Although the next generation of hardware from Nintendo is unlikely to arrive before late 2016 at the earliest, we expect 2015 to be full of speculation and discussion - rational and otherwise - about what's next. The arrival of the New Nintendo 3DS, for example, arguably sets us up for the portable's lengthy swansong; the 3DS has been on the market for nearly four years, with this revision perhaps providing another couple of years to the generation in a similar manner to the DSi for the DS family.
There are plenty of theories around what's next - some feel Nintendo will stick with its portable and home console systems as separate hardware approach, an integrated system that incorporates both in one package, or perhaps more hardware options. With Nintendo and the changeable industry it's extremely difficult to predict, but with revelations such as a potential partnership for Sharp screen technology, it's an intriguing discussion point.
Digital Foundry has given its own intriguing assessment, considering Nintendo statements - official and otherwise - along with current trends in hardware design. Key perspective comes from Nintendo's annual financial results Q & A in Spring 2014, when Satoru Iwata - for example - cited iOS and Android as integrated frameworks that demonstrate how development can be streamlined. Nintendo, over the past couple of years, has brought portable and home console development groups together, too, so it's clear that the company is moving away from the current trend for major differences between its hardware architectures.
Digital Foundry explores this in detail and assesses options, citing AMD (which has been a name whirling around in rumours) which has technology that is scalable, while Imagination Technologies is also mentioned - it's produced tech integral to the mobile space, including the iPad Air. It's explained that Nintendo's philosophy is unlikely to change - in terms of not pushing cutting-edge technology - but that there are certainly solutions that'd fit the company's aims of integrating technology and easing the strain on development teams. Powerful capabilities but within sensible budget prices seems like a likely path, and the industry has arguably never offered such useful options when pursuing those goals.
We certainly recommend checking out the full article at the link below. It'll be a fascinating couple of years to see what comes next from Nintendo in hardware; what do you think the big N will do?
[source eurogamer.net]
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Yes a new tablet and a console that plays all nintendo software
I would like to see a home console that gives you the ability to transfer the games onto a portable device. Similiar to what Sony has been tinkering with.
"Pinky, are you pondering what I'm pondering?"
I don't really know what to say. Wait while I ponder.
2016 is too soon. I can't believe the Wii U wil have a 4 year lifespan
Just integrate a console and handheld. Seriously... Just find a way to do that. It has to be really powerful, too.
I don't think Nintendo will merge the two, but will make them the same architecture. This would make development easier, and the next handheld will likely have similar power to Wii U, so it would be much easier to port the VC to both console and handheld. The Wii U was essentially an experiment in merging handheld and console (looking at the gamepad) and that hasn't really 'clicked' with consumers, so the next console will likely be about innovation with software, not hardware.
@Dipper723
I think so brain, but what if Phillips creates the cdi 2 and takes up a giant market share
@zenturtle I agree with that
Have your 3ds basically be your controller. Then allow you to play games on the fly. Would have to be a litle careful bc you don't want to cannibalize your sales. I would guess that they still want to develop both console and portable games, but fibd a sweet spot wherr they overlap, allowing them to get revenue from both sources.
wasn't the 3DS supposed to be integrated with Wii U more? Maybe still time for that yet
@Dipper723 - "Yes Brain......but how can we use a Triforce when there are only 2 of us?"
I don't think the Wii U's successor will come out until 2017-2018, with the handheld coming maybe 1-2 years earlier, and I think the handheld and home console will be separate devices, but will be integrated.
What I think will be interesting is the power. The PS4 and Xbox One will probably both last close to 10 years. Because the Wii U came out earlier and will probably have a much shorter life, its successor will probably come out right in the middle of their lifespans. That means that, even without using expensive cutting edge technology, Nintendo could realistically have the strongest console for at least a few years, which could be very interesting.
Hopefully, this one Third Parties will support again. It would be nice to only have to have one console. Instead of, now, I have a PS3 and Wii U. I am big sports fan. So its disappointing, it is more expensive too. Nintendo used to have yearly sports games. Until they do, I will have to have a Sony system too. Maybe, if Nintendo made a Normal console that just used controllers it may sell better. Instead of, having to using the Gamepad and the Wiimotes.
All I know is that I want to see Nintendo's next gen handheld at E3 2016.
My hope: It has a single foldable, capacitive touch screen with pressure sensitive stylus similar to the surface pro.
I don't understand this "New homeconsole in 2016 talk". The Wii U should stay until 2018 imo. But of course, it all comes down to sales in the end..
Not a hope will Wii U last beyond 2016. Who do you think will be left selling it by then? It's being dropped by retailers all the time. Nintendo want out of this almighty holy mess they're in as soon as possible. They'd do it now but they need to sell the backlog of Wii U's first, avoid a public backlash and get the games already too far into development out the door first.
I need an animated gif of a person shrugging apathetically...
@TrueWiiMaster I highly doubt that the PS4 and Xbox One will last 10 years. Both are underpowered (neither aren't even capable of 4K gaming), and it will be more than just a challenge to be able to compete with PC gaming. Hell, just take a look at this: http://international.download.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes/metal-gear-solid-v-ground-zeroes-pc-vs-playstation-4-comparison-1.html
If Microsoft and Sony really want to compete with PC gaming, they're gonna have to end their consoles' life spans early; neither home console will be able to stand a chance against PC gaming in a few years.
In place of the Gamepad, use the next DS (as an optional controller) instead.
and have a unified OS and NNID, so if you buy a game, you now own that and can play it on any Nintendo console you own. (they've been talking about this I think)
I'd like a true 'Pro Controller' - it ain't 'Pro' if there's no analogue buttons.
What would also be nice is if they started a paid subscription, where you get a few free VC games a month.
... Oh, and please ditch the Wiimote. It sucks. When you buy a new console and game, in this instance a Wii U and NSMBU, you don't want to be forced to use an old Wiimote to play 2 player when you have a Wii U Pro Controller. Rant over.
@schizor True, and sales are craptacular (Except in Japan), so Nintendo is doing a balancing act between getting a new console ready (Far from easy on its own), making sure it's competitive with what the others are likely to come up with (Unless they want a repeat of this generation), and not making people who bought a WiiU feel ripped off, i don't envy them...
I'd be upset if Nintendo goes to next gen when its 2016...... cause I still am waiting for a chance to get the Wii U......
How about something like the NVidia Shield portable (could use a tegra X1 iteration, which already has 3x the power of the wii u)? Then give the option to plug into an upgrade box like the alienware graphics amplifier for 4K gaming in a "console mode". That way you could program for one platform with scalable graphics just like a pc. They could easily make the graphics amplifier upgradeable, and they could still sell two products to soak up as much of my money as possible.
They seem to be ignoring some of the things Nintendo has said in regards to recent ventures like NNIDs, the QoL, and Amiibo, as these seem to offer a lot more insight into just how close the handheld and console will be. Nintendo confirmed in the investor's meeting that they're moving towards account based services, and they're moving towards an "expanded platform" tied together with an NNID that can span multiple devices, the handheld and consoles, the QoL, and even mobile devices. So it seems more similar to a PS4/Vita relationship, separate consoles that share some games and software.
But that in and of itself isn't new or innovative, so that's probably not the end of their next gen plans. But their comments on the QoL and Amiibo do seem to offer some other hints on what this could mean. What both of these devices have in common is that they can communicate data to different hardware and software. So perhaps they're working towards games that can play off each other somehow? At any rate, it does seem like it goes beyond tech, they seem to be deepening the interaction between hardware and software.
2016 pls.
@Goob
If PC gaming enters the console space and does well, you could be right. Otherwise, the power of PC's really doesn't make a difference. The 360 was outdone by PC's in no time, if not before it even came out, and yet it lasted 8 years. As long as they're separate, I don't think it will force the new systems out sooner. If the systems do have to compete with PC's, they can supposedly get additional power from the cloud, too.
I also doubt 4K will be popular anytime soon. The TV's have gone down in price, but there's very little 4K content at this point, and 1080p TV's are still much cheaper. There's also fairly little improvement from 1080p to 4K unless you're getting a huge TV.
2017 at the soonest I believe
Agreement seems to be i tegration between handheld and home console - nobody has mentioned "Fusion" yet though which I thought wad the agrred upon rumour.
2 thoughts using Sony as a comparison:
Sony promoted Vita as a handheld that played home console games. It continues to sell poorly w/ one arguement being nobody wants to play PS3 ports on their handheld they want new games, so Vita doesnt sell
Then Sony sells a PS4 which is doing blockbuster sales on the back of PS3 ports Last of Us and GTAV and also on games Destiny and COD which can still be played on their PS3.
So either nobody wants a new console to play old games, oreverybody does.
Moral of the story - nobody knows and Nintendo will choose to do, and even if we did know nobody has any idea how it will turn out. We can guess, and some of us will guess correctly, but nobody knows.
It almost doesn't matter what Nintendo does with their hardware because they have these first major issues to overcome:
1. If they continue to pull this latter-day "let's make weak systems that even have a hard time looking better than phones or last gen," they will launch into irrelevance and no one will care that Nintendo has a console outside of a small core fanbase, and one cannot support a console with such a small audience.
2. If they don't get third parties back on-board again, it's not going to matter. When even too many Nintendo fans are now using Nintendo's hardware as "just Nintendo boxes" and ignoring third parties, it's pretty clear that Nintendo is being treated like a third party with a console, even by Nintendo fans. It's too expensive to buy a game console just for one publisher's games. In a time when Nintendo is not treated equally with MS or Sony, by gamers, developers, or even their core fans, then it may be time for them to throw in the towel on making hardware altogether.
3. They need to make the Wii U successful and get third parties back on-board somehow, and they need to rebuild this confidence before they start talking about or showing new hardware, or that new hardware is going to be revealed with no confidence from developers or consumers.
