" you mean "the 3DS".
@MoonKnight7 the wii u I will probably go ahead with, although its really just a large scratch on the screen 2-3 inches across. If i can move my digital games to the NX, however, I'll be selling the wii u that day
I don't think that he he means that there won't be another Nintendo handheld coming any time soon, but he means that "a dedicated Nintendo gaming handheld with proprietary physical control inputs" is here to stay.
@WebHead To be fair, that's the lineup in the west, particularly North America. Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Bravely Second, Project X Zone 2, etc are all just pending localisations. Hyrule Warriors Legends and Metroid Prime Fed Force are externally developed.
There really isn't anything internally developed still coming, and Japan's lineup is barren outside of a few sporadic releases like Monster Hunter Stories and Yokai Watch 3 (was that game even confirmed for 3DS? Might have been another Etrian Odyssey V or Pikmin 4 - announced, but platform and release period are unconfirmed).
They can easily replace the 3DS in Japan next year.
There is no way that Nintendo will drop the 3DS when the NX comes out. NX will likely take some time to build up an installed base of users. Nintendo will want to have some high margin games on the 3DS to help boost income while they ride out the transition. Besides, core gamers always seem to have the mindset that as soon as the next big thing comes along no one cares about the old products anymore. That may be true for them, but it is not true for the market as whole. If Nintendo cuts the price of the new 3DS next fall then can continue to get good sales out of it for quite some time yet.
I have to say, despite wanting to come here celebrating (for a change with this website) and discussing how great the 3DS has been and will continue to be, after just glancing over the 50 or so comments I am absolutely gob-smacked (look it up people not from the UK) at how many people are at a stage where they assume the opposite to what Nintendo say, even when evidence supports their statement. These conspiracy theorists need to get a grip if this is what they come to, I can't imagine living my life where I assume the opposite of every statement said to me, unless with these people it's just a special case with Nintendo.
A Nintendo employee saying that they're not going to abandon their main money making method (A+ for alliteration there) is apparently 'utter nonsense'. Good grief and I thought I was the cynical one as far as these game companies are concerned.
Well I guess this kind of throws the hybrid NX rumor out the window. I'm somewhat relieved, yet worried a little as I've mentioned in an earlier comment, and that's because of the dual buying of SSB and what is now seen with hyrule warriors. Charging people twice for the same DLC is completely unreasonable.
Personally. I hope it is here to stay. I love the 3DS. I think the system can be pushed way further along. I would love to see more games like Xenoblade tweaked to run on the the older models or games like it. The system still has so much more to offer and it had been upgraded a short time ago with really no games other than Xenoblade showing off the new hardware. I personally dont have the new system but will at some point.
Was a cheap comment about PS4 and XB1 - I almost thought he meant solely for 2015, which would have been impressive. I'd rather have those numbers. In about 6 weeks we'll have the final 2015 sales in, which hopefully won't make his comments now seem a bit silly.
The sooner Nintendo combines home and portable the better: I hope we reap the benefits with twice as many 1st party games and extra 3rd party support.
Heck, keep the 3ds alive. Developers probably have a good handle on the system. Pump out a couple more years! And use the freaking New 3ds lol.
I love my 3DS so I'm fine with this news. Hopefully give Intelligent Systems enough time to get an Advance Wars for 3DS out!
I would not be surprised if 3DS is the last dedicated handheld from Nintendo. With that being said, if quality titles are still made for it then great, keep it coming for as long as possible which is probably 2 years tops.
@Xenocity
I sort of agree with you. It seems the skill in gaming, in fact the entertainment business, is knowing when to try something new but also which of other peoples ideas to steal. It's the way of the world. See The Beatles, Apple, Microsoft etc.
@TheLastLugia The 3DS is great, and continues to do well. The problem is that Nintendo isn't moving on to the New 3DS, to keep it going even into the NX era. If anything, it seems like they're preparing to pack up their bags once 2017 rolls around. The New 3DS could be used to help extend the 3DS library, much as the GBC did for the GB... But instead, it's just being used as a stopgap upgrade.
Based on their own marketing and publicly announced plans, the fact is that they're not planning for the 3DS to stick around much longer come 2017; they're going to move on to NX and mobile. It's not bashing Nintendo to say that (which in this case means Nintendo is doing the opposite of what they're saying), it's just calling a spade a spade.
@TheLastLugia
I can only speak for myself but I "assume the opposite to what Nintendo say" because of 24 years experience as a fan of, and purchaser of, Nintendo products.
