Back in 2013 famed writer and game maker Shigesato Itoi described the prospect of Mother 4 as impossible. That was a pretty blunt comment, though naturally it didn't stop fans from dreaming.
Perhaps we should move on to other games on our wishlists, though, as Itoi-san has once again emphatically ruled out producing another entry in the series, saying it's "totally impossible". On this occasion, though, he gives some solid reasoning to Game Watch Impress as to why that is the case, explaining that he makes a living elsewhere and that, creatively, it's difficult to match the three games already produced.
When I made 3, I thought I could do it, so I did it.
Among big-time popstars, if they, you know, put out ten albums, around the fourth album, they can't make very good songs. The albums sell, but everyone at the concerts wants to hear songs from those first three albums. Everyone.
I'm glad that video games are not my profession. If it was my job, I would've already made 4 and 5.
Fans continue to keep the series alive, of course, but outside of that it seems a comeback isn't on the cards. On the plus-side Mother 3 was recently confirmed for the Wii U Virtual Console in Japan, so we're hopeful that the recent localisation of the NES original as Earthbound Beginnings will act as a spur to complete the trilogy in the West.
With thanks to Benson for the heads up.
[source game.watch.impress.co.jp, via kotaku.com, nintendoeverything.com]
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The games are so expansive, that if he doesnt think he can make another, i am okay with the three we got. I really love these games but i am glad itoi doesnt want to run this to the ground.
It reminds me of Naughty Dog, as to why they didn't want to make another Jak and Daxter. They said that they wouldn't enjoy making another and therefore, didn't want to ruin the franchise. I see the same pattern here, and I can respect that. Plus, isn't there a fan-made (and free!) Mother 4 game that received Itoi's blessing?
Hats off to the guy for not putting money first. Or is he just not in the industry anymore? Now, if they'd just release Mother on the 3DS, maybe I could see what all the fuss is about.
Oh well, the Mother franchise will slowly die. Ness and Lucas are more popular in Smash than their own games. Pretty pathetic.
Remake all three in a grand scale 3D rpg collection for NX. Keep the stories etc. That's probably the onky way the west will ever get Mother 3.
Firstly, the series itself isn't taking place in a story that requires continuation.
Secondly, he's a writer not a game producer so of course its only natural for him to say that. And quite honestly, after getting Undertale, I'm fine that we don't get Mother sequels simply because there will be spiritual successors to earthbound like Undertale.
Hey, that's all fine by me. Just localize Mother 3 and I'll buy that so I can support the series instead of just playing the translation cart I have (though I'll keep playing the translation cart unless it's released on the 3DS).
As difficult as it can be for fans who want new stuff, not everything needs to be a series with infinite sequels. Let the characters live on in other things (like Ness and Lucas do in Smash Bros.), but some ideas are better left at less games.
(I say this more as an Umihara Kawase fan than a Mother series fan, though. Like, sure, there were only technically three fully original entries in that series too. But it's not like those games go away when we say "sayonara.")
Even if new entries won't be made, it would always be lovely to see more love given to the three core entries.
No reason they can't be remade for a new generation, or at least enhanced ports. There were GBA ports of Mother 1 + 2 after all.
But above all else, an official localization or western release of Mother 3, for sure.
Why would he ever want to work with Nintendo again? Who can blame him?
Why don't people leave him alone about this? He has said multiple times that he finished the story. Would you want to be constantly pestered about something you did years ago AND you said it was done? I swear some fans think that just because they bought a product or saw a movie that they have creative control over it.
Worse part is if Nintendo decided to milk the franchise and just spam sequels without Itoi's input then folks would complain. "they changed it now it sucks!"
Let's bring 3 over here first...
Just give us Mother 3 and we'll be happy
The series is only a thing in the west because of the inclusion of Ness in Smash Bros. literally no one knew about Earthbound in Europe in the pre Internet age. Only those glued to gaming mags in the SNES era would have knew because of a disappointment the game never made it west. Earthbound barely sold in the US - it was a cult game that has caught the imagination of the relatively small cult that regard it as one of the best games of all time.