There is another problem, and given the quickly dropping support for the 3DS and Wii U, it means the Wii U will not only be discontinued earlier than it should, but also at a time when it will have to compete against the Xbox One and Playstation 4 when they are in their prime--and that is a recipe for failure. Nintendo releasing new hardware as early as 2016 or 2017 pretty much has to happen unless they can magically turn around the Wii U before then (looking increasingly unlikely), and about the only way that will work is if it's a powerhouse that puts to shame the tech inside the XBO and PS4, while also adopting better and more similar policies in order to remain competitive.
Nostalgia is not going to sell their next hardware. Mario and Zelda are not going to sell their next hardware--this will only appeal to he small, core Nintendo fanbase, many of whom were burned on the Wii and even more are now (quite clearly) burned on the Wii U.
And unfortunately, the more this "next hardware" talk continues, the harder it's going to be for Nintendo to right the sinking ship that is currently the Wii U.
Nintendo, above all else, is a fearless innovator. I fully expect their next generation of console and handheld systems (or some combination of the two) to be something groundbreaking that I hadn't anticipated, but, once revealed, can't live without.
The more people talk about a new console, the worse the chances of Wii U being modestly successful will be wiped out. When press and game retailers start talking about a new console, it will filter down to the consumer, and who would want to invest in a system with a known limited lifespan.
2016 is too early for a new hardware launch to replace Wii U because that will end up making this is the last meaningful year for Wii U games as they will start gearing up promotion and production for its successor.
If it comes out in 2017, that still gives Nintendo time to iron out bugs and it would also go along the previous timelines for Nintendo systems. There were five years between the SNES and N64, the N64 and the GameCube, and the GCN and the Wii. There were six years between the Wii and the Wii U. Four years is too short, in my opinion.
From what I've heard in regards to Nintendo's talk of their next console, I feel the concept of a form of handheld/console hybird seems more likely. I can imagine it as being like a standalone gamepad which you can take with you and play games on, with some sort of base unit that gives it extra strength and features for playing games on the TV. Of course, I do feel it is way too soon to begin speculating on these matters, the Wii U is only two years old after all.
@Radbot42 Agreed, only 4 years just feels too soon for a new console. I personally think they should keep at it with the Wii U until 2018, 6 years seems much more solid.
@TrueWiiMaster 2018 is about the time I believe the Wii U will stick around for as well. An I do agree that the PS4 and Xbox One may aim for a 10 year life cycle, as I remember that was Sony's intention for the PS3, and I believe they reiterated that they were trying to succeed at that with the PS4 this time.
The next Nintendo system being the strongest system on the market for what would be a decent 4-5 years is an interesting prospect to think about. In that sense, if they expect their competitors to stick with their current systems for that long, they can afford to make tech that is only slightly stronger rather than overwhelmingly stronger, so they could incorporate more unique ideas and at a decent price (after all, by this point the PS4 and Xbox One will likely be discounting their price quite a bit compared to their launch, so pricing might be an obstacle to consider).
@ericwithcheese2 Agreed, now is too soon to be talking about a new system and the focus on news and discussion should preferably focus on the Wii U. Talk of a new system's release, particularly believing it'll come out so soon, does hinder potential interest.
Also, I agree that 2016 is too soon and that the Wii U deserves to have a strong last year, and whatever new Nintendo system comes out deserves to have a strong launch line-up and year. I personally feel that said new system would be better off for a 2018 release, rather than 2017, but if it turns out the new system is a console-handheld hybrid, then the New 3DS lifespan would have to be taken into consideration (so 2017 might be better, at least in that scenario).
I don't want them to abandon Wii U before they've made some games that make sense such as 1080 Snowboarding with the Fit Board, Battalion Wars 3 (with gamepad squad commands) and Eternal Darkness 2 (with gamepad spell casting and sanity effects)!!!
With the Wii and DS, they said there would be interesting cross compatibility. Other than unlocking exclusive content, there wasn't really any. With the Wii U and 3DS, they said there would be interesting cross compatibility. There have been a few games that interact well if you own both. With its current usage, the gamepad should have never been made and the 3DS should have been designed to handle their asymmetric play ideas.
I hope their next duo are a console with a RAM, CPU and GPU that are as good as high end PC hardware is now and a Gameboy 2 which looks a bit like a Wii U gamepad but has an optional 4G smartphone model. Make the console capable of having 4-8 handhelds connect at once without lag. I hope they keep the Wii Remote alive but actually make some decent games rather than half efforts like Wii Sports Club and Nintendoland.
@Radbot42 I know how you feel. I say late 2017 at the earliest, though I'd say it should be 2018.
@Wouwter will this suffice?
I agree with @ZenTurtle both devices having the same architecture for easier development and portability. To add, tie it all together via NNID. So you purchase games for whatever format you like. Though if they are even thinking about the Fusion rumor that's floating around, I could see a a Gamepad 2.0 device that's standalone but also doubles as the main console controller with all the bells and whistles of the previous one, except with a better screen, micro SD slot for downloads, and a card slot for portable games. Hopefully that would lead to buying a VC or indie game once and saves and everything would link across formats.
Late 2016 is too early. We're more likely to see it release in late 2017. Nintendo needs to follow their usual 5 year cycle at least if they want to keep the trust of their consumers.
I just gave Nintendo a piece of my mind while registering 4 games. I suggest every paying customer put their complaints and wishlists in the text boxes on the club nintendo product registrations page
Just make the next one strong and don't make the hardware so complicated that no one except you know's how to use it.
@Sir_JBizzle It's pretty much spot on, I just don't really like Kanye.
@Wouwter I'm sure this is one we can all get behind!
EDIT: for what it's worth, I'm not a Kanye fan myself. But he's the first one I could think of since he's got that shrug down to a science. Haha
@Quorthon
Oh ye of lil faith
How about a new version of the wiimote that can somehow convert into something like a pro controller. Or the other way around.
@Radbot42 To be fair, that was about the average before last generation.
@Radbot42 To be fair, that was about the average before last generation.
Agreed with those that late 2017 will be when they release the Wii U successor as it fits their usual timeline. Perhaps earlier.
The big issue I see is that after the current forthcoming games in 2015 what else can Nintendo release? Sure there's F-Zero, FE, Pilotwings, Battalion Wars and a few others but these are more niche titles. Without third party support and no big hitters left this gen, I can't see Nintendo releasing enough games to keep the Wii U fan base happy, unless they've got a few tricks up their sleeves.
Both current Nintendo console have 2-3 years of life left. Wii U is never going to be a very successful system sales wise, but it will be an amazing gaming console. It is today. I have 300 games over like 10 consoles on it. The next generation Nintendo just needs to be 100% integrated between handheld and home. I don't want to buy games anymore like smb3 on 2 systems when I don't for my iPad/phone. Link accounts forever and just make expensive high end stuff. People used to want to buy cheap electronics, but now nobody thinks twice about buying their kids a $500 ps4 and games for Xmas...on top of whatever else. Sad I know. But Nintendo needs to capitalize on this mentality. If only they had on par versions of all cross platform games, with Nintendo 1st party and the console power and current everything when it comes to features. I'd pay $500 in a heartbeat for a home console and another $400 for the handheld that I can use as a phone too. As long as its all integrated...make it happen Nintendo.
Even if Nintendo doesn't do this and continues the current of making amazing games and systems in their own right, I will have a Nintendo as my 51% main gaming consoles. But I end up getting another brand console too...
@rjejr
Or they don't want a portable to play cut down, poor quality versions of home console games. Home consoles are different.
@Quorthon 2016 or 2017 is too early though. If Nintendo releases then, the console will only appeal to core Nintendo fans. Other gamers will simply laugh at it and say "Sony and Microsoft's new consoles will blow it out of the water".
Point is, it doesn't matter if Nintendo comes out with guns blazing - if they release first, Sony and Microsoft simply have to bring bigger guns the following year and make Nintendo a laughing stock with the weakest hardware again. Both of those companies know that, and gamers know that. Therefore Nintendo is at a major disadvantage.
The other problem with releasing that early is that it doesn't give Nintendo enough time to mend relationships with 3rd parties properly. They need to work on getting 3rd party exclusives now so that they can have multiplats later on the new hardware. These exclusives take time to develop though, so deals that start now won't come to fruition until 2016 or 2017.
Also keep in mind that Nintendo had 3rd parties on board for Wii U at first, but they didn't stay on board. These 3rd parties will jump ship again if Nintendo releases first because they will see it as the same chain of events as the Wii U, and they'd be right.
On the other hand, the longer they keep the Wii U around, the further they damage the Nintendo home console brand. This will force Nintendo to release first. However, if they do so and come out with guns blazing, and then Sony and Microsoft come out with bigger guns, people will see it as them "putting Nintendo in their place," which will damage the Nintendo brand as well.
In the end, Nintendo is in a lose-lose situation. The new console will blow up in their face regardless of what they do.
@Souldin
Sorry guys but there is not a chance Nintendo will stick with Wii U until 2018 unless it suddenly starts selling vastly more than it is now. It's tracking behind Gamecube, Dreamcast, N64. I think it's only just ahead of the Saturn. It simply isn't selling enough or making enough money. Nintendo can't afford to wait. My money's on a late-2016/early 2017 launch for new hardware ( or handheld in late 16, home Console early 17 if they still have separate hardware)
@Sir_JBizzle Perfect! Now I'm wondering how many shrugging gifs you have.
I think they will launch a new handheld and hone console within 12 months of each other, if not closer. They will most definitely have software developed on the same framework to make compatibility 100% and realise what they originally wanted to achieve with smash.
The hardware should resurrect the gameboy brand and the console should definitely drop the wii monicker for something more forward thinking and ditch the negative reactions the come with that name.
