Random: Some 3D All-Stars Players Aren't Happy About The Visible Debug Cubes In Super Mario Sunshine

Not a big deal, but it is kinda dumb. I care a lot more about the 30fps frame rate and lack of control options

Alright boys and girls. Here’s a little advice. There’s a global pandemic going on currently and this is very uncharted waters for Nintendo working from home. Perhaps they didn’t have time to polish this but a very likely reason Is because they rushed to make sure there was something for you to play this fall. I’m currently playing this and they all look and play amazingly. I’m amazed this game happened at all. So maybe just stop complaining for a minute and realize what’s going on in the world, sit back, take a breath, and enjoy these games.

It's almost as if Nintendo didnt even want to do publish this...

Awkward? Yes. Compelling me to waltz around with Dolphin and a phone/laptop instead of a Switch version? Yeah, right.

This collection is really a joke. Mario galaxy and super Mario 64 have both been available in the past on wii/wii u very cheap, only sunshine has been hard to get, yet they have ripped people off with this collection. How they chose not to include galaxy 2 is beyond belief, in reality they should have included 3D world too. Nintendo sure know how to milk their fans.

Oh yes. Absolutely irate about this thing that I've never noticed or seen in one level. Heads should roll. I will dedicate my life to making Nintendo pay for this. /sarcasm

I'm bored of all the 3D All Stars posts tbf. So many in space of a few days just for clicks.

Which one are you playing first? Etc...

Guessing 'Which one did you complete first?' will be next....

Then ' Do you regret buying 2 copies?'

Then when n64 launches next year 'Do you regret buying SM3DAS.'

Meh.

While it’s a small issue, it’s just one of many small issues in the collection. Don’t get me wrong, they’re 3 great games but there are so many terrible decisions and lack of polish, which is not what we expect from Nintendo.

@Snakesglowcaps “A delayed game is eventually good. A bad game is bad forever.” -Shigeru Miyamoto

The only problem I have with that 2nd screenshot is the level itself. That stupid rotating cube, combined with the camera and Mario's eagerness to slip off the sides that you can barely see. Sunshine is a really frustrating game for me.

I haven't made my way to Sunshine yet. I'm currently playing 64 and loving how HD it looks....

BUT I did notice that sometimes when doing a standard jump while running, Mario sounds way more high pitched than he used to. Did anyone else notice this?

Not something I care that much about, just sounds like he's been kicked in the sack as he jumps.

I'm not sure this discovery changes anyone's general impression of the collection, whether they were content or disappointed.

By the time I get to Sunshine I suppose this will be patched, but this kind of thing is absolutely unacceptable.

It's like the boom mic appearing in the shot of a movie or TV show.

It’s a lazy package altogether! The IGN podcast NVC states it very well this week. The decision to not include anything in the package.. a manual, photos, anything... on top of absolutely nothing to the games itself is why I am not paying for any of it.
It’s a lazy drop due to their obvious quarantine delays... they’ve got nothing for fall/winter it seems.
If you had anything, you’d want to show the public now before they spend all their money on the new gem systems coming out...

@SigourneyBeaver This is nothing to do with your comment - which I didn't read. I just saw your username and had a little giggle to myself. SigourneyBeaver! Brilliant - I just had to tip my hat to you - thank you for that
Maybe that was Sigourney's name in her alternative career

I don't really care about these cubes showing up. There's much more bigger issues to be concerned with than some shotty ports or remasters or whatever.

@brunojenso Nice Beaver!

(Thanks, I just had it stuffed).

Nintendo fans are mad when Nintendo put too much resource on ports rather than new games. Nintendo fans are mad when Nintendo doesn’t put enough resources on the ports.

Of course they took the easiest route to getting these games running on the console. It’d be a poor business decision if they didn’t.

It may be too expensive for what it is... but it’s only too expensive if people don’t buy it. I guess we will see in the charts

@noobish_hat "Are you telling me they were still able to get entire brand new games out the door, but they couldn't fix a simple glitch like this?"