Itoi is a celebrity in Japan - Japanese fans know it was just a 'side project' for him which is why a lot of people over there love it. Video games are more in line with movies and music over there in terms of perception of that media.
There will never be a Mother 4 - Nintendo have only released the games on VC and acknowledged the series because of an outpouring of love awarded to the series by that small cult of Earthbound fans and because of those who wanted to play that game they read about on the Internet and was so out of reach for so long.
Can someone explain to me why he's the only one who can make a Mother game? I've always seen this "Itoi doesn't want to do it" reasoning to explain why there won't be any continuation to the series, but it's not like Nintendo's going to stop making Mario games when Miyamoto retires. Heck, they passed Zelda from Miyamoto to Aonuma and nobody cared.
Not that I think it would happen, anyway, because a new game in that style wouldn't financially be worth the effort, but that's a much better excuse not to make it than the fact that this guy ran out of ideas.
This is the reason why the fans are making the next Mother game. It hasn't been released yet, but it sure looks awesome! Here's the link for anyone that wants to learn about it: http://www.mother4game.com
We could get at least a full collection with all 3 games released in both 3DS and Wii U (possibly NX). I'm tired of poor VC conversions, the NES VC emulator on 3DS isn't even as good as a GBC one.
Well, we at least still have that fan game to look forward to...or we could get Mother 3...or there's still Undertale. Anyways, while it does suck that Mother 4 is impossible, I can understand his reasoning.
Doesn't sound like it's 'totally impossible'. Just that he doesn't want to try to do it, because he fears it won't be as good as the previous games. It's not like they can't let anyone else make a 4th game, IPs switch developers a lot, everywhere.
@bro2dragons I think the general perception is that it's his baby. I'm not sure whether there's something in place legally but the script is certainly written by him and the series' charm and humour is undoubtedly attributed to itoi for certain. I think the notion of Japense perception of the west that's contained in those games also is the product of Itoi's imagination.
It would be like Metal Gear Solid without Kojima's input. (Wait a minute that might happen...!)
@Cinnamon115 That isn't really what Mother 4 would be though. I'm sure it will be a good game but that's more like Mother 3.1: The Fangame. Especially when you consider Mother 3 itself was originally supposed to be a full 3D N64 game.
It also matches what Itoi said about people only wanting "The first three albums" since in attempting to remain faithful to the original three the fangame makers already appear to be more rigid and straying less from the originals than I'd imagine if Itoi or Nintendo did end up making Mother 4 themselves.
Ugh god he shouldn't have to explain it twice to you greedy children.
@Nintendude789 Like all characters are more popular in Smash than their own games.
It seems like Itoi does not want Mother 4 to happen at all. He could of at least leave the possibility open for the future when he does come with ideas to top the original games should that day ever come.
I should know all of this by now, but I can't help but get sad every time we get more confirmation on it.
Wow...check out the integrity of this guy. I have so much respect for him /bow.
I'd settle for getting number 3
Dear people that keep begging Shigesat itoi. I want you to make a game that's a huge RPG and come up with every idea you can possibly think for it and develop the ENTIRE thing. drops mic. And yes mother 3 VC NEEDS to come to other countries other than just japan.
Here's hoping you-know-which-fan-sequel won't get C&D'd, especially considering how close to completion it is, as well as Itoi's blessing ("I'd rather play it [M4] than make it").
Why should there be a fourth game? For once there's a trilogy that's actually completed and doesn't have a million sequels and spin-offs.
But hey, there's that fan project...
Mother 3 as an ending makes sense. I'd rather see something die of its own will, then get dragged and stained by a sequel that could miss what made the originals so good in the first place.
Not saying Nintendo or someone else would make a bad sequel, I'm just saying it could lack the soul the older entires had.
Besides, why do people even want a Mother 4 anyway?