They needn't go for top end power, but if we're talking two years from now it'd need a 3.5 ghz processor minimum, 16gb gddr ram to ensure it didn't fall too fr behind the inevitably more powerful ps5 when that drops half way through the nintendo 8 lifecycle. They need to open up digital licence policies to the consumer to ensure confidence in continued software investment.
They need to MARKET AGGRESSIVELY.
They need to work with third parties more.
They need to flood the Virtual console, not drip feed rereleqse of the wii virtual console.
They needed develop true nintendo first party titles.
SMBwiiU, 3D world, captain toad, Pikmin 3, yoshi woolly world are not nintendos top draw. They need to pitch high and hit big to get positive reaction. Their first party titles need to turn the heads of new customers aswell as make nintendo fans think "oooooooo that looks good"
They basically need to listen and learn from wii u And get nintendo 8 perfect
@electrolite77 they will definitely keep separate hardware but I think it will definitely launch 2016/2017.
Wii u keeps a profit rolling for nitendo which is good, but I think their development re shuffle and then release schedule just cries "our teams are clearly busy on something you will not see in the next two years." if nothing else the wii u just doesn't have the legs to carry it another 3 years. If we see a new hardwarw in 2016, a four year lifespan is pretty good going for it
@electrolite77 - "Or they don't want a portable to play cut down, poor quality versions of home console games."
Yes, but isn't that one of the options on the table for Ntineodo? Make 2 systems - home and portable - that run the same OS so they can play the same games? Handheld games are always going to be worse than home console games or else the handheld will be prohibitively expensive. The 3DS launched at $249 and didn't sell until it dropped to $169 (games helped, I know). Nintendo has been doing it for years though, and even more so recently putting SSB on the 3DS. Not the same gaem entirely, but close. And bringing Wii game Xenoblade Chronicles to the new 3DS. MK has always been on both. Different games, but similar. Lugi's Mansion was on GameCube, sequel on the 3DS. Link gets game son both. Super Mario games as well.
If you connect the dots going forward you get 2 systems - home and handheld - that run the same games. Are they bundles, sold separately, connect together, buy 1 game to run both places or buy the game twice? Lots of questions to answer for Nintnedo before they move ahead, but it seems inevitable to me.
@DESS-M-8 So basically drop any Smash dlc after Mewtwo, give Sakurai a six month rest, and tell him to work on the next Smash for the new system, then launch the system with Smash, Mario Kart, Metroid, Bayonetta 3, and some shocking surprise exclusives from 3rd parties (coughHalfLife3coughShenmue3coughMegaMancough)
@rjejr
Certainly plenty of questions yes. It could be of course that none of us are anywhere near. If Nintendo are really combining their output onto one system then to me that means we'll get the properly designed portable software that they're renowned for, it just happens to play on a Home Console too. I trust their software to make more sense of it than Sony were able to by trying to shoehorn Home Console software that was too ambitious for a portable machine onto hardware that couldn't cope.
The Wii U has confused consumers because it does not offer enough benefit over the Wii for the average Wii user (of which there are millions) to upgrade. HD graphics is a basic expectation not a selling point, the gamepad looks cheap and offers little innovation in gameplay over the DS which was years its junior.
Nintendo need to do the following
1) Support an architecture to allow 3rd parties to easily port games and save dev costs.
2) Provide the ability to connect all previous controllers, gamepads etc and have full backwards compatibility. Consumers like re using stuff they have bought. Continue to support past controllers ongoing so new titles can use and drive controller sales.
3) Adopt a new graphical style. Nintendo games look like they have been using the same rendering engine for years and games are looking stale and outdated. Wii U games look like Wii games which look like 3DS and DS games causing consumers to be turned off innovative games because they just look the same as the last one!
4) Stop recycling old games! How many times do you need to re-release Mario Bros, provide new IP and more new games.
All I know is whatever Big N has planned, it will have nothing to do with anything Sony, MS, EA, Ubisoft, and Activision want or do.
In fact, I'd be willing to bet that Nintendo has been purposely burning its 3rd party bridges these past few years just to see where the industry was going, just to deviate from it even more.
@TrueWiiMaster
You've got me thinking about the power issue there. It could be that Nintendo looking for a truly integrated solution is designed to do away with the idea of console generations altogether. By which I mean to move to a situation like the IPad/IPhone where hardware is released more frequently with less dramatic leaps in power than we're used to between console generations. The new hardware still runs all the old games, even giving some of them a boost in resolution or framerate but software developers can aim for the new standard knowing it will still run on the old hardware (or handheld systems), just less impressively. That way it doesn't matter if a PS5 or new XBox leapfrogs Nintendo in 2019, Nintendo just release a more powerful machine. Let's face it, Nintendo love their hardware iterations, but they've had consistent issues launching consoles with a good enough range of software. This could be what they're aiming for.
@Spectra_Twilight
Sounds quite boring to be honest. Without idle speculation what would people talk about? Not politics, or sport, or music, or the future of videogames....
I just want a Wii V and 4DS. The sooner, the better. I'll buy whatever they throw at me.
@Nintenjoe64
Why, that's one of my biggest hobbies these days.
How does a Wii U owner possibly have any confidence in the next console? If this is their last big year of releases, it's a bad sign for the current user base and anyone on the fence. I'm definitely picking up a PS4 at the end of the year because they have great 3rd party support. I miss my sports games. I miss Resident Evil. I miss Batman. Seriously, once Arkham Knight arrives, it's game over with Nintendo and me.
@IceClimbers I don't think Microsoft and Sony are in any hurry to come out with their next consoles. There's no urgency to improve their hardware like there is with Nintendo, and they want it to stay on the market as long as possible to recoup their losses. Nintendo will probably be into next gen a good 2 or 3 years by the time that Microsoft and Sony release theirs.
Wait until mid-2017 after the 3DS's successor, then make this article.
@IceClimbers
I agree that 2016 or 2017 is too early, but at the same time, that is the window that looks the most obvious. The other options are:
1. Nintendo largely going it alone until 2019 or 2020, when the next Xbox and Playstation are likely to launch.
or
2. Nintendo magically turning the Wii U around so that it can positively survive until 2019 or 2020.
Sadly, I have trouble seeing how Nintendo, especially under current management (Iwata, Reggie, Miyamoto) could positively survive either scenario. Them going it alone means further marginalizing the company and brand to the point that gamer apathy towards the company will be at an all-time high come 2019. Even many Nintendo fans will see the company as an after-thought.
On the other hand, turning around the Wii U is, I fully believe, the single best course of action which, sadly, will require the leadership to completely rethink how they do things and to completely rework how they get 3rd party developers and publishers on-board. They're even in danger of losing the indie support at this stage.
This is why the analogy of being stuck between a rock and a hard place exists. That is Nintendo right now.
So yes, I completely agree with you, Nintendo put themselves in a lose-lose situation, and their ability to get 3rd parties back may be nearly burned off entirely. Nintendo fans drove off 3rd parties at a record pace with the Wii U, not supporting much of anything of any amount of quality or originality. Even with exclusive versions of Tekken, Rayman, Lego, and Batman, Nintendo fans said they'd rather play nothing than a 3rd party game over so many months while waiting for, let's face it, another cookie-cutter Mario Kart and predictable Smash Bros title. They're both quality games, but it's not like they're anything new. Even high-profile 3rd party exclusives like Wonderful 101, the Lego City Undercover game, and Bayonetta 2, unfortunately, failed to sell well or notably--and the only information we have on Bayo2 is that it did terribly in Japan and some bizarre "who knows where they got 'em" numbers from VGChartz.
We're also seeing a very obvious point where Mario and Zelda do not sell hardware anymore. These aren't big draws, and banking so heavily on nostalgia is simply damaging to the company.
Suffice to say, Nintendo needs to change almost everything about how they make, sell, and operate a console, and they need to expand beyond constantly banking on Mario, Zelda, and Pokemon, which certainly makes the die-hard Nintendo faithful happy, but for the rest of us gamers, we're left standing here looking like Nintendo forgot how to appeal to anyone else. The bulk of the gaming public has been airing this exact disappointment ever since the Wii headed into casual and shovelware land.
If they launch in 2016 or 2017, that'll be too soon--no question about it. They're going to look awful like they're trying to play catch-up with MS and Sony. If they wait until 2019 or 2020, well that's another problem, because the Wii U very clearly cannot survive that long in it's current state.
After all the troubles they've faced this generation, even with the 3DS (which is now falling well behind in 3rd party support, while the Vita somehow has more than ever), what the hell does it take for Nintendo's leadership to realize they simply don't have what it takes to compete?
Remember when Iwata said he'd step down if the Wii U continued to perform badly, but didn't?
Then how he said they were putting mergers and acquisitions on the table as possible solutions, then never followed through with any of it in any capacity?
What kind of nonsense is he going to spew at this year's annual investors' meeting?
@Bolt_Strike
You guys need to stop magically assuming that the PS4 and XBO are wrought with losses--they're not only selling better than their predecessors, but they're both financially more lucrative, with the Xbox division being a major revenue contributor for Microsoft, and the Playstation division performing so well, it's become one of the primary focuses of Sony. On top of that, both the PS4 and XBO are being sold for a profit, not major losses like the X360 and PS3 were.
The Xbox One and and PS4 are already performing not only better than Nintendo and the Wii U, but better than their previous consoles in pretty much every capacity. Suffice to say, the MS and Sony really aren't having the "losses" problems they had the two previous generations. The roles have been completely reversed in this regard.
@electrolite77 I can't remember when it was noted, but I believe Nintendo have been turning a profit on the Wii U for a while now. Their not exactly in a great position, but their certainly not hurting for money, and I'm confident they could last the Wii U for 2017-2018.