"Bullish"?
There won't be many more exclusives for the New 3DS, if any. Hardware iterations that split the userbase often fail to get serious support - Mega CD is the classic example but there are others like Playstation Move, 32X, Kinect. GBC is the exception (depending if you regard it as an iteration or a new console with BC), not the rule.
Sure, until NX arrives.
@russellohh I never understand people that sell all old consoles and their games!
Well I disagree with you all. I think the 3ds is here to stay and will continue to until NX is announced at E3. Even then there is no guarantee that the NX is replacing it. Even if it is I will be sticking with my handheld.
@electrolite77 GBC is indeed considered to be a 5th console generation device, while the original GB is considered a 4th gen device. It represented a significant enough upgrade to warrant a good number of exclusives, and far more enhanced titles. On the other hand, 3DS teeters between being a late 7th and early 8th gen device, while the New 3DS is clearly worthy of being a fully fledged 8th gen device. If Nintendo had chosen to fully support the New 3DS, it would probably survive into the 9th gen.
Unfortunately, Nintendo completely dropped the ball this gen, and is digging an early grave for the 3DS. By not providing more support for New 3DS by creating a new barrage of exclusives and enhanced titles (except for a few, like Monster Hunter) into the completion of the 8th gen, Nintendo is essentially making 2017 the end of the 3DS' effective life span, instead of 2019 or 2020 through the New 3DS.
The 3DS has more or less become a casualty of Nintendo's restructuring their home and portable departments into one, as well as a casualty of the DeNA capital alliance.
@electrolite77 Exactly. The only real reasons why GBC did well is that it was advertised and marketed as a new platform nearly 10 years after the original GB launched, even though it's not technically a different platform - Nintendo always combines sales of the GB and GBC - and it also launched around the same time as the cocaine injection that was Pokemon.
So basically the NX is definitely not the next handheld.
The 3DS is my favourite console ever. It's brilliant.
It gets a lot of stick for being under powered, and that may be true... But it reminds me of past console generations.
It has great games from the n64 (Zelda, Star Fox 64) and PS2 (Monster Hunter, MGS3) to all of its great eShop games and VC.
I love my 3DS, and I pride myself on having a great collection of download exclusives on it, so long after the eShop dies, I will have one bad a$$ system with some hard-to-get games on.
I hope it survives another few years. They need to make more New 3DS exclusives, though.
@AVahne Vita is more popular in Japan.
I wonder if the New 3ds will integrate with the NX as a controller
@russellohh There is no way it's coming out in six months. 12 months is possible but unlikely in my view.
Although it came out earlier than the xboxone and ps4, by the looks of it, I don't think they'd reach this many units sold anyways. 3DS will stay on top here.
Also, with development costing so much for the new consoles, and less on 3ds, I can still see the 3ds being a popular platform to develop for.
3ds console for children...
@sandman89 I've owned 900 games. I can't imagine filling 2 rooms of my house with games I haven't played in 20 years, and more than i can imagine keeping an old VHS player for a 30-year old copy of a movie! And for some games, like Earthbound, I sold a half-working copy for $60 (a fully working copy sells for $300) and picked it up later on Wii U for $5. The same thing with my copy of Jade Empire- sold it back when i could get $50 for it. Now, its free on PC, and runs much smoother. Why keep the old one lying around?
@amiiboacid Definitely 6-12 months, and 8 is far more likely. The Wii U dev kit came out 8 months before the first game hit the shelves. The wii dev kit came out 9 months before the games hit the shelves. The gamecube dev kit came out 8 months before the gamecube hit the shelves.
The NX dev kit came out 2 months ago. Unless Nintendo is doing something completely different- and since this system is trying to compete with the Xbone and PS4 more so than the Wii and Wii U competed with anything- it seems to be on the same timeline as the last 15 years of Nintendo dev kits.
@Rez what?
When 3DS launched it already had outdated hardware. Its start was bad, with small number of launch tittles and its ridiculously expensive price. And all the rumours about 3D hurting your eyballs and head didn't help either. Everybody was like "3DS is doomed, its full of flaws, 3D is gimmick and the system is Nintendo's major flop!".
No Nintendo Zone for some (to this day), no eShop cards in its earlier (and later) days, confusion with currency when you finally got a card from another country... No second analog stick after XL was anounced. And all those mediocre games in eShop scoring very well in reviews because there was literally nothing else to play and compare to... Those were like dark ages for the system.