Yes. It's equivalent to finishing a paper for school and not having enough time to proofread the last paragraph. I do think they should've delayed the release though. I'm assuming they didn't have enough time to properly test/polish the games.

Having fun with the All Stars Collection so far, It's cool seeing Galaxy portable. I do find myself wishing they were fully remastered from time to time but they're still solid games today.

@Snakesglowcaps finally someone with a hint of wisdom

Another day another outrage. It's outrageous.

IT'S NOT PERFECT! BURN THEM AT THE STAKE!!!

And burn me too, since I have not had any issues with this collection and quite like it! Which makes me a stupid fan boy or sheeple or whatever other insult you wanna label me for not being outraged.

Ohh so now we are entering the “complain like a b***h for clicks” generation era

That better be gone in the next update.

Man, Nintendo really did half-ass this "All-Stars". What a way down from the amazing achievement that was the original All-Stars on SNES (all 4 of the home console Mario platformers up to that point included, all with complete graphical overalls and updated music, any obvious glitches fixed, a nicely presented menu and full colour manual). But, hey, they'll probably patch out their shoddy work in the near future and wipe all the sins from history.

I am really struggling to see why this is a big deal.

And I also don't see how wanting to release games that are very similar to how they were originally released is lazy when it is the point of the collection.

I knew they were being lazy with this collection but wow!

All I have to say is there is a pandemic and something as absolutely minor as this should not be a reason to get mad at nintendo, nor is them being "lazy" a reason to be mad as well. To be honest this is not meant to be a big budget project but a ace up their sleeve for covid. They ported these on switch for a cheap way to play great games on new hardware in hd. This may not be what we wanted but the fact it exists is enough because the only reason people are disappointed is because they believes the rumors about the complete remakes and such. This is obviously just to help them because of software delays and it does the job. This is a great collection that deserves less hatred because it is literally SUPPOSED to be a lazy port. This is obviously the only thing they could do to replace missing games from 2020 (metroid prime 4, etc.). Its worth the money and mostly bug free people need to stop acting like this isn't a extra nice VC release because its mario. There biggest mistake was naming it all stars IMO.

As usual, people try to find the smallest issues about new Nintendo releases and try to make some "controversy" about it. 🙄

Not as lazy as these seemingly endless nothingburger “articles” and rehashed comments.

Moving platforms on visible rails? I’ve never seen that in a Mario game before. This is an outrage!

Haven't gotten to sunshine yet, but is this effecting everyone or is this another issue that is only effecting custom firmware switches? Thought the news about crashes the other day was rather funny when we all learned what was causing it.

@Snakesglowcaps Bingo.

@lighteningbolt79 It’s a big deal because “gamers” prefer to spend more time complaining about games than actually playing them. As if raging/complaining is itself a game.

@everynowandben are you insinuating these three masterpieces are bad games? Hahahahahahah
(deeplyinhales)BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHHAHAHA(faints,regains consciousness)BAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!

@Snakesglowcaps Of course not, but they are bad ports

Edit: Well, maybe not bad ports, but ports of a lesser than expected quality, and ports that could seemingly be of a higher quality with a bit more effort

I haven't gotten around to seriously playing Sunshine yet so I don't know how bad the problem actually is, but it sounds like just more typical internet outrage culture nonsense. For those mentioning the pandemic (not to mention the wildfires in the US), I think that may actually be partly why we're seeing so much of the "outrage". People are stressed out to the max right now and even little things are probably setting them off. At least that's how I'm choosing to look at it. I don't even think the guys who found this intended for anyone to be angry and just thought it was interesting, if the article itself is any indication.

Like I said though I don't know how widespread the problem is in Sunshine. If this is present in every secret platforming level then I can see the reason for the frustration, but judging by everything I've seen about this game thus far, I'm assuming this is a minor thing that rarely even shows up.