Furthermore, a short life cycle kind of gives off a negative view to consumers. Personally, if I'm given the impression that a £300 plus item is going to last only 4 years, it doesn't exactly give me much enthusiasm for the next in the line. If Nintendo does go ahead and release a new console in 2016, I'm certainly not going to get it at launch like with the Wii U (it's not like I'm going to have that just lying around spare).
@DinoPlanet Honestly, I actually don't think Nintendo need to make all too many new IPs, as they have plenty as it is. An when it comes to recycling old IPs, I frankly think they need to do it more often, but simply not with the usual likes of Mario and Pokémon and more so with the many IPs they already have and haven't used nearly as frequently. One example would be in the case of Kid Icarus Uprising, it was an IP that hadn't been used in so long, it effectively came across as new.
@Cyberbotv2 I generally have confidence due to my enjoyment of the Wii U. I've enjoyed Miiverse, the Wii U Gamepad is my favourite gaming controller of all time, and the Wii U has my favourite (non-Paper Mario) Mario game on it as well as my favourite Legend of Zelda game. I've enjoyed many of it's great games as well as it's backwards compatibility to the many Wii games I enjoyed.
It's rather ironic that you go onto mention Sony and the PS4, as their the company and system I don't have much confidence right now. I do not foresee a new Ape Escape, Medievil, Legend of Dragoon, or PlayStation All-Stars being made any time soon, which happen to be the IPs of theirs I enjoyed.
@Quorthon I mean that Microsoft and Sony would need time to make back the money they spent on development and R&D (I forget what you call those kinds of losses), not that the consoles aren't profitable. And if they are profitable, that's all the more reason to stick with them. Why fix what isn't broken?
The Wii U, on the other hand, has nothing going for it. It's not powerful enough for third parties, and there's not much innovative about it that lets them do new things with their own franchises. Nintendo would be wise to kill it off as soon as they can afford to, leave it on the market for 4 or 5 years so that existing Wii U owners can get their money's worth, and work on making their next gen consoles innovative and desirable.
@DESS-M-8
Pretty much agree with everything in both of them posts. Spot on.
@DESS-M-8 I wouldn't be too mad if they resurrected the NES moniker. Call it the "New NES" or "NES 7". Maybe bring some of the old Nintendo magic back.
@Quorthon I'm not too sure Nintendo even wants to try with the Wii U anymore at this point. If I was a betting man, I think they will probably just get what they can out of it and move on... Though let's just say Nintendo goes all in with the Wii U from this point. Perhaps they should take a page out of Sony's book and form a third party relations division. As we discussed before, everything doesn't have to be a Bayonetta. Or even what Sony has done concerning Street Fighter V (and Ultra IV), I just think they need to be more aggressive in regards for third party support or have a team concentrated solely on that. Heck who knows, if they were aggressive they might have been able to keep RE Chronicals from jumping ship, or able to get the RE HD remake ported over to the Wii U or any number of things, really....
@TrueWiiMaster I have a top end gaming PC, and I can tell you, 4k gaming at a decent frame rate, minimal 30FPS is some way off yet. PC magazing did an experiment recently, using the most powerful HOME computer that can be created. They tried running some 4k capabke games, and the highest frame rate they achieved was around 12FPS. Maybe in 3-4 years, but certainly not nkw, or in the near future.
Also, both Sony and Mjcrosoft have stated on many occasions, their consoles have a life span of 10 years, and it easily feasible, with the tech they have inside them. Although they were outdated becore they even came to the market, devs will find ways of getting more and more out of the machines. Nintendo home consoles typically have a 5 year life span, so mid to late 2017 is likely when we will get to see their next console. I believe Nintendo will stick with what they have done fkr years, and think outside the box, and come up with innovative ideas. I do however, think that this time, they will talk to devs about what they want to see in the new machine, so they can produce games for it. In the past, Nintendo have created the machine, and then told the devs to do the best they can, whixh is actually how it should be. Console developers shoild not be dictated to by software devs. They just want machines that are easy to produce for, and that can make them the biggest return. Is it really asking too much for devs to have to learn how to produce for new technology? For a lot of devs, wno produce the same crap year after year, they and we know who they are, their jobs are easy enougn as it is. Do we all not strive to learn more, use our imagination more and achieve better?
@electrolite77 Actually, Nintendo cluld afford to loose around 270 million dollors a year fkr the next 12 years with their reserves. Obviously shareholders would not allow this, just making a point. Also, last gen, PS3 was in third place up until the end of 2013, but does anyone think the PS3 was/is a flop? Nintendo absolutely trumped tbe last gen, with a vastly under powered console. With Microsoft and Sony both saying their consoles have a 10 year life span, they have given Nintendo the upper hand already. If they launch the next home console sometime in 2017, that will give them at least, 5-8 years on the others. Also, with Nintendo consoles having a 5 year life span usually, they would be launching their next console around the same time the other two would be launching theirs.
3rd party devs are going to come drooling back to Nintendo with their next console, and if it is a success, that momentum will continue into their next console, and the other two will be playing catch-up. Microsoft are the first console developer in history, to reduce the price of its console 3 times in its first year. This was not done because of massive sales, it was done out of necessity. Nintendo could reduce the price of the Wii U by say, 50 U.K. pounds, and they will fly off the shelves. There have been more Xbox1's traded in to CEX and Game in the U.K., then any other console, that is a worrying thought for Microsoft.
@Quorthon Where you get your info from is beyond me. Tbe 3DS sold over 3 million units in Japan alone last year. The new 3DS has got off to a massive start, with supplies running out in days. The Xbox1 has hardly done well in Japan, even the VC of Microsoft Japan has resigned, out of embarrassment.
VGChartz are notoriously way off with their figures, and live in a make believe world. We already know Smash has sold at least 2 million consoles in North America alone. Bayonetta 2 was NEVER going to be a big seller, it is a niche market. But, by having it as a Wii U exclusive, has meant people that want/wanted to play the sequel, bought a Wii U. I had a PS4 until a month ago. Apart from The Last of Us, which I claim to be the best video game of all time, there was/is nothing to play. Also, many many devs are having the same problem as the Xbox, they are having massive problems getting games running in native 1080p and @60FPS, something the 360 and PS3 did a better job at.
Nintendo have had a very long way to catch up to the infrastructure of the other two, in terms of multi-player, HD games, as the Wii U is their first true multi-player console, and their first HD console. In the time they have had, they have come a long way, and their investment for the future is amazing. They are finally starting to spend some of their massive reserves, instead of just leaving it in the bank earning interest. As of now, there are ovef 500 Independent companies working on Wii U titles. Add to this 1st and 2nd party, tneir new GARAGE companies, of which there are around 5, there are more than enough games to last the Wii U until 2017, when their next console is likely to hit the market. The lack of true 3rd party is a blow, but out of the three, Nintendo is the only one that has the money to turn things around.....FACT. Sony has sold off all it's high street centres, half of it's music industry, and closed down 2 office building. They have also sold of their laptop division, all to try and get some money back, as the PS4 will not show a return for another year or so. The Xbox is now looking at another 2 years before showing a return, what with their latest price reduction.
As Peter Molyneux and Cliff Belzinski both said, anyone who writes Nintendo off, does so at their peril.
@akaDv8R There is no way in hell that Microsoft and Sony are going to sit back and do nothing for 5-8 years, especially if Nintendo manages to one up PS4 and Xbox One's hardware.
@Quorthon Agreed. Honestly, the only 1st party game that can still consistently sell hardware for Nintendo anymore is Pokemon, and that only applies to handhelds. However, Game Freak runs on their own schedule, not Nintendo's, so Nintendo can't use Pokemon to make their handheld successful - they can only use it to make their handheld more successful. With the 3DS they managed to sell 35 million units - surpassing the N64's lifetime sales - by the end of September 2013, just before Pokemon X/Y released.
Of course, none of that helps them on the console front, which is where they are struggling.
Unfortunately, this lose-lose situation they are in doesn't just apply to the Wii U's successor, it also applies to that system's successor and every system afterwards too. It's an endless cycle. The only ways Nintendo can break out of the cycle are if MS/Sony royally screws up or pulls out, if Nintendo goes 3rd party or pulls out of gaming completely, or if the industry just crashes and burns all together.
@akaDv8R
I think it's funny that you ask me where I get my information, then reply with a post as ill-informed and silly as this.
For one thing, the problems with the framerates on the XBO and PS4 will be resolved and these issues are normal "new-gen" issues that literally every generation has to deal with. It's growing pains and simply asinine to use that as a point to complain about those machines. Honestly now.
And the Wii U is Nintendo's first true multiplayer console? I sincerely hope there are words missing from that, such as referencing the online, but it's sure as hell not Nintendo's first "multiplayer" console. Pretty sure every one of their systems allowed more than one player. Even the Virtual Boy was planned to.
And I'm not even sure what to think about the bizarrely foolish comment about having a PS4 until a month ago, unless it was someone else's and you're trying to make it sound like you owned one but got rid of it for some stupid reason, you know, right before it's first big year actually starts. Frankly, the only thing I have found in short supply concerning the PS4 is shmups.
By the way, Cliff Bleszinski has also made statements where he thinks Nintendo should go third party. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2013-02-25-industry-turmoil-worst-since-80s-crash-says-bleszinski
Peter Molyneux, for that matter, doesn't appear to understand the Wii U at all: http://www.vg247.com/2012/06/07/quick-quotes-peter-molyneux-not-really-decided-about-wii-u/
Yes, Sony has sold off office buildings and the Vaio division, but the Playstation division and brand is as strong, if not stronger than ever. Your fabled "500 indies" for Wii U? I Googled "500" and "Wii U indie," and found nothing to back up that ridiculousness. You also need to keep in mind these indie teams--many may not be established and there's no guarantee of either quality or if the games will come out at all. Sadly, we've seen a staggering number of indie shovelware on the Wii U.
