Divinity: Original Sin 2 begins with your character, a 'Sourcerer', facing a pretty difficult decision when the ship transporting them to the Divine Order-controlled prison island of Fort Joy is attacked by a huge Voidwoken Kraken and left floundering. You fight your way to the upper deck and, upon arriving at the only lifeboat left seaworthy, are begged by a frightened child to return to the lower decks to help rescue any other survivors.
What should you do? We chose to ignore the child’s pleas and escape immediately. Terrible, right? Moments later, washed up on the golden shores of Fort Joy we come across another survivor of the wreck, the exiled Red Prince, who recognises us from the ship and calls us out on our cowardice. Upon apologising for our actions, he points out that there’s actually nothing to apologise for, choosing to escape was only natural after all, self-preservation is not a flaw or a weakness but an instinct, wouldn’t most others do the same?
And so it goes in Larian studios’ epic RPG adventure. Every choice that you make in the world of Rivellon is neither entirely right nor wrong. This is a world shaped by decisions made in the here and now. There are no real good guys or bad guys. Most everyone in this world has their own reasons for doing what they do, nothing is ever as straightforward as it seems and how you choose to act and connect with its inhabitants as this great story takes place all around you is the core element that makes this such a beguiling and engrossing RPG to play.
Originally released back in 2017, and later updated to this Definitive Edition which includes a raft of changes including a beefed-up tutorial area and reworked ending, Divinity: Original Sin 2 has, quite rightly, been lauded by critics as one of the finest RPGs ever made. Here is a game set in an endlessly fascinating, dark and conflicted world filled to the brim with interesting characters, exquisitely written quests, deep and satisfying combat and a level of flexibility – in terms of the rules which govern it, in terms of your character, the choices you make and people you surround yourself with as you strike out into Rivellon – that can easily see you throw hundreds of hours its way. And it’s all here on Switch, fully voice-acted, every nook and cranny included. A work of source magic, surely?
One of the biggest concerns we had when Larian’s epic was stealth-dropped onto Nintendo’s console during September’s rather impressive Direct presentation was how on earth they could ever fit this much content and detail onto a portable console. Big concessions would have to be made, yes? Well, no. Almost unbelievably, beyond a quite understandable drop in resolution and texture quality, this is Divinity: Original Sin 2 Definitive Edition running at a solid and dependable 30fps, with all content (besides local-co-op play) present and correct. Over the forty or so hours we’ve now spent with this edition we’ve encountered no bugs or framerate drops, there are no horrendously long loading times and – beyond the character creation screen, where the drop in texture detail and resolution are most apparent – the concessions that have been made in squeezing this huge game onto Switch do very little to affect how it plays or looks compared to its console and PC counterparts.
Speaking of PC, this version includes cross-save play with the Steam version of the game, so if you’re already several hundred hours deep into a playthrough on that platform you can easily transfer your progress over and keep playing on the go with your Switch, and vice versa. There's also a handful of mods thrown in, the highlight of which must surely be the ability to enable talking to animals from the get-go. Besides being a source of some surprisingly great quests, we heartily advise that being admonished in fine style by Sir Lora the cat at the outset of your adventure is well worth the effort of ticking the box alone.
In terms of controls, everything works surprisingly well here for a game with so many screens full of in-depth information and mechanics to deal with. Pressing ZR brings up an easy to use radial wheel where you can dive into your inventory, equipment, crafting, journal and skills, while a quick press of ZL and a directional button sees you quickly change the member of your party – if you even have a party – that you’re in control of. Searching areas for loot is made trivial by holding down the A button to perform a wide sweep of each and every nearby nook and cranny, and it’s only really in placing combat skills into your action bar or fiddling in your inventory where things can become a little annoying at times, especially in portable mode.
Using the left stick to manoeuvre your character around the screen – rather than the more traditional point-and-click controls perhaps expected from an RPG – manages to eschew much of what could have become fiddly in moment to moment gameplay, and rotating the camera or zooming out on the action with the right stick ensures that, even in the depths of the most ferocious of turn-based combat encounters, things remain surprisingly intuitive and easy to manage.
Away from the technical aspects of this port, Divinity: Original Sin 2 is just such a thoroughly absorbing game, the smallest area or most seemingly light-hearted of quests capable of sucking hours out of your life without you noticing. As the great conflict between Sourcerers and the Divine Order wages all around you, there's always something exciting to do or discover, some new way to interact with the characters that you meet or perhaps manipulate and play with the impressive physics engine that governs the world around you.
The cast of origin characters you can choose to play as or have join your party as you make your way across the world of Rivellon; the Red Prince, Sebille, Ifan, Fan, Lohse and Beast – these are all equally fascinating and entertaining. Fully voice-acted, they really are some of the great video game sidekicks and, alongside the constant sardonic wit of the game's narrator, ensure that your journey – a journey full of real emotional impact, properly dramatic highs and lows – is never anything short of constantly brilliant.