But 3DS is in fact on of the best handhelds around, and easily my favourite handheld, next to GBC. With CPP support this thing can turn into a neat gaming machine, and with all the games we currently have, you cannot go wrong with it. Both retails and eShop, there is plenty to choose, from any kind of genre.
Moreover, the system also encourages you to do some activities, via introducing Play Coins. I swear, I did a lot of long walks just to see if I can beat my record from the previous day/month etc. I always like to walk but this thing made me walk even more, and in the funny turn of events, it probably improved my health with that
N3DS improved (althrough a little bit late) the system making it pretty much just like it should be from the begining.
I do hope they will continue supporting the system, the things are getting better and better, though I dubt it. They may release some eShop games but I don't expect retails when NX appear.
There is no need for newer hardware yet. As far as sales numbers are concerned how many people own more then one 3ds. There is 5 here between my wife and myself. Those numbers are padded just like the DS.
The 3DS is really showing its age, it needs a replacement sooner rather than later.
@BaffleBlend
The N3DS has been out a year (depending on your region), the DSi had been out 2 years by the time the 3DS came about
Good to hear that it is here to stay for a little while longer because I am simply not done with the system! Judging by next year's lineup we are in for another great year of games and you can bet I will be enjoying every minute of it.
I picked up the new 3DS XL a month ago I've owned a 3DS since launch and I am completely happy with mine I really like the added features of the new 3DS XL it is my favorite all time system I hope it stays around for a couple more years , I get so tired of hearing its outdated , last gen., NO it's not in my opinion its still ahead of its time in some areas and in my opinion the 3D EFFECT looks better than HD .
More evidence for the NX being a home console. I don't mind if Nintendo sticks to the 3DS longer than they normally would
I love my 3ds!
Nintendo Please, let the handheld device stay pure.
Get rid of the home console if anything!
How on Earth has anybody come to any conclusions about NX not being a handheld from what a PR guy says about 3DS?! Seriously?
Kill it fast, I say.
Nintendo has suffered enough for the incompatibility between it and the console. The screen is 3D. Amazing! It is also horrible for anything with any detail to anyone who has any type of modern portable device in the last couple of years. The standard that games have to follow with a single analog stick limitation and you can't even count on 3D. The architecture of the device is incompatible with just about everything. Middleware that developers are used to cant' apply to it.
Kudos to Nintendo for getting this device in so many hands and for making it quite capable and attracting third parties with great games, but to me it is now a horrible prison for games I'll likely never play because I just can't stand the cramped controls and ugly, ugly screen. It's not just pixels I can see individually it's the perfectly clear black screen door effect throughout the screen. Every pixel is surrounded by a little opaque cage. A nice metaphor for games on the platform.
When it takes a monumental effort to make a game cross platform between the only two hardware platforms you have it's time to leave it behind. The last thing Nintendo needs is what it has had for the life of 3DS and Wii U. A split developer base. All those third parties finding success on the 3DS could have been enticed to go to Wii U if it wasn't such a completely different environment.
Nintendo has already joined the hardware departments. Converging the platform architectures and development environments is already happening. It can't come soon enough!
I absolutely LOVE my 3DS. That thing gets taken everywhere with me in hopes I get street passes from where ever I go and I seldom come back home without any. I hope it's going to stay around for a long time and I hope that the current games (digital and physical) run on the new hardware whenever they decide to get that out.
@Will-75 yes - I'm with you on this. I never used 3D with the first gen 3DS because worrying about that sweet spot took me out of the moment. But the new 3DS is definitely amazing and keeps me in the moment and engaged. I hope for a few more games that take advantage of the new hardware.
But on the other hand, I can totally see why it would be good to get rid of it being how different it is to develop for-- that's definitely not a good thing for a healthy company to stay healthy. I guess time will tell.... I'm just glad to own the 3DS even though they released GBA games on Wii U — competely backwards in my opinion but I'm glad we got them at all!
I want the 3DS to live another good two years, there haven't been many 'New' games and I feel there is still a lot of greatness that can be had with the machine... saying that I'm still collecting for the GameBoy!
@Octane
Lol no Octane, it will be the Wii U, not the 3DS. Notice even the article writer assumes the home console piece definitely and a pprtable piece as a maybe. Its happening no matter how much you fight it!