@Nintendude789 - games as good as the Mother series will never die
I'd say release Mother 3 to the west and leave Mother 4 for that fangame makers. Honestly, though, I can't wait for that fan-made Mother 4 anymore! I'm just gonna keep playing Undertale until they release it!
That's a refreshing attitude.
And personally, I think it's fine.
Mother as a series has already had a huge impact.
There's that fan made Mother 4 in the works which looks promising, but I recall people here wanted it to die, for some reason, despite that is well known that an official Mother 4 will not happen.
You can never please anybody
@sagen
Trust me, it will. Since no more games are being made, not many people will not even know what Earthbound is.
Virtual Console re-releases won't cut it. Earthbound/Mother will eventually be forgotten.
@Nintendude789 That's life. Handle it!
I don't understand why it has to be him. Someone else start working on it. Also, as someone already pointed out here: It's not a continuous storyline. Make the next game with different characters in a different "country" at a different time.
We're not talking about "endless sequels" here. We're talking about a series with a certain concept, style and humor that's far from having reached it's potential...there's lots more to do here.
just let me have the first three on 3ds or nx and i will be thrilled!
An official Mother 4 game won't happen. Deal with it. Itoi owns part of the rights to the Mother IP, so he has the final say on any official game.
I don't have a problem with it. Itoi wanted the series to be a trilogy, and his creative vision should be respected. Leave it at that. It's time to let it go.
Though I still want Mother 3 in the west.
I can respect that.
Just give us Mother 3 in any way, shape or form here in the west and I'll be fine.
Believe it or not this is actually good news for me to hear since I think it is better to end the series than to keep pumping out games for the sake of it. That being said perhaps he could collaborate with someone else in order to get those creative juices flowing, or maybe hand it off to someone else entirely.
I'd love to see Mother 4 be made. However, I respect the views of the creator. If they don't want it to be made, then that's fine with me. Besides, the game would probably end up not being that brilliant if they created it while not really wanting to play it.
His reasoning feels pretty weak. The fourth albums of my favourite musician is his best so far in my opinion. True artists don't suddenly cease to be creative after a certain amount to time. If he can't come up with another good game idea then he should just say that.
And I see no reason as to why the games can't be handed off to another game creator within Nintendo. I hate to see good IPs just fade away.
@Nintendude789 Yeah, no. I'll admit that most people know Ness and Lucas thanks to smash, but to call that pathetic, makes you even more pathetic.
Mother 2 and 3 are currently considered 2 of the best games of all time, true gaming gems that won't be forgotten, no matter what you say or what your reasoning is, they simply won't fade away.
Ironically, even though those psychic boys are better known for smash, it was because of Ness' single appearance in the very first smash 64 that people started to get awfully curious to check out the game where he was from, and voilá, the cult folllowing for mother 2 was born, the same applies to Lucas and mother 3 when he appeared in brawl.
Your reasoning is as stupid as saying that gunstar heroes will be forgotten just because there hasn't been a new installment recently.
If Shigesato Itoi doesn't want to make mother 4 just put Toby Fox to make it
The MOTHER trilogy is just fine as a trilogy. The fan-made fourth game looks really good, but I don't think it's something Nintendo, especially with how they've been recently, would be able to pull off with any tact. Itoi is totally right about this.
And the "push Itoi out of it and work on it anyway" crowd is just... why. You want a fourth game so bad that you're willing to accept just anything regardless of who's making it and what it's about?
Wish the Mother series became bigger but I can't argue with his reasoning, Makes sense to me.
A HD remake of the entire trilogy would be nice...
I think he should do a director's cut of the original series first, then make a prequel trilogy purely for financial reasons. That usually works wonders for a beloved franchise, and certainly won't cause any backlash.
@bngrybt He wouldn't do any of those things, the Mother trilogy is just as fine as it is in his eyes, not to mention that those ideas you proposed are the exact opposite of what he wants.