With a story mode difficulty now included for those who would rather not be slowed down by the deep and tactical combat on offer as they enjoy the unfolding drama, as well as excellent online co-op for up to four players, this is a game that caters to everyone; an enormous and generous package that it's genuinely hard to find any fault with.
Conclusion
From its opening moments upon a prison ship bound for Fort Joy to non-stop adventures that take you across the high seas to the Reaper’s Coast, Nameless Isle and beyond, Divinity: Original Sin 2 simply dazzles. In its seemingly endless parade of well-written characters, hilarious narration, deep and rewarding physics-based combat and the myriad ways in which it allows to you to engage and toy and with its systems, this is a truly epic RPG that revels in choice more than any other that’s come before it. It takes the old-school isometric style of Baldur’s Gate, layers it with an unparalleled level of attention to detail and fuses it with a thoroughly modern take on meaningful player decisions, resulting in one of the greatest role-playing games available on any platform; and it’s all here, present and correct on a portable console.
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Oof, my wallet... This is absolutely on my radar. I picked pillars of eternity over this on PC but wouldn't mind dipping into this on Switch.
What a great game. It's criminal that people weren't more excited about this after the last direct.
Just waiting for the inevitable physical release.
One of my favourite games.
@Xelha In the US it is only 49.99. Not full retail.
Great game! Glad I picked it up. Sooooo many builds I want to run!!!! Gonna require at least 3 plays I think - Druid Elf, Bloodmage Undead, and Dwarf Assassin
Physical release and I’m down.
@PJoreilly, reading the review the game seems like a 10. My question isn't facetious, I really want to know: How detached from an accurate description are most number scores on NL? The only "con" isn't even a real drawback?
Nice! Another must have! Oh gosh, so many...!
@aznable
Yeah it seems ridiculous.
Let me throw another con: "It's too good for its own good."
I logged in to ask the same thing — after reading the review, I was expecting a 10. What's the deducted point from?
This review confuses me.
@aznable
NintendoLife doesn’t give 10s anymore to 3rd party games (barring the token indie). The pendulum has swung too far in the other direction over what I can only surmise as being fear of accusations of bias, or perhaps it’s just subliminal personal bias against such games (whether they consciously realize this or not, it’s quite evident). Astral Chain deserved a 10, as it’s a better game than Bayonetta 2 which was showered with 10s across the board, yet somehow neither of them received their due from this site.
Divinity Original Sin 2 is one of the highest rated games of the generation (95 on PC, 94 on Switch) yet NintendoLife once again shows they have a no-10 policy for proper 3rd party games. Only 1st party and indies qualify for such an honor- Zelda, Mario, MarioKart, Splatoon and the occasional lucky indie (Celeste, Axiom Verge, which Axiom Verge is an 8 at best).
NintendoLife doesn’t believe in 10s for proper 3rd party titles. 9 is the best you’ll see no matter how good the game. And if any 3rd party Switch game deserved a 10 this generation, it’s Astral Chain and Divinity Original Sin 2.
I do not believe it is a purposeful conspiracy, but the data speaks for itself. Not one single 10 awarded to a proper 3rd party game this generation, despite 4 being awarded to 1st party and 2 being awarded to indies.
@aznable Honestly that's is just common for Nintendolife reviews. No matter how good the game is, if it isn't developed exclusively by Nintendo, any of the companies they own, or a company they've partnered with, then the maximum score the game will ever receive is a nine. I've noticed this with plenty of amazing indie experiences that many believe are a lot more memorable and enjoyable than a Nintendo developed game (e.g Splatoon 2). It's an annoying fact but it shouldn't take away from how much you enjoy a game, especially since opinions (including mine) can be very subjective
Not paying £45 will wait....I've too much on the plate this month.
@Abeedo exactly and some games are reviewed by people here who isn't really into that type of games. It should've been reviewed who is more into that type of games because you speak for the people who are into that type of games..it's kinda annoying to read reviews that they miss this and that... duh this is a typical classic rpg... well it's what it is. That's why don't let the score cloud your judgement. if you see a game and you like what you see go for it. Try it yourself
This is a brilliant game, absolutely loved oni PC, got it on switch and the port came out extremely well, a little blurry but nothing you’ll notice when playing
@JaxonH Astral Chain is co-owned by Nintendo. It is for all intents and purposes a first party title. It is also very deserving of the nine that NL gave it. It is my favorite game of the year and one of the best on Switch but there are definitely issues that keep it from being a ten.
I am throwing my money at the screen but still there is no physical version. What am I doing wrong?!?
@aznable I was thinking the same thing honestly. The review is soo kind to the game that it sounds like a 10, but it’s as if they only reserve 10s for Zelda, Mario or other first party Nintendo games
This is definitely one of those games that appeals to a specific demographic, but to those people it's fantastic. Personally I can't say that I share their interest.