On the other hand I do agree that more effort could have/should have been spent on the collection, but Nintendo likely has bigger priorities right now what with Prime 4, Age of Calamity, BotW2, etc all being worked out. I've always assumed this was simply something Nintendo threw together at the last minute to celebrate Mario's 35th anniversary and fill in the dead months with no major releases. I wouldn't be surprised if Mario 64 itself was a late inclusion due to the lack of 1080p or widescreen.

With all that being said though I'm absolutely loving my romp through Mario 64 and what little I saw of Sunshine and Galaxy was fantastic. Sunshine in particular almost looks like a brand new game and the lack of forced waggle in Galaxy is simply lovely. The package most certainly could be better but it is what it is. Outside of emulation and homebrew this is probably the best way to enjoy these games right now. Mario 64 looks far sharper than it does on an UltraHDMI modded N64 and the Pro controller (for me at least) is 100 times more comfortable than an N64 controller. I found the controls in Sunshine and Galaxy were greatly improved as well so for me this is a great looking and playing collection.

@everynowandben

The best part is 99% of these complainers wouldnt know the difference if they werent online rehashing “analysis” video talking points.

Everyone and their mother are now port and emulation experts. Who knew the world was flooded with these specialists?

In a perfectly normal way, I am happy to spend £50 on 3 old games I know I’ll play to death, than £50 on a game I hope I’ll play to death.

I think we are the only entertainment business that judges the value of the product based on how much they spent making it, rather than how much enjoyment we get out of it. I don’t refuse to pay the full cinema price for an art house movie just because it didn’t have as many people making it as an Avengers

It sucks, but it the grand scheme of things it’s not a big deal and will likely be resolved in an update..

On a certain level things like this do make you wonder if perhaps expectations of quality have begun to change under the new leadership at Nintendo since Mr. Iwata passed away. Look at the eShop and its weekly mountain of indie garbage that replaced the Virtual Console (and on that subject, Nintendo's spotty support for Switch Online and its library of NES and SNES games). Read between the lines and it appears that everything may not be rosy in Kyoto.

@everynowandben any other day I’d agree with you. But it’s a pandemic man. They have no choice. What would you rather? Nintendo release nothing? Or make zero money during these months? Cause that just means Nintendo doesn’t flourish which means your favourite gaming company eventually goes away. It’s a pandemic once again, they did what they could.

As long as fanboys keep dishing out money Nintendo will keep releasing subpar games. How long has the Switch been out and we still don't have virtual console? Look at how the Pokemon game came out and they still selling new DLC. All the games you had on Wii, Wii U, 3DS you still have to buy over and over again. Animal Crossing was fine at release because everything that came after was free. Nintendo use to release games at a cheaper price but raised them during the Wii U era. Please be vocal do not let Nintendo continue to take advantage of consumers just because there games are only available through them.

Look the way I see it is it’s 3 games that cost £50 they have been released time and time again so a few issues get highlighted very easily. But the bottom line is if you hate it, sell it and you’ll probably get your £50 or more, cuz Nintendo games hold there value well.

Cool, now back to playing and enjoying these Mario games

If this is the sort of thing that upsets people, I truly envy them. I'd love my own life to be so utterly perfect that debug cubes were the one and/or only thing I needed to complain about.

It's understandable that quality control is harder to coordinate this year, but for them to rush it out in September instead of taking extra time like they are doing with 3D World just gives Nintendo a bad look, especially when they build part of their brand value on trust in quality.

October is Pikmin, and November is Age of Calamity, so it makes me wonder what Nintendo is releasing in December that they had to release 3D All-Stars in September...

@Snakesglowcaps You may be right. To be clear, I don't think any of the complaints against this game collection are a big deal whatsoever. However, I would much rather see Mario get the respect he deserves, even if that means the game comes out next year. As several people pointed out, if they're going to make the same amount of money regardless how much effort they put in, why put in more effort? And that makes sense in the short run, but in the long run, quality will only continue to decrease. In 20 years, I don't want to see Mario where Sonic is today.