Saying "FACT" after a silly statement like "Nintendo is the only one who has the money to turn it around" does not indeed make your silly comment a "fact." Nintendo has a lot of money in the bank, but they don't have anywhere as much as Sony or Microsoft, who can weather far worse for far longer. Nintendo does not have enough games or support to go it alone for an entire generation, and a bunch of indies will not make up for missing out on almost literally every major third party AAA title.
You can talk up Japan-specific 3DS sales if you want, but if the 3DS is doing so well, feel free to explain why it has lost 3rd party support as badly, if not worse, than the Wii U. The 3DS has by far the fewest known games for 2015--and the Vita has more than the Wii U.
@IceClimbers
I think an industry crash is possible, but not particularly likely. I think Nintendo going third party is, now, just a matter of time. I don't think MS or Sony are going to screw themselves enough for Nintendo to suddenly reclaim the crown, as it were. MS had boondoggles stacked upon missteps, but they were able to recover and the XBO is performing better than the X360 at this point, but not as well as the PS4.
It sounds a bit incredulous, but based on what we know about Nintendo, the Wii, and Wii U, I simply cannot see how they'll return to their former glory. I can picture the methods to do it, but can't see Nintendo, under current management, actually understanding that.
This is a cycle they badly need to escape, but I don't think they know how. And just look around at many of the comments on here--Nintendo fans are great at pretending nothing's wrong or defending the company when they're failing or ailing.
I disagreed with the sentiment for ages, but I'm starting to think that 3rd party is not only in Nintendo's future, but may be necessary for them. In order for them to make a console that is profitable for them by going it alone, it'll have to be something that almost automatically marginalizes them to a distant sideline, while MS and Sony hold complete control of the industry. That sounds ominous, but I am actually really enjoying what's going on in gaming outside of Nintendo. MS and Sony are doing a great job.
@akaDv8R: C'mon dude, you can't actually believe what you posted. Quorthon is totally spot on with his posts. I stopped drinking the Nintendo Kool-Aid a few months ago, and saw what I was missing out on. The company is full of it, with tons of empty promises to the most loyal of console owners. That eventually negatively impacts perception and sales at some point. They could release a PS4 or Xbox one type console tomorrow and I'm confident nobody would care. They have managed to damage the brand to the point of no return.
Whatever happened to that new budget console releasing exclusively for China in 2015? Nintendo definitely has a shot against Microsoft and Sony in the Chinese market and hopefully has a solid lineup of games for the console.
@Quorthon The exact reply one would expect from a Sony fan boy. It has been well documented that Nintendo has the largest amount of reserves out of the 3. Microsoft as a whole, certainly is worth more, however their gaming division is loosing them money left right and centre.
Sony had to sell of more than two thirds of the whole company, just to bring the PS4 to the market. One of its biggest games so far was Drive Club, and that was a disaster for an online game.
Devs having problems getting the best out of consoles for the first year or so is true, if they are brand new technology. However, both Sony and Microsoft chose to use PC architecture, so Devs cannot, and have not used that as an excuse.
There has been nothing released on either PS4 or Xbox1 that IS next gen, as the titles are also released on the previous machines. This year alone, the Wii U has had a higher meta critic score, overall for its titles than the other 2. Nintendo was announced developer of the year. Mario Kart 8 was announced sports/driving game of the year.
Many people, mainly associated with Microsoft and Sony, have been asking for Nintendo to take its games multi platform. Why, because they offer a unique experience that you can only play on their machines. Taking their games multi platform would diminish the worth of those games, and why you will never see them on another console.
At time of writing, the Vita may have had more games announced for next year. Does that actually mean there will be more games? Of course not. Nintendo has already said it has games in the works, but are not prepared to announce them yet. As for the 3DS failing, you are delusional, and the Japanese sales alone bare that out. Actually, the Wii U is the best selling home console in Japan from the latest figures.
I have far better things to do than waste time and energy trying to understand you. Playing with my daughters, and playing unique games on my Wii U, and for everything else, I gave my gaming PC. Best of both worlds.
@Souldin Well said. Balanced, informed and non aggressive. I could not have said it better. One thing I would add is, in a recent INDEPENDENT poll, the most anticipated game at the moment is Spratton, followed closely by Xenoblade Chronicles X.
@Quorthon I agree, though I'm not sure the methods Nintendo would have to use to return to their former glory would even work in the end.
I wonder which is more likely though: Nintendo going 3rd party or Nintendo going handheld only. They could do a combination of both though - 3rd party on consoles while still having their own handhelds.
Also, I wonder if the other 3rd parties would even like the idea of a 3rd party Nintendo. They may prefer Nintendo staying where they are, going handheld only, or pulling out of gaming entirely so that they don't have to deal with them. They'd have to directly compete with a 3rd party Nintendo.
I really have no idea what they could do that could benenift them. if they make them similar I feel like they'll face the same problems Sony is facing, where people are just going to choose one system over another.
If they choose to merge them then I feel like the handheld portion of it is going to hold the console portion back and vise versa. Nintendo's games come out so well because they tailor fit them for a specific console. Making one hybrid console means its a jack of all trades, master of none.
@Souldin
Nintendo don't need to replace the Wii U for financial reasons but for business reasons. They're walking a tightrope. Yes replacing the Wii U a bit early may upset some of the machines current owners but they've also got to look at the millions of people who aren't buying it. They could even release their new hardware and support the Wii U if they were that concerned.
Personally I think it more likely that finally uniting software purchases onto the NNID account rather than hardware and allowing people to take large amounts of their software onto the new machine will prove attractive enough to bring the Nintendo hardcore (the people who've bought Wii U's) across to the new machines. Especially if they get the launch line up right.
@akaDv8R
A few points of reply
"Also, last gen, PS3 was in third place up until the end of 2013, but does anyone think the PS3 was/is a flop?" No but at the end of 2008 when the PS3 was as old as the Wii U is now, the PS3 had sold over 21 million machines twice what the Wii U has done.
"If they launch the next home console sometime in 2017, that will give them at least, 5-8 years on the others" MS and Sony talk about a 10-year lifespan but that doesn't mean they won't launch new hardware sooner-they're still selling PS3's and 360's now along the newer machines. If they thought power was the reason Nintendo were (hypothetically) outselling them they would launch new hardware themselves.
"3rd party devs are going to come drooling back to Nintendo with their next console" That is only going to happen if Nintendo get the system architecture, price and most importantly launch line up absolutely right. A group of big first and second party titles at launch. Nintendos recent track record when it comes to these things is not good
"Nintendo could reduce the price of the Wii U by say, 50 U.K. pounds, and they will fly off the shelves." That's guesswork really. I suspect if Nintendo really thought that was the case they'd have done it.
"We already know Smash has sold at least 2 million consoles in North America alone". Link please, I can't find anything via Google. "I had a PS4 until a month ago. Apart from The Last of Us, which I claim to be the best video game of all time, there was/is nothing to play" I have a PS4 and Wii U and have to disagree with that wholeheartedly. All opinions though of course
"1080p 60fps....something the 360 and PS3 did a better job at". That isn't true. Very few games on PS3 are 1080 60fps
"the Wii U is their first HD console. In the time they have had, they have come a long way" They should have been much better prepared. When they launched the Wii they would have known their next Console would be HD and should have been ready to go by 2012.
"out of the three, Nintendo is the only one that has the money to turn things around.....FACT"
Not a fact really. Sorry it just annoys me a bit when people claim 'FACT' when it isn't
I would be very surprised if Nintendo's next home console comes out in 2016.
@akaDv8R Thank you very much.
Also, interesting to hear about the results of said poll. As far as Wii U and 3DS games go, Splatoon also happens to be my most looked forward to game as of the moment.
IMHO Nintendo should copy the same model that blackberry is using right now:
proprietary hardware + proprietary OS
** BUT **
A virtual environment that could run any Android application / game inside a sandbox.
So you could have the best of both words: games and app downloaded from the Google App Store, plus original games made by Nintendo and third parties that cannot be pirated easily and ported to other android devices
Wait does this means Wii U is finishing?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
The "New" Nintendo Wii U is next
As long as Nintendo doesn't become a hand held only company, I'll be fine. In fact, I hope this whole hand held and console merge idea is true as well. But the most important thing for me at least, is that Nintendo doesn't go away from the physical game disc format. I will honestly not buy even HALF the games I do, if Ninty decides to do that. Heck, I may even quit gaming altogether.
I like the way Nintendo is thinking on this and the two companies bidding that were mentioned seem like good fits. It should be noted that at least Apple has made a "Metal" API for getting closer to the kind of hardware specific optimizing that consoles enjoy all while using PowerVR-style GPUs. On top of this, middleware like Untiy (Unity3d.com) is already optimized specifically for this existing hardware and Nintendo has embraced them.
There's a potential here for a platform that is a much easier port for third parties and that will be very important in the next generation.
Like the linked article states, the intention to support the Wii U architecture within these new chips is worrisome. Certainly there's an advantage with utilizing all the experience Nintendo engine developers have acquired, but the less custom parts the more bang you get for your buck. Also, there is a wealth of resources already established around known hardware that Nintendo could take advantage of.
The big mystery is the actual products. All I know is one of the platforms seems to have a control option that lends itself well to a new F-Zero. Even that could be a peripheral for 3DS or Wii U, but that seems highly unlikely.
@rjejr
I really don't want "fusion" unless it is perfect and I don't know that's possible with the current Nintendo. Too many liabilities and problems with costly parts.