Are people really complaining so much about whether a highly rated game should be a 9 or a 10?! Is this IGN?! Get a grip people.
If a person decides not to buy this game based on this review because it is a 9 rather than a 10 then they are a bloody idiot.
Enjoy your lizard sex main-quest.
Divinity 2 is a treasure had tons of fun with this game.
@SBandy Exactly, to me the difference between a 9 and a 10 is very minimal to begin with. Overall enjoyment is likely to be the exact same. Only difference is usually some small difference to put the game over the top - perfect audio/soundtrack, fan service, no frame/pacing issues.... ie comes down to flawless performance and/or artistic quality. Two things that enhance, but don’t make the game.
@JaxonH
Look I might even agree, but this shouldn't come as a surprise anyways - the site IS called NINTENDOLife.
@SBandy
I don’t see anyone “complaining”. I see people confused and inquiring as to the reasoning, but I don’t see any “complaining”.
Just because a 10 or a 9 doesn’t make much difference for one game, that doesn’t mean people don’t take notice that something is amiss when looking at the numbers. I don’t think anyone is concerned over whether this game gets a 10 or 9, the concern is the trustworthiness of the site as a whole as far as reviewing third-party games, as people are starting to realize that no matter how good a third-party game is on this site they absolutely refuse to award anything greater than 9. And that’s a valid observation based in facts.
Nobody’s being unreasonable that I can see.
I hate to admit that i still have to play the first divinity and also all the witcher games. I hope they make all three witchers for switch.
Double dip and loving every moments of my playthrough on handheld mode😊
@JaxonH
Come back to me with the last ten games awarded with a 10 out of 10 by this site and I will then agree or disagree with your thinking.
I am not saying you are wrong but I want to see some facts and the burden is on you as you made the accusation.
@Xylnox strongly have a feeling we may get witcher 2 but not sure about 1 though.
I've really come to enjoy and trust the reviews on Nintendo Life, and had a hard time waiting (I ended up buying it last week) to pull the trigger on this one before a review came up. I also expected a 10/10, seeing no flaws. But hey, sometimes you gotta read the article and not just use the numbers. Keep up the great coverage NL!
Just sitting here wondering whose something something one would have to suck for the game to get a 10/10.
I mean honestly. The text itself is a written short essay of how one would rate a game 10/10, and then you get to the numbers and it says 9/10, and you're like "Wait... What the... What?"
I went and reread the review and then went and looked at the score again. I even refreshed the page to look at the score again.
I still don't understand.
The text describes it as a 10/10 game with no cons, and the rating is a 9/10.
Why?
@SBandy I think he did in an earlier post. Zelda, Odyssey, Splatoon 2, Celeste, and Axiom Verge.
So do you guys recommend this over Pillars of Eternity?
To be honest this game in theory really deserves the 10. But it's not a game for all. I think a ten must a game, that you would recommend to anyone.
@the_beaver For sure
@Indielink
Cool, last ten will be better and
that is already 2 out of 5 being non Nintendo games.
Edit: Actually I checked his post "proper" third party games? What?
@Alucard83 It's kind of a flaw of these big review sites. You see the review as written by a website, not by an individual with specific tastes. I you want to get an idea of who has similar interests to you, it might make more sense to see what the staff is playing every weekend rather than taking their reviews into account.
@Xylnox Honestly, the stories of the first 2 Witchers are brilliant as usual but the gameplay, especially the first has aged HORRIBLY. The 2nd is a good game, not spectacular but the 3rd is maybe the best game this entire generation. What I'm saying is, playing the first two after 3 will probably disappoint you but it's maybe worth it just for the story alone. Other series are like that too, I played Yakuza Kiwami after 0 and it's a huge step down, despite Kiwami being a decent game.
I have witcher 3 for xbox one and PC but always got pulled away to other games. But now i will get witcher 3 for switch next month. I am a fan of nintendo ever since i got a NES at a young age. I ❤ Nintendo.
lol the automatons are at it again. Wurrrrr. Review incoming. Agenda confirmed. Reasoning: not high enough. Beep boop beep boop. Trash review. Get likes. End function.
Cons: character are too blurry also portrait of the characters are not sharp.
Bought game already because game is fantastic Good.
It read more like a 10, I've looked at other reviews and there are a lot of 10's out there, surprising as Nintendolife normally are quite generous with their scores.......... maybe it's just because it's not a Nintendo game🤷🏻♂️
@SBandy Checking Metacritic, NL has given out a number of tens for Switch games. Apparently Subsurface Circular being one of them.
Also a fun fact for those who slag off NL for overscoring games, apparently they score games roughly 10% lower than average. Also per Metacritic.