@ikki5 Correct
There's still plenty of life in the 3DS line, and the large library (DS & 3DS) speaks volumes for it continued longevity. I can't wait to see what new game ideas the New 3DS will bring along, and we may finally get some SNES & GBA VC emulation ... right? >_>
@Nicolai I keep thinking that the New 3ds might be the mobile part of NX
How is that bullish?
They really shouldn't even think of replacing the 3DS. Its a perfect system selling so well in Japan and also quite popular in America. With the new 3DS this should continue for a good number of years, not showing its age at all.
@LetsGoRetro @ikki5 @Operative
As @Serebii can attest to, NX is most likely a multiple form factor ecosystem - an NX Handheld and an NX Console. They have the same services, same OS, same architecture, and most of the same games. The games would simply scale to fit the hardware it's being played on, much like PCs.
This is based off of comments made by Iwata, and the fact that both Wii U and 3DS are winding down at the same time.
What's being said in this article is just PR speak, but if it did mean anything it would point to a staggered release - NX Handheld in Japan and NX Console in the west in Holiday 2016, then the NX Handheld in the west and maybe the NX Console in Japan in Spring 2017.
@TomKnows I honestly don't know where people get this idea of 'Vita is more popular in Japan' from. Clearly you didn't recently check the charts, where a certain once Sony handheld exclusive series just sold 2 million in under 3 weeks with its latest instalment, this series being by quite a distance the most popular in Japan over the last 5 years. I am of course talking about Monster Hunter, which also has 2 more games well on the way for a Japanese release in 2016. All of them being 3DS exclusives and the gap could be so wide that (from my very, very rough estimations admittedly) by the end of the Vita and 3DS's life-cycles, the Monster Hunter series ALONE could have sold more than all other Vita exclusives combined in Japan.
Where is this so called movement of Japanese devs to the 'thriving' PS Vita happening? @AVahne Because I sure as hell never see it on the chats. Level-5, Capcom Square-Enix and Nintendo are by some distance the most popular and successful Japanese developers for Japanese gamers, and they don't care at all about the Vita. Monster Hunter, Yokai-Watch, Dragon Quest, Animal Crossing and Pokemon, what has the Vita ever had to compete against even those 5?
Despite its rocky start the 3DS is Nintendo's best handheld to date(imo) but by the end of 2016 we should at least know of a successor because its the right time(again imo) You never know it could be out by then as part of the NX.
@IceClimbers
Exactly. NX will likely replace both 3DS and Wii U and both consoles will get very little support after that point.
That anyone can have read this article - basically 'marketing man says please buy our current thing, it's great and will last forever honest!' - and decided NX isn't a Handheld is bizarre and a touch amusing.
@Kejomo
That would be awsome! You give people what they think is a simple upgrade, then BOOM! Turns out you just bought a part of the anticipated NX! If that were the case, I NEED AN N3DS NOW! My OG model 3DS is starting to age pretty badly.
So yeah we all have this awesome 3ds console, pretty much everyone in the developed world has one, to hear Nintendo tell it. And yet they don't want to make/sell any good games for it, especially in North America. Why?! That just makes gamers angry and disillusioned. Bad move, Nintendo.
As far as the NX being a platform that has both console and portable components sold separately, it's a sensible dream. I really like it and my hopes include competitive performance and a new architecture third parties can embrace easily.
But then I start thinking about control options and backwards compatibility and all the reality that comes with it like price points. It all gets complicated fast. Like any fan there's very little I want to give up in the transition to the new hardware but compromises will have to be made.
Well if you talk about the 3DS in terms of America then sure. The 3DS isn't "slowing down" that much in the US especially not compared to 2014 which was a low point for the 3DS globally.
But if you look at where the 3DS has sold the most? About 30% of 3DS hardware and software has been sold in the US. Japan is at 35% for hardware and 40% for software. And sure in Japan the 3DS still dominates.. but it's slowing in Japan faster than anywhere else.
I doubt Nintendo will discontinue the 3DS for a number of reasons.
1. The 3ds is still maturing and can certainly be bumped up in screen size, resolution and processing power. 3DS games are capable of higher resolution graphics, as seen in some emulators already.
2. The 3DS has no comparable competition. If any company copied its technology, then Nintendo would be onto them.
3. The 3DS is a cash cow for Nintendo. They are the highest performing listed stockmarket company in the gaming sector. They would be mad to retire the 3DS prematurely, especially when there is no established platform to replace it. Nintendo have doggedly held on during the woeful days of WiiU and old 3DS, so they are unlikely to throw it all away when things are looking up.