Whatever Nintendo's next "twists" on the hardware platforms will be I'm betting it will be looking very hard at the costs (time, money, and even performance as in how the GamePad uses need more processing power)
I'm thinking handheld and console will be separate for at least one more generation. On top of this I'm finding the idea of a mobile-style third option or platform within other phones an intriguing fourth platform for Nintendo. Controller add-on that also unlocks genuine Nintendo games, for instance — admittedly, a tough one from a cannibalization standpoint
@Quorthon
Nintendo will always sell consoles off the backs of Mario and Zelda, always.
Whether it's going to be the "best selling" of the next gen consoles is always up in the air-
Also the "latter day" underpowered system they came out with (the wii) won the last generation in terms of sales
So I think power is irrelevant to them because they proved they can do it with new ideas rather then power.
Qol- is suppose to be a separate hardware/ tech/ idea all on its own and may not even be about gaming.
Whatever the new stuff is for gaming integration seems to be a good step
I think they take all the lessons learned from this gen, the wiiu, 3ds, nnid, online store and play, incorporate all that together all the while making sure enough games are being developed for launch of this new console and sit back and watch.
But regardless what it is
There will always be mario, Zelda, DK.
They will sell regardless
And PC will never take over console gaming
Pc has always been more powerful then consoles and yet consoles sell way more
Way way more
Holiday 2017, especially if they are looking to merge their portable and console development and hardware. The 3DS has some legs since it has no competition outside of iOS. Let the WiiU breathe a little and let the 3DS stay strong before you 'Change The System.'
Also I have a ps4 along with wiiu
Wiiu is great for family and fun
And the reason why they will never go third party
Never
Whoever thinks that is being ignorant towards the company that's inspired and grown the entire gaming industry to what it is today
@gilvelez1 The Quality of Life platform will have very little to do with gaming. The first product revealed is a sleep management system to help you get a better sleep. I was hopeful it would be a bit more like the Wii Fit and Wii Sports platform to off load that to a separate place with different costs and let the main console platform be for the traditional gamers. Doesn't seem like that is happening, so far.
Wouldn't that be a great fourth platform though? A reborn Wii with all the fun gimmicks and much lower entry costs? If it remained compatible with the traditional console that would be nice, too. I can imagine many just buying the second low-cost console for a different room for kids, grand parents, and party play.
While I'm dreaming, I'd love Nintendo to make some twist to their console hardware that would make the "core" gamers get excited. Maybe some communication tech that makes you feel like the people you are playing on line with are right in the room? Or something that ties directly into making controlling FPS games a dream.
Nintendo DSU. Done.
Nintendo's next portable and home console, combined. Same power as Wii U, but in portable form AND it continues the lifespan of the Wii U. It would take the shape of a 3DS with the same controls of the GamePad. It would have a HDMI out for TV play.
@aaronsullivan
I've read all that about QOL
It's def not about gaming
But Nintendo trying to expand their business
Their next system (which I will purchase regardless)
Would be cool with new ideas, controls, etc
They have been doing that for years -
The controller for every system they put out has been different and inspiring, innovative
While Sony and Xbox can't move away from their current controller formats.
I also would be surprised if Nintendo decides to come out with a new virtual boy!!
Since all the major companies are dabbing into the world, Nintendo could be first...
Oh wait they already were lol
They're first for everything (with the exception of amiibo)
Nintendo should've done that along time ago-
The NVIDIA X-1 Chip, coming out later this year, is said to be capable of about 1 Teraflop. That's a MOBILE chip with eight cores. The X-1 is roughly twice as powerful as the K-1 released last year. If their performance gains continue year-on-year it's very possible that the next Nvidia chip released in 2016 will be on par with or even faster than the XB1 and PS4. We're talking about a MOBILE chip that puts those machines to shame and can easily decode 4K video. It's entirely possible that Nintendo can release a handheld console that is capable of replacing both the Wii-U AND the DS AND perform better than the PS4 and XB1 ... all by 2016.
It would be cool for the game pad to show the real time video of the other gamers you are playing against. The tech is there, not sure their backbone could handle it though.
My gut feeling is that nintendo just doesn't have the In-house technical resource base (ie. engineers and software coders) that Microsoft and Sony has. And they are completely fine not spending more to obtain it. That's why basic tasks and features like porting all the wii vc titles over the wii u is taking forever, or allowing single purchased vc titles to run on both the 3ds and wii u.
If Nintendo is considering a handheld/console then I totally see them coming out with it sooner rather than later, and it being a third pillar for another 2-3 years before they decide to stop developing for Wii U.
@electrolite77
"Personally I think it more likely that finally uniting software purchases onto the NNID account rather than hardware"
They already did that. It's the NNID that is tied to the hardware, not the digital purchases.
Nintendo is making a lot of hardware right now: the budget console for China, the QoL sleep monitor, and of course the 3DS Successor. Nintendo should stay with portables.
Nintendo needs to make their next hardware with 2020 in mind instead of playing catch up with its competitors. Hopefully the next console is at the same level, if not, more powerful than the others
I think they will announce the concept of the Wii U's successor in 2016 and launch in 2017.
This is what they did with the Wii and Gamecube. It will also result in a 5 year lifespan which is the norm (the Wii was the exception at 6 years).
Sure, after the announcement interest in the Wii U will drop... but frankly, it will not make any difference as it's not like it's setting the house on fire sales-wise.
Alternatively, they may go for an early release in 2016 if they were to promote it as a "third pillar" as they did with the DS vs Gamecube.
The idea would be a very different console/portable hybrid or something like that.
In any case if anyone thinks that 2017 is going to be a strong year for Wii U I think they are deluding themselves. Remember that the last year before a new console is released (and I don't see it being any later than 2017) is usually a drought for the incumbent. In particular, the 6 months prior to release will see no new games for Wii U.
2016 will have some interesting games I'm sure, but they are going to be mostly niches. Perhaps they'll manage to get the Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem project off the dry dock that it is rumoured to be in. And they will have some other announcements (Metroid is my prediction). But yeah, Holiday 2016 will be the Wii U's last hurrah.
I too think that getting the NNID-linked downloads will be key, but it will not come easily. The problem of course is not technology - every system from Android to Xbox offers this feature nowadays.
I think that the real problem for Nintendo is business related. Their business is reliant on selling the same piece of software to the same people many times over. For example, how many versions of Super Mario Bros have there been over the years? Even a much more recent game, such as Ocarina of Time has had several: N64, Gamecube (two emulation discs), Wii VC, 3DS..
As we are speculating, I will use my crystal ball to predict that the next system will not be backwards compatible with Wii U or Wii, allowing a clean break with the systems architecture of the last decade. It will have a full controller with analog triggers and have Gamecube VC from the get-go. It will also launch with a strong line up including the next 3D Mario game. Some Wii U games will be ported over either by ditching the tablet (in some games it does little other than provide a map) or by linking it with the successor to the 3DS which could act as a gamepad substitute. There will be a subset of the eshop which will offer games that work on both the next Wii U and the next 3DS (most indie games will be on this section, and if they square the sums I mentioned in the previous paragraph, most of the VC too).
It will be cheap to be able to compete with the PS4 and Xbox 1 which will be seeing price drops at that stage of their lifecycles. It will be a success, but not in the scale of the Wii.
@aaronsullivan - "I'm thinking handheld and console will be separate for at least one more generation."
Will there even be home consoles then? Real home consoles? Sony's PS4 says yes for this gen, and so maybe even the next PS5/Wii U2 and whatever odd name MS can come up w/ for their Xbox follow-up, but you are talking about the gen after that. Won't we all just have Morpheus helmets and chips in our heads by then? Or holodecks? I'ld suggest handhelds w/ HDMI out but by then I'm sure a new standard will be in place - see RCA, competent, DVI, HDMI. Maybe everything will be wireless?
No one can predict Ntinedo. They colored the Wii Mini Netflix red and removed internet access, and bundled it w/ online multiplayer Mario Kart. Tell me who predicted that?
@rjejr
Haha about red wii. Good point and may I suggest you don't advertise it!
Well, I said at least one console generation for sure. After that who knows what will find success like you say. VR might be impractical unless you are at home for instance.
@rjejr It's obvious that we'll be playing video games on motorcycles. Launch title is Pokemon TCG
@IceClimbers Not Yu-gi-oh?
@aaronsullivan - "may I suggest you don't advertise it!"
Advertise what?
@Bolt_Strike That's pre-installed on the system
@Quorthon Nintendo has enough money to fail for years, so I don't see them anytime going third party.
I just hope nintendo realizes what they need to do to improve, but im sure they will do before they lose the billions yen they have in their bank
@Cyberbotv2 So you are saying Nintendo should just give up then?
@electrolite77 It annoys me that people assume that they are always right and others wrong. There has been a lot of that here and I havent even been here that long.
@Quorthon You seem to do what basically Third parties are doing which is blaming Nintendo fans for their poor sales. Again, If third parties want better sales they need to stop making excuses,stop blaming fans for their poor sales of their games and also RELEASE FULL VERSIONS OF THEIR GAMES. They also need to stop poking at Nintendo too geez. Lastly you seem to do what you are blaming other fans of doing which is pretending that others are doing good. All three are not doing well right now lets just leave it at that yes they are making money but elsewhere they are losing tons of money and had to cut somethings back in order to make the bleeding less severe. Lastly people need to stop predicting things and stop with all this fair–weather nonsense Nintendo,Sony and MS are gonna stay in the Gaming industry no one is going anywhere. Geez cool your jets bro.
@IceClimbers
Yeah sorry, poor wording on my part. I meant separating it all from the hardware, going to a proper (this is the word I was trying to avoid) cloud-based account with VC and any other back-compatibility they can manage transferring straight over to the new hardware iOS style. I think that, along with Gamecube VC and a decent launch line-up would sell the new system to the Nintendo hardcore even if it launched as early as 2016.