I wholeheartedly agree with every single poster here who is also confused about why this perfect 10 game is scored as a '9'. When I bought that buggy mess of a cash-grab port, Pillars of Eternity, what I really wanted was THIS game. This game is one of the best RPG games ever made. Not just on the Switch, but period for ANY System. A truly excellent game on every level.
@Indielink
I appreciate your reply but I have provided a specific request to JaxonH and if they cannot provide a reply then they have harmed their argument in my eyes.
@teixeiras I don’t think a 10 should require the game to be one you could recommend to anyone. That’d rule out most games and most genres of titles. Some of the most critically acclaimed games of all times will be in genres that aren’t universal in their appeal like strategy (including turn based - Civ comes to mind), RPG, simulators etc. I don’t think that should instantly prevent them getting a 10.
Such a rule probably means BotW would lose its 10 from this site among other titles too.
A 10 should be a title that’s at the top of its genre and is an exceptional title as far as gaming overall goes.
@SBandy
Your passive agreesive hostility is not appreciated.
As for your question, I just gave you the last 6, and everyone from the current generation. That should be more than sufficient. If you want more than that you’re free to do the research yourself. I’m sure if you go back enough years you will eventually find one, I’m not making the argument that they never in the history of video games have awarded a full third-party title a 10, i’m making the argument that they no longer do so. And when I can point out hard data that shows they haven’t awarded a single one on Switch all generation long going back 3 full years, it’s no longer me making the argument but the facts.
And the two that were not Nintendo titles were Indies, which I also specifically stated in my post. I said they don’t award proper 3rd party games (and no need for your silly quotation marks, you know good and well what I’m talking about, but I’ll go ahead and spell it out nonetheless- third party games that aren’t Indies). They‘ve awarded Indies that didn’t deserve it and haven’t awarded full third-party games that did.
The data shows a clear bias toward indies and a clear bias against full 3rd party games. I’m not going to criticize them awarding the first party titles because, in my opinion, those games deserved it and a lot of other outlets gave them the same score. So that’s fair. But there is a clear bias for indies and against proper, 3rd party releases.
And until I start seeing a change with the facts, the argument stands, irrespective of your personal approval.
@JaxonH
I am not asking for approval I am asking for facts and you haven't provided them.
The last ten 10 out of 10s. What are they?
Also why are indies less worthy than '"proper" third party games?!
I used to respect your views, less so now.
I almost feel like I should stop playing Pillars of Eternity to start this lol.
@JaxonH .
Also what '"proper" third party games do you think the Nintendo Life reviewers should have given a 10 to? Which means you are essentially telling us what games YOU think are 10 out of 10 games but how does that advance anything?!
Really it is just you having a yap that Nintendo Life hasn't agreed with you. Bit sad.
@SBandy Why the last 10 scores of 10/10? How about just the relevant ones - 10/10 for Switch or Switch eshop only. There are only 9:
Super Smash Bros.
Zelda BotW
Mario Maker 2
Odyssey
Mario Kart 8
Splatoon 2
Celeste
Axiom Verge
Subsurface Circular
I'm not going to say that any of those games don't deserve the 10, because that's a nice pack of excellent games. I will say that I find @JaxonH to be one of the most reasonable people on these boards, and it seems to me like his statements hold some weight. His statements and opinion certainly aren't unsubstantiated sniping even if I'm not sure I agree with his interpretation. Looking at the 9/10 reviews on this site, my conclusion is that NL is mostly stingy with their 10/10 scores for every third party (how did HOLLOW KNIGHT not get a 10/10?!)...except regarding Nintendo games which they are clearly biased towards, but the site is called NintendoLife so...
But really, your continued calls for him to show you the data, and your response to the other poster who wanted to enter the discussion that you wanted the numbers from JaxonH specifically, proved that you're not here to discuss the issue in good faith. You're here to fight. And quite frankly, observing the argument from the outside, you are being needlessly aggressive about it.
Having never heard of this game before my plan was to avoid it simply on the basis of a generic sounding name and the fact it was a sequel. Seems I may have been hasty.
I would love to check this game out. It looks great.
@NoxAeturnus
I simply asked for the last ten 10 out of 10 scores, you haven't even provided that.
How is what I am asking continued calls?!
I’ll wait for the physical version.
A Great game. You can just play this for hrs. Always something compelling to do. Co-op is also fantastic. People who love RPGs should check it out.
When gamers with multiple platforms said they had better things to play elsewhere than some mediocre rehash on their Switch. This is one of those games. It has been a $19 game (and physical) on PS4 for months
@SBandy You're rapidly approaching half a dozen times asking for data that doesn't matter. There have not been 10 games given a 10/10 on Switch or Switch eshop. Switch game reviews are the only relevant reviews for the last three years. Three years of data is enough to see a trend.