4, The New 3DS has recently been introduced as is going very well, despite few games taking advantage of the increased CPU and c-stick. And despite losing circle pad pro optionality.
So there. Long live the 3DS.
@kenzo
1. That was just done and barely any games are taking advantage. Would better for a clean break and new system for those types of advances.
2. There is plenty of comparable competition. Competition doesn't have to be an exact copy to overtake it.
3. Nobody is suggesting 3DS would be retired without a replacement. Even if a new portable device coinciding with NX comes end of next year 3DS will live on for a while after just like the DS.
4. It's a stopgap before whatever the successor will be. That's what I always thought from the day it was announced and again, if 3DS is going to be replaced it won't be until late 2016 at the earliest by most estimates. That's a whole more year. How long did DSi exist before 3DS?
If it really is here for a bit longer, why no more big first party games being announced?
Another 3D Mario would be great.
If the NX is a home console, then what are the plans for the next portable system?
@Socar I can't see Nintendo releasing a successor myself, maybe a hybrid but not a dedicated portable.
Looking forward to Bravely Second, for sure. I'll remain skeptical on the new Metroid offering, though.
If it gets around 18 more months as the main focus handheld, then it's pretty much on par with the DS lifespan. Seems like enough time to justify what he's said about things not being over for it.
Yes sure, it will stay here forever, sinds it's still a little moneymachine.
I'm curious what will happen, now that sony gave up on handhelds. Bad competition = bad.
@Mr_Zurkon @Socar
I'm with the others. NX will have a unified OS just like Android, iOS and Windows. It will run in different Nintendo NX hardwares (handheld and home consoles that will vary in specs). Most games on it can be played on a weaker handheld (with weaker resolution/graphics) and on a home console with better graphics/features.
It's like computers, tablets and phones that Nintendo could release a better spec after a certain time. So we'll see hardware NX 1, NX2, NX 3 and so on just like iPad 1, 2, 3 or Samsung Galaxy S1, S2, S3 and so on. But games and apps run on all those systems with the newer versions offering better graphics or faster performance.
Edit:
It doesn't mean Nintendo will release a NX hardware every year though. Maybe every 3 years. This will also solve problems with backwards compatibility from now and onwards as they'll just make the necessary adjustments on the graphical settings depending on the specs of the NX hardware. No more expensive and time-consuming porting.
This isn't surprising at all and is expected: Nintendo has always had some overlap when new systems release. There's usually no more than about 2 years of overlap before the previous system finally bows out and developers start concentrating their efforts solely on the latest hardware. (During this interim period, devs are mostly dishing out quick, mediocre ports that usually aren't worth playing, anyway.)
This just shows that the DS brand has great longevity in consumers minds, while the Wii brand was ultimately a fad.
This makes things tricky for Nintendo- While the NX will clearly replace wii, could it attract the consumer base attached to 3DS? Is there going to be a more basic portable version and a premium juiced up version? How can Nintendo manage this asymmetric situation?
I have bought and sold 4 different console versions of 3DS, and have probably spent 3 or 4 times as much on handheld software compared to Wii U. It's a great platform with great games and it probably has another couple years in it should Nintendo decide to keep it going.
I'm sick of the 3DS's 400x240 screen. The next system needs at least a 800x480 screen.
@paganSVK I (developers) got an email saying its been delayed for technical reasons. Real pity, would have been a nice holiday boost.
Personally, I'm glad the 3DS is here to stay. So far, they have only released one game that you can only play on the New 3DS XL and they need to release way more games you can only play on the system to make it worth buying.
@Splatburst That's an interesting theory, I can't wait until we get some more details from Nintendo.
2016 Will be the 3ds last year will be the main handheld for nintendo. 2017 will be the sign off.
My 3ds XL is definitely beginning to show its age. I think in 2016, it will become too slow to have anywhere near decent loading times for most games and I'll have to invest in a New 3ds XL.
Yes, Black Friday was important but not for Nintendo. The New 3DS models have improved 3DS sales, naturally.
@IceClimbers
My stance is its definitely a home console and possibly a hybrid. Im open to either. Me and the guy i was responding to have argued back and forth on the forums about it.
However, you and the other guy that can attest to it, are only guessing, as am I. There are no comments made by Iwata that verify this
But I still think a new handheld is launching next year. New 3DS is a stopgap/holdover, nothing more. Even with the New models, its clear 3DS isn't enough for developers anymore, they're ready for new hardware.