Sure, the director's cut won't cause any backlash, but a prequel trilogy? Prequel to what? The only game that could have a prequel is Mother 3; SPOILERS ALERT one that covers the lives of the citizens of Tazmily before the world reset, but that would be lame as hell, I prefer not to know how they lived before and just imagine how everything was before the reset.
So, that's one game, what do the other 2 games will cover? See, that's why Itoi won't do it anymore, the story was closed properly and doesn't need any kind of unnecessary expansion.
@FRANKLIN_BADGE It was a George Lucas joke
@Li_Bae he didn't have a problem working at Nintendo. In fact that's what Nintendo should be saying. After the chaos and development issues for mother 3 or better yet earthbound 64 can you blame them? Is only because iwata came in that they actually were able to get mother 3 finished.
@bngrybt That Georgie boy f*cked it all up real bad, we only needed a 3 hr and a half version of revenge of the sith depicting Anakin's fall from grace, no more and no less.
I support the localisation of Mother 3 in the west (Earthbound ending maybe will be named ?)
will be curious if Itoi produces a new franchise instead of a Mother sequel
If Itoi doesn't want to do more, I think that's very respectable. Unlike other mediums, video-gaming seems unique (in a negative way) in that it never seems to want to let a series end, unless it's unsuccessful. With books or movies, a series ends when the story is closed or the creator wants to, (ideally - obviously when things get hugely popular & have multiple interests to please, series can get horribly milked) but with video games it seems that people always want remakes, redos, updates, sequels, endlessly. Even when you have a nearly perfect record of games in a series, fans still demand more. Sometimes I wonder - should we as fans and consumers of this medium be more content with what we already have, (thousands of amazing games over the years) rather than always looking forward towards the new? People always complain or beg for new better games, but do we ever stop to realize how many games we already have I dunno - just a thought.
That's fine, just gives us Mother 3.
I still don't understand what's so great about the series. There are better RPGs out there >_>
As far as i'm aware he doesn't own the rights does he? It might be impossible for him to do another game, but not impossible that someone else could take the reigns
@WireWare Looking at the official website for Mother 4, I don't see anything stating that Itoi himself gave the game his blessing.
On that note, Mother 4 may look good, but that is an over-ambitious title if I ever saw one. You don't see fans making a Metroid 5 or Super Mario Bros. 4. Most programmers for fan-made games I've seen were humble enough to only give it a subtitle, rather than claiming it's a direct sequel to the game it's based on. Calling the game Mother 4 is like saying, "We're the new Shigesato Itoi, and we're making the game he would've made after Mother 3!"
If that is what he wishes, then so be it, I can respect his creative rights to leave this series as a trilogy. I think the main focus of fans of the series at this point is to actually officially obtain the third entry in the series, rather than a fourth entry.
It also shouldn't be much of a problem for Nintendo if they are unable or unwilling to make a Mother 4 (which again, I respect that decision), as they have plenty of other RPGs they could make new entries for. They've continued to work on the Mario & Luigi series, and there is also the Golden Sun and the Magical series available for new entries to be made in.
There are plenty of other second party developers who could do just as good a job on a mother 4 release.
Understandable. Can't force the magic if it's not there or continue something that fan wouldn't approve of as much as with past installments.
Even though I don't get the charm of the Earthbound series as much as others, it is nice to see some that are passionate enough to translate the 3rd and create a 4th.
@Ryu_Niiyama: First paragraph I agree completely w/ you. Second paragraph, I agree w/ the exception that, if a creator gives his/her input, &/or blessing onto sequels, they have told their story, or allowed someone else to, regardless if the creation turns out bad. Naturally, of course, no one's going to buy it, if it is terrible, but at least the creator of said works created what he/she wanted, anyway. Edit: In this regard, I think he has told the stories he wanted to, in the ways he wanted to. So now, all that's left to be seen, is whether the current ip rights holders, eventually continue the story, &/or allowing someone else to. I word that last sentence like that, as I don't know who owns the rights to the Mother/Earthbound ip, Itoi, or Nintendo. I'll have to look it up sometime.
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