But here, to humor you, expanding the search to all the 10/10 scores from 2016-2019 for all systems adds the following games to the previous list:
Zelda Botw Wii-U
Metroid: Samus Returns 3DS
Pokemon Sun/Moon 3DS
Pokemon Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon 3DS.
Combined with my previous list, that's the last 13 games with a 10/10 score on this site. See a trend yet?
What’s porable?
Oh goodness. I want to but I can’t. September is destroying me. Maaaaybe next month.
@NoxAeturnus I'm fairly certain they're just here to troll; there's no soundness to their logic and instead of constructively assessing the merit of any argument on its face, they keep resorting to bad faith and logical fallacy. They're either unwilling or incapable. I'd just ignore them.
@Shazirah Oh they're definitely here to fight. I was just feeling punchy so I decided to oblige. I'm not worked up at all about it.
@NoxAeturnus Just going to insert myself BACK into this conversation. I suppose the next step in data collection would be to go through review scores and find the AAA third party games that "deserve," but haven't actually received a ten. But let's be serious, this game review that we are reading is arguably the only one.
Generally I do like Jax's comments and opinions but this one and a couple I have seen on other sites lately have been somewhat unsavoury.
I’ll make sure to pick it up on pc during a sale
Can anyone remember when they last had money? No me neither 😁
ps nintendolife really needs to start giving 10/10 scores to non Nintendo games
Just because there are no perceived flaws doesn't automatically make it a 10. Conversely, something can have a few flaws and still be a 10, like Breath of the Wild. If it doesn't feel like a 10 when you're playing it then it's not a 10, plain and simple. Being a critic means going by your gut, not using calculations, that would be a nightmare. Everyone taking scores literally are a bit obsessed I think.
@zionich
That's exactly what I did yesterday, even if it is too expensive for a digital game. But I'm still happy I bought it because for me Divinity is way better than PoE. It looks better and is more colorful. There are no bugs. It has co-op multiplayer. Now if only they would have released it physically right from the start. Give it a try, you'll love it!
I’m very interested in seeing what score The Witcher 3 gets....
@NoxAeturnus I'm right there with you, this bit of news is not getting the attention the deserve
@the_beaver Most definitely Pillars of Eternity is a bug ridden, broken game mess that the publisher and developer still haven’t released any patch. Their discord channel is alive with complaints that are just being fobbed off by their social media influencers. It’s the only game I’ve ever brought where I have contacted Nintendo EU with evidence of the game being unplayable demanding a refund and successfully received a refund with an acknowledgement from Nintendo that they are aware of the issue with Pillars of Eternity and they are watching it closely and in discussion with the publisher VsEvil.
Sorry about the long reply for an answer that is simply ‘Oh Yes’
@NoxAeturnus
Cheers, it does indeed look like Nintendo Life give more tens to Nintendo developed / published games.
And it does look like some clear favouritism going on.
Edit: But of course this all boils down to peoples opinions as JaxonH proved when their mask came off and in reality they were just huffing as this site disagreed with their views on various games. That is what I wanted to show and JaxonH complied.
I really have to question why this was rated a 9, when there is literally not any reason given for this being a perfect score.
I've seen a couple of arguments here like the game isn't for everyone, well I'm not particularly a fan of BoTW but does that mean I don't think it deserves a 10? Of course it does so that is such a mute and silly argument.
Honestly, I'm with the others here about Nintendo only getting 10s...if I didn't see some reasoned response from NL regarding their scoring policy regarding their games I will probably stop trusting their reviews and that is my favorite kind of journalism to read, so it might even push me away from the site. Consistency is very, very important. Integrity more so.
It’s not just the scoring. Even in terms of the coverage that games get there is a clear bias and favouritism to Nintendo games and franchises. I guess that’s partly to be expected given to it Nintendo site, but it annoys the hell out of me that a game as amazing as DOS2 is treated as an afterthought when you get countless Mario articles every single day, most of them being completely garbage and pointless (I mean topless Wario, really!).
You would think that given the recent past with the Wii U that Nintendo based sites would embrace the proliferation of third party games rather than treating them as second class citizens.
To touch on the point that 10/10 games should appeal to everyone, well sorry there are quite a few people who don’t like platformers or Mario. To say that a game should appeal to everyone to get 10/10 is quite subjective, you are never going to get a game that appeals to every single person — all games should be treated on an equal footing irrespective of first person and third person.
This game deserves a 10/10.
Yeah, I guess that kinda emphasises the point though . I love my switch and I’ve always been attracted to the portability aspect of it. There should be more emphasis on third party titles than there is because the more third party developers developing and releasing for the console the better rather than pushing them into a corner with a resounding meh sound and giving them as little coverage as possible simply because it’s not a first party Nintendo game.
