When Nintendo announced the New 3DS, it also lifted the lid on a handheld port of the popular wii RPG Xenoblade Chronicles. Exclusive to the new hardware, the game took advantage of the system's more powerful innards to reproduce the epic scale of its home console counterpart. Nintendo insisted that the conversion was only possible due to this extra processing grunt.
Was this merely marketing fluff in order to get people to shell out for yet another hardware upgrade? Or was there some truth in the claims?
One industrious individual has decided to find out by using a homebrew exploit to drop the New 3DS system clock speed down to that of the original model 3DS. The result? Well, it's certainly not as nippy, but it's not totally unplayable. If a few tweaks and optimisations were made to the visuals then there's a good chance that it could have been made to run a little faster. Of course, it's not a totally scientific comparison, as the New 3DS has more than just the advantage of a faster CPU over its older sibling, but it's interesting all the same.
Would you have liked to have seen a version of the game for the standard 3DS? Would you have upgraded to the New 3DS if it had existed? Let us know by posting a comment.
[source gonintendo.com]
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It's not a good omparison, because the new 3ds has way more than just a cpu clockspeed advantage, like more cores more ram more vram.
I tried this myself on a N3DS, it certainly is very slow.
Right now this "Hans" booting method only uses clock speed settings, of either the Original 3DS or New 3DS as available, it doesn't touch on the available ram or vram.
It probably also won't run at full speed anyway as this method leaves some code running in the background, enabling the system to take screenshots or return to the Homebrew Launcher.
The game is slow enough normally that I had used walking-speed hacks on the original Wii in order to stand to play it! This would make me just chunk the thing in the trash. Maaaan, sooooooooo slow!
@TobiasAmaranth Impatient much?
Really interesting - though would be much cooler to see it actually running on an OG 3DS.
And this reminds me that I must actually finish this game. I played it for about 15 hours, then I discovered MH4U, then I didn't play anything else!
So Nintendo was right... It can't run at a commercial level for the older 3ds. So we can move on now..
Focus people focus!
Super slow mo with the same visuals huh. Well there goes the epic 100 hour game to guaranty it goes well over 200 hours lol. Wonder how bad it get with 3d on?
Haha, this has a nice spaced out feel to it.
(sing this to the Gaur Plains music)
Wait a minute, so...
the game would still work
on a lesser hand-held,
yup, it does work a-ny-way!
Yes it is unplayable!
Xenoblade Chronicles: Moon Edition.
zenoblade chronicle 3ds
contain lag on the old 3ds
well good thing i got a new nintendo 3ds
Yeah thats not realistic comparison. As far as I know the clock speed is actually the same or similar and that the speed increase comes from more cores. They'd need to figure out the RAM and VRAM issue, too, since the 3DS's RAM specification was designed to make up for the 3DS's horrendously slow CPU.
Even if it ran decently, I would probably just get the game on the Wii or New 3DS for obvious reasons.
Gotta go slow!
They also need to share the save with the Wii version, the new 3ds and 3ds both uses SD card to save also the wii, so why not to share save, similar to transfer data between monster hunter 3 wii u and 3ds.
Xenoblade is a huge game, so it would take forever to beat at that speed. And who's to say some parts of the game won't cause it to crash eventually?
Not only is the speed much slower, there's also the issue that every game needs to be able to return to the HOME Menu. I assume this game would eat too much power to even allow that, though it's difficult to tell when the game only runs in a Homebrew application...
Well when you're battling certain monsters the game goes about that slow anyway.
I upgraded to the New 3DS without any regard to Xenoblade Chronicles 3D. I bought the game when I got the New 3DS because I figured since I had the system, I might as well try the game. It is an amazing RPG. One of my favorites along with Shining Force 2, Lunar, and the Dragon Quest franchise. I decided to get the New 3DS for the faster CPU and more RAM, and better 3D. It was well worth it even though Xenoblade and the Binding of Isaac are the only New 3DS exclusive games, however Smash Brothers performs much better on the New 3DS and I intend to get Hyrule Warrior Legends which can be played in 3D only on the New 3DS. If you have the resources to upgrade, I highly recommend get the New 3DS. To me, the gaming experience is noticeably better.