Amiibo and QoL (whatever that product line will be) are the third pillar and Nintendo's attempt to diversify some. As are their attempts at broadening the merchandise out there. So at best a third console would be a fourth pillar and most likely would suck energy from two consoles struggling to get content already.
I think New 3DS is a stopgap measure to keep the handheld alive long enough for the Wii U cycle to end at a reasonable length of support. The worse thing Nintendo can do is cut support off early and then ask everything to buy into the "next" thing. That tactic is a large part of what hurt and killed Sega's hardware business.
I think what we will see is Nintendo go fully into the handheld side of the equation with either a streaming box or connectivity to play on the television. Ever since the 3DS launched, Nintendo has been in a constant state of panic pulling teams from one console to the other trying to hold them both up.
This also makes since because they dominate the handheld console market, and despite the casual crowd jumping to $0.99 mobile games in the West there is still demand.
I expect the Wii U to last another two years (or more if there are development issues with the replacement), and I would hope they would use that time to work out account issues, connectivity issues, and all the other little things that matter to people.
@Gridatttack
The excuse "Nintendo can fail for decades" is both absurd and one of the absolute worst defenses anyone can lobby to the company. At least you seem to recognize that they are failing, but then you think it's okay because they can just keep on failing!
Here's some simple logic--the further behind they fall, the more money they'll have to spend on R&D, marketing, and production. Particularly marketing, because the fewer and fewer people know or care about the company, the more they'll have to spend to get the same amount of attention they simply had before when they were more relevant.
Look at Sony. The PS3 was said to have initially upended the success of the PS1 and PS2 though whether this is accurate or a bit of hyperbole is unclear, but it was damaging as the PS3 sold only a little over half what the PS2 managed. Sony had to play from behind for the bulk of the last generation. It cost them a lot of time, money, and embarrassment, as well as lost market share--even though they have one of the most recognizable and popular brands in the history of gaming: PLAYSTATION.
Nintendo is currently sitting on one of the least popular brands in gaming: Wii U, and to an extension, Wii.
You talk as if it's great that Nintendo can "just keep on failing" for "another decade," but while it's good they were smart enough to build up some savings, the reality is that no, Nintendo cannot just keep on failing for decades. They've been gradually losing market share for generations now, and despite the high sales of the Wii and DS, they still don't have much in the way of third party support, they haven't broadened their own library to modern, necessary genres and styles, and they are not seen as relevant by regular (non-Nintendo) gamers, retailers, or other developers in the industry.
Look at it another way: Everyone is aware of Microsoft, but MS famously spent half a billion dollars simply promoting the original Xbox, just to get the name and attention out there. They started from zero and understood that they would have to spend a fortune to make a fortune.
Nintendo not only doesn't seem to understand that they have to spend money to make money, but Iwata cut spending on marketing of all things, and are not helping to repair the heavily-tarnished Wii brand. On top of that, while MS was starting at zero, Nintendo will be starting from a negative position. Whatever they do next, they'll have to not only promote it heavily and spend a fortune just to advertise it, but they'll also have to spend considerable money and effort repairing damage caused by the Wii.
Playstation and Xbox are hot, popular, trusted, recognizable brands. "Wii" is not. And despite high sales of the console, it ultimately led to the dismally performing Wii U and some heavy losses on Nintendo's part. The Wii, ultimately, left a bad taste in the mouth of consumers.
Sure, they can "just keep on failing" for a while, but the longer they fail, the harder it'll be for them to turn things around and the more costly it'll be, which means that every year they fail, they'll have to spend more of that saved money for the same results. It is in their best interest to turn things around right away, and if the next console doesn't do it, the one after it is almost guaranteed to be a failure. It's becoming a cycle.
@kantaroo
I would just like to point out that a 5-year lifespan is not the norm anymore. It was a staggering 8 years between the Xbox 360 and the Xbox One launch, and seven years between PS3 and PS4. The (modern) hardware lasts longer and the rate of growth is less noticeable now on a purely visual front. If Nintendo releases their next console in a 5-year span (putting it at 2017), it'll be ignored by consumers as an unnecessary stop-gap during a period when the PS4 and XBO will likely be at their absolute height and strongest market influence. Yes, even stronger than now.
Without third parties, Nintendo does not have the ability to fully maintain these two platforms by themselves for a full generation. They are increasingly at risk of moving into, essentially, a half-generation rotation compared to MS and Sony, and consumers will not be interested in it.
This is why IceClimbers and I have observed that they are in a lose-lose position. Continue to support the Wii U and 3DS, which are largely no longer being supported by 3rd parties, and they will continue to slip well behind in the market and risk losing a dangerous amount of ground and attention important for a new console. Release a new console too soon and it'll be seen as a risky and unnecessary stop-gap to bridge this generation and the actual next generation, which is going to start when Sony and MS say it will. Both of these solutions lead to consumer apathy, lost revenue, and Nintendo fan apologetics claiming that all this failure is just fine and dandy.
@gilvelez1
You guys that like to tout the "whul, the Wii won in sales last gen" are pulling a terrible argument right from your human nethers. Either knock off that lame-ass and terrible argument or start explaining how, despite it's high sales, the following:
1. If the Wii was so great, why does it have literally 1000 fewer games than either the X360 or PS3?
2. If the Wii was so great, why did it's successor not follow with at least somewhat similar sales and success?
3. If the Wii was so great, why didn't it have equivalent third party support to the X360 and PS3?
4. If the Wii was so great, why did it's sales drop off so drastically, while the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 continued to sell strongly and be supported even after their successor launched?
5. If the Wii was so great, why isn't it still selling while the X360 and PS3 still are? Hell, I think both of these continue regularly outsell or match sales of the Wii U.
In the end, the Wii sold around 100 million units. The Xbox 360 "only" around 83 million and the PS3 "only" around 80 million. But frankly, at the end of the generation, the Wii was obviously very damaging to Nintendo, and that damage can be seen in the Wii U. That fewer-than-20-million lead the Wii has in sales means nothing unless you're saying it earned Nintendo temporary money. It didn't help them build a stronger relationship with consumers and especially not with gamers, it didn't build a stronger relationship with 3rd parties, it didn't even feature as large a library as it's contemporaries, and ultimately it was seen as a gimmick console and the very brand of "Wii" is recognizable for gimmickry. The Wii sold really well, and left a foul taste in the mouths of the entire industry. I doubt even the vast majority of Nintendo fans would call it Nintendo's best console unless the only thing said fan cares about are empty sales.
We really can't even talk about the QoL thing, whatever the hell it is. Suffice to say, if they're putting too much effort into that, they're not putting enough where they should--into their console. And as we've seen with the Wii U and 3DS, Nintendo doesn't have the resources to focus on both at the same time in equal measure. What reason do we have to believe they can support this third platform without further damage to everything?
@Csaw How about a console that uses a handheld (a more vita-like gamepad if you will) as it's controller with wii u pro controller support as well (drop the wii remotes and all those crazy attachments).
Games would work like this. Console games of higher quality would remain tethered to the living room, but playable off-tv (pretty much just like wii u or vita/ps4 remote play). The portable/controller would have a slot for less graphically powerful portable games with the ability to beam that content to your tv at leisure. Two different sets of software still, more options for where you play. Unify the accounts with a NNID and adopt a cross-buy mentality for virtual console titles and select titles (Indies, download only software, etc.) that are capable of running on either system, not unlike the playstation environment.
This would allow for Nintendo to offer 3 skus on the market at launch as well. A standalone console with pro controller for $300 (with the option of linking a portable later if they purchase it), a standalone portable (with the option to link to the console later if they purchase it) for $200, and a combo bundle (value for parents) with console, pro controller, and portable with a multiplayer-ready game like Mario Kart or Smash Bros. for $400-$450.
With separate catalogs of games there would be no self-cannibalizing of market, only consumer options and value.
I realize that's a crazy wall of text, but I hope the idea translates.
@Quorthon tl;dr Dont feel like reading through the whole post, because I already know what to expect from you (by reading your posts in this thread)
The thing is, I never implied that I "think it's okay because they can just keep on failing!", and I presume the post is mostly based on that.
I was just mentioning that they perhaps wont be anytime soon a third party developer, because they at least have some money to R&D new ways to improve their stance (despite gradually losing more), and I never supported that they can still continue fail and still be as they are now
@Gridatttack
Saying you didn't read something and still commenting on it is an exercise in deliberate ignorance. I'm sure you can do better, as I explained the foolishness of your follow-up within that which you deliberately ignored.
@Artie
I actually suggested this very idea earlier in 2014 to someone over at GameInformer, oddly enough, about a week before the totally nonsense "Nintendo Fusion" sprang up online, and were instantly traced back to their source and debunked.
It's a smart idea as it puts strong emphasis on the portable, which is Nintendo's strength these days, and offers an early hint and taste of the console. Unfortunately I think it would be more expensive and risky than the Wii U itself, when we get right down to it, and let's face it, it's almost too good an idea for Nintendo to follow through.
@Quorthon Fine, I went up and read it.
And its exactly what I expected (and read before somewhere else, really)
I say again, I never implied that I "think it's okay because they can just keep on failing!".
I said that they have funds they can use to continue R&D and not fall immediately to third party status, not that they "can keep failing and be alright"
So the "foolish follow up" you replied was in something I never thought in the first place, so why had I to read it in the first place?
@Quorthon
It is a bit ambitious, but I still stand by it and believe that it is the best COA for the company to stay relevant. I love Nintendo and look forward to my child growing up in a world with their unique, creative, family-friendly and high quality products. I just can't imagine a world without them or where they have fallen out of the console game. I don't want to either. I don't want my kid having to live in a Sony/Microsoft dominated home console world. Not that I don't love playstation, FAR FROM IT! I just view my ps4, ps3, and vita as my grown-up games.