Why do people always assume 10/10 means "perfect" and "flawless" and not whatever the word next to the score on a given site says it means? Numbers really need to be removed from review sites lmao, y'all arguing over a digit when the actual argument needs to be why this is "Excellent" rather than "Outstanding" in the eyes of the reviewer. Honestly one of my biggest gripes with numerical scores is how it turns the entire internet into a subconscious hive mind; I RARELY ever see people talk about what a given website's scores mean FOR THAT SITE.
Completely on board with giving NL the smackdown for biases but come on. Just because a game is without flaws does not immediately warrant said game a 10/10 from ANYONE. And just because a game has flaws does not immediately warrant anything less from anyone too. I find Breath of the Wild to be one of the most fundamentally flawed games not only in the LoZ franchise, but in Nintendo's major first party franchises in general. It was a "10/10" experience for me, and I personally judge games based on the experience and not how many boxes the title ticks. MAYBE (just maybe!) this is why PJ has opted for an "Excellent" rather than an "Outstanding". The numbers game removes so much nuance from games discussion and it really gets my panties in all kinds of twists.
Does the Switch game come with any of the lore books, soundtrack, or making of stuff? On GOG, for the same price, you also get all the extra stuff.
@Blizzia I 100% agree and am just as confused.
@Indielink I'm not arguing to go back and rescore a bunch of games. Scores are subjective. I can see DOS II as a 10/10, and I would be happy if BotW had received a 9/10. And really even the "miracle" ports haven't been perfect. Site called NintendoLife favors Nintendo games probably shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
The confusion with DOS II is that they don't seem to offer ANY criticism of the game, it's widely regarded as a great game, and the review reads extremely positively...so why does it fall short? The question isn't invalid, it's just not as important as some people want to make it out to be. I saw your comment that NL generally scores games lower than other places, which is something I appreciate because they do have a good critical eye and I highly enjoy reading their reviews because of it. They give a good sense of whether or not I'll like a game without over or under selling it, and that's what I want more than an assigned number. I feel that it's not that the 9/10s here deserve the 10, or the 10/10s don't deserve the 10. It's more like...excellent Nintendo games with minor flaws like MM2 are likely to fall on one side of that line while 3rd party games with minor flaws like DOS II will fall on the other side of the line. Either way, a 9 or 10 is a fantastic game worth paying attention to. I don't think the slight bias, though apparent, warrants bringing out the torches and pitchforks to burn everything down.
I really wanted to get this game on switch, but not having a local co-op option means I'm just going to get it on another platform.
"Best RPG of this generation! Flawless Switch port!"
9/10
¯\__(ツ)__/¯
Definitely agree the score should be 10/10, there's an obvious bias at play when it comes to 3rd party ports. Really though, still. 9/10 is an incredible score. As a general rule of thumb, I add an extra point to the numerical score if it's a third party game. For example if they give a third party game a 7/10, I always assume it's 8/10.
Really though, just read the words and ignore the numerical score. If it reads like a 10/10, then it's a 10/10. Whatever score they provide at the end doesn't matter.
I'll never understand Nintendo Bois. Y'all are the only ones that whine for physical releases. Does the shiny plastic really do it for y'all? I purchased a 512gb microSD last Cyber Monday on Amazon for 70$. I have like 50 some odd games right now wherever I take my Switch. TL;DR waiting for a potential physical release is moronic. Join reality already
@SBandy
And I’m not here to cater to your every research demand. If you want that research do it yourself.
And frankly, if you respecting someone’s view depends on them having the same opinion as you, then I never wanted your respect in the first place.
All I’ve done is point to the evidence and share my conclusion. Nothing more. The fact is, you should respect it regardless of whether you agree with it or come to the same conclusions. If you don’t, that says more about you than it does me.
And I said nothing of “worthiness”, only categorization. You’re now putting words in my mouth
@SBandy
Specifics don’t matter.
Statistics do.
When I can point to 6 10/10s that went to 1st party or indies, and 0 to full 3rd party games, there is a statistically significant difference. When you learn this then come talk to me. Of course when you do you’ll realize I’m right.
Regardless, I’m not asking you to “agree”. Frankly I don’t care what you believe. I’m simply expressing my view and explaining where it comes from. It seems you are incapable of accepting that. You want me to submit to your view. And I will do no such thing. My view stems from the facts, and FACTS are the only thing that will change my view. You have provided none.
What originally started as a passing observation has ballooned into a full-blown argument because you refuse to accept opinions that differ from your own. You refuse to respect opinions that differ from your own. I am not here to sway your mind. I am here to voice my opinion- whether you agree or disagree is irrelevant. If you wish to change my opinion you need to do it with statistical evidence. If you don’t have that, don’t bother responding.
@BootyMessiah
I prefer physical releases because, 1) Access to the game isn't controlled by a third-party who can revoke access at any time for any reason; 2) I can sell the game if I want; and 3) If I'm patient, I can buy my games used, often at a substantial discount.
Of course I realize your comment is more troll than an invitation for reasoned discussion, but those are my reasons.