@Jmjfrank That's a change the Shindou Pak version made

The games aren’t sub-par. They’re not lazy. It’s a basic job, yes. And they charge a lot for it. But it’s up to consumers to judge whether it’s worth the money... and I suspect because it’s 3 of the greatest games ever, people will pay for it.

I find the quality control idea mad. The quality of Nintendo’s games this generation has been amazing. The Wii U ports haven’t replaced anything, all they’ve done is plug the gaps in the schedule. If there wasn’t Pikmin 3 in October, it isn’t that you’d have got Pikmin 4 instead... you would have just got nothing.

For a console as consistently good as the Switch, I find some of the aggressive comments baffling. I guess it highlights just how people are passionate about their Switch

Am I the only one that liked the debug cubes. They acted like a nice guide to things were moving. Sorta like the the dotted lines that platforms would follow in other mario games.

@Zeropulse

You're not. That's the problem. The cubes match the art style well enough that they could just leave them in. They kinda look like they always belonged there. They helped the developers understand the travel paths and they serve the same function to gamers.

As for being emulated, of course. What insane person would re-implement each game from each system individually for no reason. There's a reason emulators exist. They emulate hardware that doesn't exist. The people saying it's easy or lazy are also the people who couldn't code a tic tac toe game let alone an emulator. I just hope they pop out a quality 3DS emulator.

@Yas Classic

Lazy Nintendo releasing games they made from scratch, running on emulators they made with updates they made, on a console they made all whilst making other games, naughty lazy Nintendo

Lazy? Pahaha! What?

Sure there are some things that may need patching here and there in a fine tuning kind of way (eg. touchscreen aiming and starbits shooting on SMG) but it is a brilliant collection of games. Sunshine feels significantly better to me overall. "Sorry".

I don't necessarily care, BUT details like that do show how little care was put into this collection. I perfectly content with it as is, but it is definitely lazy, and wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that it was thrown together in an afternoon.

Also worth noting, if this is Nintendo at their laziest, we don't have it too bad

The whole Mario 3d All Stars anniversary game and the hype surrounding it rounds off a rather negative year for Nintendo. The three Mario games, at best Nintendo have just done enough, but with no cause for celebrating.

@LEGEND_MARIOID sarcasm is a difficult concept to master

Also just did this level myself and didn’t think about whether they were there or not in the original release, because I assumed they were intentional. Actually made the stage easier, as it helped me to know where the platforms were going lol

I haven’t got round to sunshine yet but loving Mario 64 so far it looks great 👍

All of 2020 is a sign of Nintendo being lazy.

From all the VC games I've played, this is a pretty big offense, and I've seen my share of bugs, the SMW GBA port on Wii U had a black box show up every time a new level is unlocked, it blended into the BG but was still pretty distracting especially on the white backgrounds in Star World.

One of the MegaMan GB games on 3DS VC has an effect that dims the screen on the intro sequence, if you skip the intro by pressing start the game continues to play with the screen super dark and near unplayable until you reset.

@AtlanteanMan ?? Are you nuts dude? In Iwata's leadership there was tons of garbage on the Wii and Wii U shop. Plus, VC died already on his own leadership. Don't forget that the entire switch and all of it were made under him, so the following presidents only followed on his ternure. Mobile, Parks, expansion and the Switch all came and were developed under Iwata ternure.

@Slowdive No, they didn't. This is a rumor that has absolutely no proof whatsoever.

So this should bring down the price on eBay right?

@Ulysses They don't need to release anything in december. Most companies don't release anything on that period, including Nintendo.

@Slowdive go figure March was when work began...right about the time Nintendo went dead silent. Right about the time the pandemic started. Right about the time everyone started acting entitled during a global pandemic. Right about the time everyone said defending something is making excuses? Don’t play the game. No ones forcing you. Lots of people are enjoying it. Meanwhile you just come across like a whiny entitled adolescent.

@Snakesglowcaps yeah that's still no excuse when talking about emulated games.