@Gridatttack
You said Nintendo has the money to fail for years. This statement defends their failing and attempts to turn an obvious negative into something bizarrely positive. I explained why this is a silly thing to defend, and not really a positive outlook. And in Nintendo's case, why even this prolonged failure can be extremely damaging.
Sure, they can fail for years--technically, almost every company can. Silicon Knights maintained a steady stream of failure over most of the last generation. That is not a good thing, and is usually said by Nintendo fans desperate to swing all of Nintendo's bad news in some kind of positive manner.
I also illustrated that, even with all this money in the bank, that is not a guarantee against going third party, which you clearly still believe. "Nintendo has money, despite hefty and continuing failure, that means Nintendo will not go third party." That makes absolutely no sense. Long before that money runs out, they will either have to sell off their assets or go third party if they are to save the company at all.
Suffice to say, if they fail this generation--which has essentially already happened--and they fail the next generation, then it will be a fast track to going third party. I have no doubts there is at least one more console in their future, but unless that console magically sees massive sales, earns impressive profits, returns third party support, returns industry confidence, and returns gamer confidence in the brand/company, then Nintendo will have little choice but to go third party to straighten things out.
It doesn't matter how much money they have, if the next console fails, then going third party will be their best option to save face, return to profit, and keep the investors happy. If the next console fails, it is safe to say that Nintendo is highly unlikely to get back all the things it needs to maintain a console--third party support, gamer and industry confidence, etc.
Nintendo must not die, it must not go the route of Sega. I believe (with the rumblings of a disenfranchised gaming populace ringing throughout the halls of web forums) that if Nintendo took a couple of bold steps into some innovative, non-casual gaming tech while keeping true to their stance on withered technology, they could win a lot of people back. We are seeing trickles of them already. Micro-transactions, pieced-out dlc fests, broken launches, and always-online is ruining our fun.
Remember that? Fun right out of the box? It's getting fuzzy to me, but I still remember.
@Quorthon I should mention that I was never in a set mind that they will never go third party. Im mostly in that they aren't going anytime there so soon, not that they will never ever go third party. Everything can happen to anything in this time and date.
But yes, lets see how they do next gen, because its clearly if they fail next gen, things will be dire indeed.
After all, isn't sony in some sort of massive debt last time I heard too? Or did they managed to improve last time I heard that? (last year I believe)
Seems in the end microsoft will be the last standing :>
@Artie
I know how you feel on that front, but the more I play my PS4, and the more I feel that Nintendo doesn't know how to appeal to modern gamers, the more I'm warming up to them going third party--something I both disbelieved possible and adamantly didn't want at one time.
Times change and nothing is forever. And sometimes, the leaders of the past must be replaced by the leaders who are creating the future. Nintendo is like Henry Ford, who once revolutionized the auto industry and became a great leader, then forgot to continue to innovate and grow with an industry that quickly left him behind, until he was ejected from his own company.
Also, ha, I have to disagree with your "fun out of the box" comment--the Wii U took longer to set up than any game console I've ever owned--and I have a few--clocking in at over two to four hours (don't remember specifics). My PS4 was ready to use within minutes.
@Gridatttack
Sony was in bad shape for the better part of a decade, and 2013 and 2014 was the start of them finally turning things around. They had to sell off a billion-dollar office building and the Viao PC division to recoup some of their losses and restructure a whole helluva lot.
Thankfully for them, they did almost everything right with the PS4 (and even the Vita looks to be given new life), and the PS4 looks to be a new PS2, if you will.
I suppose most of my issue stems from a word like "soon" which is too arbitrary, and I find the "they can fail for a long time" argument highly annoying and naive.
In gaming, continued failure has almost always led to total failure. Atari failed for three generations in a row, with the 5200 (ironically the same gen as the 2600), 7800, and then the Jaguar. Each time they failed, it made failure of the next console easier. Despite it's sales, many view the Wii as a gimmicky failure, and it's depressing final years on the market back this up--for such a "successful" console, it should've gone out with a bang (like the NES, SNES, PS1, PS2, etc), not a miserable whimper.
Sony worked fast and hard turning the almost-failure of the PS3 into a brag-worthy success, which led into the staggering early success of the PS4. Nintendo needs to turn the Wii U around right now, because going by history (and Sega mirrors Atari), they are on-track for going third party, sooner rather than later, and their next console may well be their Dreamcast (I consider the Wii U to be their Saturn--it's make or break time).
@Quorthon
I guess I should have mentioned that I to have gotten irritated by the patching and things that seemed to show itself in abundance on the wii u alongside it's competitors, so yes even Nintendo is guilty. That doesn't mean it has to stay that way, and it wouldn't if that was the focus. If when we were first introduced to games as children, would we have dealt with the nonsense we deal with now? Would our parents have dealt with it? Granted, it wouldn't be possible back then, but still it would have soured us to the whole idea. We need to get back to what's important in this industry. Providing a quality, easy to use product right out of the box. It's sad to me that any company that tried this now would be perceived as radically changing the game, when it was just what we knew as children. It needs to happen.
@Quorthon Let's make a console. Lol. Between your hyper-analytical understanding of the industry's failures, and me waxing nostalgic...magic would happen. Then and only then will Nintendo have a good environment to move into third-party development. Also, we should acquire Mega Man from his overlords at Capcom...these kids just don't appreciate dying in a burst of blue bubbles like they should.
I always appreciate a deep videogame-related discussion and I thank you for that.
@Artie
I think modern parents and kids are adapting to the updates and set-up issues, as we have them in all facets of our lives now--phones, computers, game consoles, new games, everything. My kid got a 2DS a year (maybe two?) ago and I was surprised how long I had to sit setting it up. It might have been different "back in the day," but parents now are more technically savvy then they were back then, merely because we both grew up with it and are so surround with it.
Ha, yeah, let's crank out a new console for Nintendo. Let's write up a proposal, and use a lot of caps lock!
@Quorthon I see.
Well, I suppose next time I reply to you, I will be more clear in terms of words so we can avoid something like this in the future ;P
But yeah, im sure ninty is now realizing the gimmicky-taken success on the wii, and now the harsh time it is for the wii u. They would be dumb to not take action to prevent something like this in the future...
@Quorthon
Your 1-5 points are ridiculous and childish
What are you so mad for
Numbers don't lie
Who cares who had fewer games and less support
You buy and play Nintendo because it's Nintendo
Nintendo games are great
Top tier games period
Which is why you guys cry for them to go third party
Also if you weren't a fan you wouldn't be on a site all about Nintendo
@Gridatttack
I have worries that Nintendo still thinks some weird gimmick or new controller is the way to go. Miyamoto seemed to say some weird hint about "new controls" concerning a new F-Zero. I think he's caught up on "let's make weird different controllers" over "let's make interesting, new games."
I think the Wii was misguided. They really succeeded for a little while on the Blue Ocean idea, but it's bizarre that they seemed to have no follow-through or plan on how to both maintain the idea or expand it back to regular gamers. I'm confident that, had the Wii been as powerful as the X360 and PS3, and contained similar modern features (solid online, player profiles, some kind of Achievement system, etc), it would have been a different story.
I think Nintendo's best era was the SNES, where they both delivered what gamers were expecting and wanted, along with their best "Nintendo Difference" concepts and creativity.
The Wii U is a disaster. Full stop. Nintendo's whole image is in decline. The vast majority of people buying consoles in 2015 (and those in 2014) do not give a rat's backside about the Wii U or Mario. The figures don't lie. If Mario was so freaking great (among the general gaming public) the 35m that bought MK8 would have come back for more.. or at least 25% of them. The 10m plus that bought Galaxy would have come back for 3D World.
I am tired of saying this but Nintendo home consoles now ONLY appeal to a shrinking number of fans. No company can survive on these crappy sales. I don't care who they are.
A companies first priority and objective is to make as much money as possible.
Pleasing the consumer is important but secondary. Pleasing a few people is pointless if there is no substantial reward for a company of Nintendos stature.
This whole Mickey Mouse, kiddie, cartoony image that Nintendo loves to uphold is now being viewed by the consumer as negative and stale. To The few true fans it's awesome but to those that bought the Wii last gen and probably experienced it for the first time or not experienced it in a long time it obviously left a bad taste. Not to mention pitiful support, no sport games etc.,
Even if you argue that the other consoles bring nothing new at least they are selling on a different planet compared to the Wii u.
Unless Nintendo seriously reinvigorate this "kiddie theme" or create another "genre" of gaming environment I see an impossible task.
Don't get me wrong, I respect Nintendo for doing their own thing and trying to be different but it is not working. It can work, I am sure. But they need to seriously revamp their ideas and from what I have gathered from Fusion and QoL or whatever, I do not think they have quite nailed it. Time will tell.
As for the new console, whenever it turns up, sooner rather than later I hope, it better be damn powerful or have a hyper gimmick like the wii mote.
If they come with a gimmick like the gamepad or release a console only slightly better than the current gen they have no chance and will just be digging a bigger hole than the one they are in.
It amazes me that some fans see it different but for me it is better to get out the business if you intend to throw money away for the next few years because you have it in the bank to throw away. Better off giving it charity.. or me.
@Hotfusion Wow dude cool your jets. I find it amusing that people think they know how all this works. LOL.
@Artie Dont listen to people like him. He thinks that everyone is wrong and he is always right. Heck I havent even been here for that long and already noticed that he seems to be the Shareholder type of guy that believes that he knows everything. He even tries to insult you to try and prove what he says. I am not saying we shouldnt worry about Nintendo but you shouldnt pay much attention to it well because its just people wanting to spout nonsense. Dont listen to him if he thinks that he can run the company all by himself he will realize its no that simple believe me.
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