@JaxonH
Jog on son.
Also indie third party games are just as proper as "full" third party games whatever the hell that means. Hollow Knight is an indie and one of the best game of the past decade.
I honestly don't care what you think but in truth all your posts in this topic can be summed up as "waaaah Nintendo Life doesn't score games how I want them to".
NoxAeturnus provided me with the last bunch of 10 out of 10s and it is undeniable that Nintendo Life gives more 10s for the first party Nintendo games and that is something Nintendo Life should look at but my original post was always about whether it be a 9 or a 10 it clearly signals an excellent game and yapping about it not being a ten is a bit pathetic.
@Mountain_Man I've never had downloaded content taken from me except when a games servers are shut down. GL finding used copies of the limited release runs some third parties do.
@SBandy
I’m not doing this. I told you I said nothing of “worthiness“, only categorization. Apparently your ears were full of wax though. Call it “proper”, call it full retail release, call it whatever you want but you’re arguing with thin air. Arguing over nothing. Over semantics. I clearly stated it was a matter of categorization yet you continue to argue over a point I never made. It's childish and frankly, I dont have the patience for such nonsense. Like talking to a brick wall.
I’m not doing this- my time could be better spent than arguing with little children on the Internet over things that don’t even matter. I've voiced my opinion, calmly and rationally, and provided the basis on which it stands. You have done nothing to counter what I said, only downplaying and mischaracterizing my posts to attempt to belittle my opinion into submission
You’re looking for an argument. Piss off before I just have to ignore you.
In fact, let me just go ahead and do that now. Later
@JaxonH
Breakdown the categorisation then for me as this is one you have made up yourself so it is unfair to expect me and others to know what you mean.
Also exlpain how your line here "They‘ve awarded Indies that didn’t deserve it and haven’t awarded full third-party games that did" can't be seen as anything other than you ranting how games were scored how you didn't want them to be.
There is only one child here, a petulant one at that, and it is not me.
People are arguing over the fact we gave a game 9/10? Now I've seen it all!
We don't hand out 10s lightly, and the fact that we've awarded 10s to Nintendo games has more to do with the fact that (gasp!) Nintendo games tend to be very, very good. For those saying we don't hand out 10s to non-first party stuff, did you read the Celeste and Axiom Verge reviews?
Seriously, a 9 is a glowing recommendation.
@NoxAeturnus I definitely DO NOT want to open up the can of worms that a re-review would entail. I only meant go back to find those games as a means of studying a potential bias. And even then, I don't think we have enough games that fall into the category of, "AAA third party that deserve a 10 but didn't," to actually establish that there is a bias that way. A bias in the form of leniency towards some Nintendo games is a little easier to prove (hello StarFox Zero.)
While NL does not mention many, almost none really, flaws in their review, there are a couple that I can point out from my time in the PS4 version of the game. 1) The menus can be incredibly fiddly, especially setting up abilities and hotkey items for battles and exploration. While not game breaking it is worth mentioning when much of the game is spent looking at menus. 2) The way that armor and magic defenses work results in a lot of potentially cool build ideas not working. I've been trying for a hot minute to get some kind of flame swordsman working to no avail. 3) And this last one is totally subjective (I didn't mind it) but the open endedness of the game can be off-putting. The freedom is amazing but the interweaving nature of a lot of the quests can make it really easy to accidentally break another quest or lock yourself out of something before you even know you've done so. My girlfriend was pumped to try out DOS2 and finally chucked the controller after like 2 hours cause she couldn't figure out what to do. The game is not beginner friendly.
I agree NL's reviews are generally very well written. This is usually one of the first sites I go to for review checking. I would really like to see NL move away from numbers or even something similar to what Eurogamer does and give badges to games that are exceptionally good.
Edit: woof I gave you a novel. Sorry.
@Damo "We don't hand out 10s lightly..."
Apparently not even when you can't name a single flaw in the game you're reviewing. This is why people are confused.
@Indielink Hey no worries about the novel, I deserve it after my long posts. I totally agree with your criticisms of DOS II having spent a lot of time with it on PS4 myself. And I feel your girlfriend's pain hardcore - it's so bad at teaching. I personally think 9/10 is appropriate based on those experiences, but that's not how the review reads. I can also see how people are confused by it, despite my personal views. But again, who cares? 9 or 10, the game is awesome.
@BootyMessiah "I've never had downloaded content taken from me except when a games servers are shut down."
Which is to say that it has never happened to you except when it has happened to you. The fact that it can happen at all bothers me.
@Tisteg80 That about sums up how I feel, I will just have to wait until payday!
For me it's a 9 because I can't couch coop which for me it's was the feature that first made me play back in 2017 on PC...a game that big that can be played together in these recent years? Count me in! So I did go for it and now I have almost 300 hours in...