@russellohh No, I said nothing will be replaced in the coming six months, a new system in late 2016 is possible, but something in early 2016 is vert unlikely at this point.
@LetsGoRetro Writing articles doesn't give you any more credibility.
Here's the thing- the market is NOT as healthy as it used to be. That whole point about more sales than X1/PS4, I think there's reason to that.
They're saying, "Look, it ain't easy selling this many units, and with Wii U stagnating the 3DS is the only reliable platform we have. If we move on to another handheld, there's no guarantee it won't end up like Wii U. The 3DS launch helped drive that reality home. So, for the foreseeable future, we plan to keep 3DS around"
And, can you blame them?
@Cathousemaster wow thats shame.
Can u tell me when it will work?
@Octane
You're right, it doesn't, necessarily, but since this is a gaming company filled with people who interact with and interview people behind the scenes, who knows what they have been told or figured out themselves that they can't say? It really says something when everyone in the industry that talks about this seems to assume it's a home console. Also, NX is brought up whenever Wii U is brought up. Funny how at times like this, when someone is talking about 3DS, they don't mention NX, EVER.
@JaxonH EXACTLY! Why replace the money maker and keep the bomb?
I'm not really ready for the 3ds era to end, I have enjoyed that system a lot. I bought the original 3ds and then traded in recently for a deal to get the new 3ds xl. I know all systems come to an end at some point. So I'm glad they aren't ending it quite yet. I'm still looking forward to playing a few games like Zero Time Dilemma, Dragon Quest VII, and a few others.
Remaining Bullish is what has them in their current situation now!! And I'll add stubbornness to boot!!
There was a time that my now 12 year old son couldn't separate himself from his Wii or his 3DS!! Then Xmas of 2013 he got an iPhone for Xmas and hasn't touched the 3DS since!! On Wii it was Mario & DKC all the way - then he discovered call of duty and NBA 2K and madden. Hasn't touched his Wii since! This is a good example why Nintendo is losing customers in droves daily!
My son asks all the time why games like call of duty and grand theft auto are not on Wii u!
He thinks that's "dumb" and pointed out that it would be cool AND Convenient to jump from games like Mario to call of duty to madden etc on a Nintendo system!!
3DS hardware sales are bolstered by a single person owning many variations at some point, be it some hardware revision (XL, 2DS, New) or a LE. I myself have owned an OG 3DS (sold), OG XL (gifted), New XL and 2DS.
I see it lasting to the end of 2016, but nintendo may end any work on games before then (they seem to stop working on games for their systems and handhelds 6-8 months before the next ones launch). There could be some other developer games released on it, just like the Wii, but I see it ending at the end of 2016, and nintendo's next focus being on the NX...unless the NX flops, then they'll move back to the 3DS.
@LetsGoRetro Well, it's a bit of a circle argument. Everyone assumes the NX is the successor to the Wii U and therefore they always mention the Wii U and the NX together; More people assume that's the case, because everyone else thinks the NX is their next home console and therefore more people mention the two together more often.
''Why replace the money maker and keep the bomb?''
Explain to me why Nintendo replaced the GBA two years earlier than they replaced the GameCube? The GBA was replaced in 2004, the GameCube in 2006; Both launched in 2001. The GBA sold 4 times as many units in its three-year lifespan than the GameCube did in five years.
>NEW< 3DS has been a complete waste of money for me. Been out for over a year now, and the only games that take advantage of it are remakes and ports. Oh and Smash, which doesn't so much take advantage of it but allows it to run properly, which a regular 3DS struggles to do. Talk about a squandered opportunity. Sure it has all the system menu improvements, but that doesn't mean jack to me when 98% of all new releases are still developed with the 3DS in mind and N3DS is basically pushed to the side.
Sorry Nintendo, I heard this story when I bought my DSi XL model only to have it abandon months later.... YOu'll not trick me a second time. "Fool me once, shame on YOU, fool me twice, shame on ME..."
@Octane I bought the GB Micro late after sales stopped and I still use it today, it rocks for portable gaming... Yes, why did they stop selling it? They need to figure out a way to stop ending old models (keep them available at lower production runs) and allow Devs to make games for whatever they want... I'd buy for any of them if the game is worthy. I believe Retro sales prove this would be true across the board.
@NintyMan An updated Wario Twisted would be a shoe -in seller for this system due to all the input options... but we all know how N overlooks opportunity right in front of them...
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