I'm more bothered by the fact that they changed the camera controls and there is no option to use the original inverted controls.

That and the lack of gamecube controller support.

Got this shine last night, and thought it was an upgrade to show you the block paths. I was like "oh that's a nice addition". 😂. Oh well.

@Slowdive for real. Tired of ppl using the pandemic as an excuse when other companies do stuff

@Snakesglowcaps em, how about, don’t charge a premium price point on a half baked product, take the hit with the price if it has been produced under suboptimal conditions - yes it’s a pandemic, and actually my money is scarce as a result, so maybe Nintendo should have priced this relative to its quality and not did everyone over like they always seem to be doing.

This doesn't bother me too much, although the level itself is frustrating. There is stuff I wish they'd done, like a download code to the music, or booklet to accompany the release, but this will likely be patched it. Sunshine is the only one of the three I've not 100% completed in the past. Maybe this time! Maybe.

@Slowdive meanwhile Sony is charging almost full retail for a 10 hour Spider-Man game That was probably dlc on a $600 machine but everyone’s gobbling that’s nonsense up. You probably shouldn’t continue the conversation cause you’ll never prove you aren’t just whining as you continue to whine. The ports look great. Sorry they don’t stack up against illegal ports? That’s so ridiculous. And the pandemic has really impacted the gaming industry. I’m sure tons more work would have went into it had the situation been different. But instead they focused on optimizing it and getting it out there for Mario’s anniversary. I promise you the inevitable Zelda version will be much better with more extras and effort put in because they won’t be strained.

@Slowdive That's literally what a rumor means. The person who came up with this don't have any past insider info. Trusting random people on things like that even more when the guy has no track is crazy.

@everynowandben So yes, bad ports.

@jamesm $20 a piece?!! So say it was on the eShop at $20 a piece!? You’d buy it and you know it. Seriously quit crying and just don’t buy it and move on. Bs hate culture is getting old.

Software developer here: work from home during the pandemic actually has caused SPIKES and INCREASES in productivity. It seems pretty consistent in the software dev community. While it may not be sustainable, it’s what we have consistently seen since wfh started in March everywhere.

So before you give excuses about the pandemic, note that the actual dev stuff has become more productive, not less, during this pandemic.

@ComicVoice nice income the liars. Nintendo is well known for not having a work at home environment. They’re extremely protective of their assets. I’m sure it was a very big adjustment for them. If they even chose to adjust early like other devs. Even if you aren’t full of crap, which you are, your statement wouldn’t even apply to Nintendo or anyone outside of your circle, which is fake.

@Snakesglowcaps such a blind fan boy!

I just didn’t notice the cubes as I speeded through

@jamesm I’m not even a fan boy. I just think you’re all being unreasonably whiny about nothing. Much worse ***** is done in gaming. Micro transactions, anything EA, Rockstar or Ubisoft do. Nintendo gets you a great comp for September and Mario’s anniversary rather than just skipping it altogether and all they get is this blubbering backlash. It just seems entitled to me. But whatever let’s all agree to disagree.

Also would like to point out people who are having issues with the collection are being narrowed down as people with hacked switches. Which I think is ironic justice.

Glad to see I'm not crazy.

Noticed them in a video before the release and I was so confused on how I didn't see them while playing the gamecube version. No wonder I missed them if they are invisible, mistery solved XD

@Snakesglowcaps I was "like" 39...well said..

Way to reward all of the hard work Nintendo put into this collection by buying multiple copies, you sheep 😂

@Snakesglowcaps I’m not entitled, Nintendo appear to think they’re entitled to 50 quid of my money by flogging me three ports which are not even optimally running on their new system. In fact it seems they run better in their parent system. Anyway, yes, agree to disagree.

@jamesm how would you know if you didn’t buy it? Hacked switches are having issues. I actually kind of wonder if digital foundry was even accurate since they’ve openly admitted to using hacked switches in the past.