Sorry, just seeing the argument on this now, game didn't get a 10 due to local co-op being missing from this version, should have made that a little clearer in the review, but there it is, not a biggie for some folk but defo something a portion of the audience were hoping to see included in this port.
Sounds good...and that art really takes me back to BG in it's prime! First I have to revist BG, Planescape, and IwD in December....THEN this should hopefully be on the deep sales one expects for it. I didn't really get along with the first Divinity...something felt "off" about it, but this one sounds quite a bit better!
the only things stoping me from buying this is the lack of physical release and the lack of local co-op.
Well crap, this sounds fantastic... but then again, "How will you ever find the time?" indeed. Into the perma-wish list it goes, I guess.
@NEStalgia Fun fact: Larian is developing Baldur's Gate 3 right now.
BTW this review doesn't mention the significantly downgraded graphics. Don't even think about playing this game in TV mode - it's horrible and you can actually count the giant pixels of e.g. fire and smoke effects. Very blurry textures and the perfomance tends to tank during combat. And playing an RPG like this with a controller is a chore, especially when it comes to inventory and skill management. Do yourselves a favor and play it on PC (every mid-range card from the last 5 years can handle this game in 1080p) if you can. Nonetheless, I'd still give it an 8 (10 for the PC version).
BTW: It's not a hardcore RPG, but quite hardcore compared to action RPGs like The Witcher 3. Some puzzles are real clouts, you can easily mess up your build and even kill potential future party members by offending them during a conversation. This game doesn't hold your hands and requires some actual thinking, but it's always rewarding and easily one of the best RPG experiences available today. And it's one of the very few games with great dialogue and humor plus some of the weirdest/craziest easter eggs and secrets you'll ever see in a video game. (I just met the "Matryoshka zombies" ...)
@Mountain_Man Yeah when an online game has it's servers shut down it doesn't matter if you have a cartridge dude.
They did a very good job porting this on the switch. PC RPGS are a different beast than your standard cosole games. Since this is a very highly rated RPG for the PC, porting it over to a console will always be a bit awkward, and this goes double for the Switch. Putting such massive PC RPG on a portable home console is quite a challenge. I'm sure they had lots of trouble with the layouts the interfaces, menus, controls, fonts, camera, etc. If any of these felt too out of place on a home handheld console it would break the game completely. They succeded in making a fine port while managing the Switches limitations and knocking out Most FPS and Bugs.
Though they did do a great job with the port, always keep in mind that you're essentially still buying a PC game on a console, and one that goes portable at that. Not to mention this game is very content heavy in almost every way, so it will feel awkward as you play at first. I can play this game like a pro on the PC without batting an eyelash however I died countless times at first because of the cluttered, claustrophobic feeling you get with a bunch of menus, options, and windows coming at you at once. They do give a small popup tutorial as you play through at first but they don't tell you much. If you're not an RPG/Strategy type gamer, you'll probably find this game quite difficult even on the easiest setting. It throws a lot of content at you at once while you're still trying to get used to the controls, context menus, player windows, etc. It could make you feel quite overwhelmed, especially as you're trying to wrap your head around the deep and in-depth content. I'm used to playing computer RPGs with heavy content, but only on computers. I tend to take a long while getting used to detailed control schemes. Maybe because I mostly use a mouse and keyboard, however even while using a familiar controller (handheld mode), to play a familiar game I ended up hitting the wrong buttons, bringing up the wrong screens, and ultimately end up killing myself. However, all this was expected when porting PC huge PC oriented games to home consoles and portable systems. I thought the game would end up more of a buggy mess, but it was very well done. I can tell the developers were very considerate and careful while porting this to the Switch since the balance was right where it should be. The context windows and text font can be small and blurry, but that too is expected when sizing down all of the game's dialogue and windows on such a screen. IMO, these types of games only feel completely perfect when running on what they were made to be on, but in this case, it turned out great.
Not to mention I hear companies refuse to put out games on the switch because the game "simply wouldn't fit", or because the console's hardware is lacking. Excuses like those no longer hold any weight with games like this and The Witcher 3 running perfectly fine. Many ports took content and quality hits due to the Switch's hardware, but when the game port is correctly optimized with care, it will turn out just fine. Unfortunately, many ports turn out awful due to what seems to be laziness, with the desire to make fast cash off their former games.
What a fantastic game. Larian is great studio and this game on switch is a match made in heaven. now I finally have the limited run release since yesterday, great packaging, DOS2 will be in my switch for a long time.....
I regret buying this game. The fact it has a higher score than DQXI on metacritic is absurd. The fact most people don't even complete this snorefest... I would give Divinity os2 4/10. It's a crashing, ugly and generic piece of soulless borefest. This is one of those rare games that are truly overrated.
I’ve had this game, for a couple of years, but only played a bit of it. Now that I have an Oled, I bet this game will look great!
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