@ravens326 Even though I really like my New 3DS I was hoping for more exclusive games that utilized the C-stick or something since we did buy it for exclusive better games. That being said, I do like this iteration of the 3DS the most, I went through ever 3DS and I liked it because it performs faster, downloads are noticeably faster, and the 3D actually works!
it looks ok on the New 3DS but XC is meant to be on the big screen...playing it on the Wii U in Wii mode makes the game look very slightly better since its going through the HDMI but overall a big screen to enjoy this incredible game and soundtrack...if they ever decide to do an HD remaster of this game my mind would probably explode...but that will never happen its as likely as getting XC on the Virtual Console in NA...sad but true
It will take 1 week to finish the first area.
I would have upgraded to the New 3DS if they had released the smaller one in the US...since they didn't, I feel like I'll ride out my launch 3DS until NX instead.
@bofis They did release the smaller New 3DS in the U.S. It is the bundle with Animal Crossing Happy Home Designer. I waited to see if the smaller system would be released, and since this is the only version available in the U.S. I just broke down and bought it. I have no intention to play Happy Home Designer in the near future if at all. I also ordered Majora's Mask cover plates from Japan, since they are not available yet in the U.S. When it comes in the mail and I change the Animal Crossing cover plates, it won't even appear that I got the HHD bundle unless I pull out the box. Maybe one day I will play the game, but I feel it was worth it to get the bundle just to get the smaller New 3DS. Now I have an ambassador standard new 3DS since I got my original 3DS at launch and transferred everything to the N3DS. I feel it was the right move.
Yep, as expected, just a little more development time and they definitely could have made a version that would work on regular 3DS.
I dont think the problem was the extra cpu but the ram and the vram
I am not sure what video people are watching here but this is completely unplayable. And this is only with a clock downgrade. It would be impossible with the reduced cores and less/slower RAM. Some simple "optimizations" would not have worked.
Those slow downs look pretty brutal actually.
@TobiasAmaranth The game comes with a built-in speed hack called play as Dunban or Rikki with Running Speed gems.
Good lord man up, Xenoblade is one of the faster open-world RPGs out there. What is your frame of reference if you think it was too slow?
Xenoblade Chronicles: Skyrim Edition
NOW YOU'RE PLAYING WITH POWER... BUT WITH LESS SPEED.
That actually runs horrible. I wouldn't want to play in slow motion like that for 200 hours.
This really doesn't prove anything. For one, console games are designed for a targeted clock speed, so they can use CPU cycle-based delays to determine timing. Changing the clock speed to something other than the game expects can result in the game running slower not due to a lack of hardware capability, but just because the timing is different than the developer intended for it to be. So the game could perhaps run faster than shown but is executing unnecessary wait cycles on a slower CPU.
Second, as stated the new 3DS has more improvements than just raw clock speed, some of which we know about and others we probably don't. It's doubtful that Nintendo just used the exact same CPU and upped the speed on it. They could have added new opcodes or routines that the game takes advantage of that aren't available to the original 3DS. It's entirely possible the game would actually run much slower or not at all on an original 3DS without significantly rewriting the game code.
@RainbowGazelle
Propably no, because I too had the same problem in some places.
@RainbowGazelle
Yup. Very. A nice leisurely walk is great for RL but terrible for a game.
However contrary to what some internet juveniles might assume, ( http://comments.deviantart.com/4/5377181/3981731173 ROFL wtf? ) I actually did like the game well enough. But I had more overall fun playing The Last Story than I did Xenoblade Chronicles due to the fact the pacing was a little better. Even with the Gecko cheat for increased run speed, I felt like I was slogging through a swamp. Especially in the town areas where there's zero action going on and I've already seen the sights ten dozen times over.
And I'm still looking forward to X. Bought the collector's edition even. It might be a little more enjoyable to wander around and just look at things, too. But at the same time, gah, I just have such bad memories of the original in regards to the movement speed. Liked everything else but it really needed to be a quicker paced game for travel, even factoring in the quick travel stuff.
I guess I can understand that. The pace could become bothersome at points (it just didn't irritate me enough, I guess). I also loved The Last Story for it's quick pace, characters, battle system, etc. I can't decide which of the two games is my favourite. Each to their own. You certainly didn't deserve what that mindless moron on deviant art wrote.
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