They complain about everything I have some problems with the game like Sunshine being 30fps and the limited release but you complain about THIS!?!?

@Snakesglowcaps wait what? No, it’s actually quite true that software dev has become more productive (in many companies, including Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc).

There’s a lot of studies on it. The main reasons include fewer “work distractions”, but the main reason the studies are pointing to is that people are ending up working longer hours since the work is “just there”. There’s no physical separation between work and personal life that there once was.

Hardware is a different story (until techs could get into their labs it was slowed down) but software has definitely seen an uptick in productivity in the mass work from home situation.

Look I’ll admit I feel very strongly about this point. I do genuinely think that people are being very hard on Nintendo and negative about the game. This is usually a great community of people and I’d rather just leave it be before I become the bad guy. I respect your opinion if it differs from mine but let’s all just agree to disagree.

It’s ironic Miyamoto would say he’d rather release a complete game later than a rushed game on time, or something to that effect. This is his baby. On one hand I can see a pandemic has put a halt to production and for Mario’s anniversary they wanted this out on time but also for their company mascot I’d expect more care to be poured into this. It’s selling and I’m sure they knew it’d be a hit but it’s a shame this wasn’t given more attention. I’m still happy I got it but for this release, it should’ve been more.

How do we know they didn't leave them in on purpose because it makes the level easier to play since you can see the path?

This being my first time playing Sunshine, I didn't think anything of it. It's very common for Mario games to use dotted lines like that to mark the path a platform will take, so I thought it was intentional. It's nothing to get worked up over, whether intentional or not.

"Nintendo fans complain about the tiniest of things"
The sky is blue
Water is wet

What a shameless cash grab this has turned out to be.

I always felt that this collection wasn’t planned at all. I think a sonic the hedgehog movie moment happened with the remake rumors going crazy all year. If they did nothing, it was going to look bad. They rushed this collection out and it shows. If this was planned originally, the intro wouldn’t last two seconds and the menu would look cleaner. I’m happy it exists but I don’t think they originally cared to do it.

@Deanster101 to think they want money for something they’re selling. Something tells me you’d be unhappy if it was free. HOW COULD NINTENDO DO THIS!!!?

Lazy? Didn't Nintendo build the emulator these games run on? You'd think people had never seen a bug in a video game before.
This is just as bad as the Sword and Shield complaints of Nintendo not working hard enough, it's so rude.
They aren't your fking contractors guys, they don't send you a timesheet, get over yourselves

I was literally just playing this level and I wondered why the heck they’d added those boxes, well now I know why. After the horrid camera control inversion in 64 I’m not surprised to find they’ve not emulated the GameCube properly.

@noobish_hat

Yes, I did read the article. I just don't care about an incredibly minor thing.

I'll be brutally honest, as someone who hadn't played Sunshine very much before - I thought they were supposed to be there.

Still, they should probably fix that.

@Snakesglowcaps Asking Nintendo fans to stop complaining and think about the current situation?

https://youtu.be/EIWHvPP0U64

A bit embarrassing by Nintendo standards, but I'm enjoying the games so much that is hard to be mad. The only real disappointment about the collection for me is the lack of love put into the extras. I was expecting a bit of Nintendo magic with the menus and extra info or artwork. Or something like Galaxy 2 being unlocked after 100%ing Galaxy 1.

There's no denying that they've cashed in a few faith chips with this one.

@Pigeon I don’t give a ***** about the other idiots responses. There is a fu**ing pandemic going on and Nintendo is huge company. Not a single person, a company. They have to care for everyone there while making games. Think before you pull something out of ass next time. Thanks.

The decision to not include anything in the package.. a manual, photos, anything... on top of absolutely nothing to the games itself is why I am not paying for any of it.

@TimboSlice This seems a fair point. The SNK 30th Anniversary Collection, for example, includes a museum feature I very much appreciate. The menu theme for that title, and for the recent Sega Genesis Mini (the latter composed by Yuzo Koshiro), display some care and attention.

It’s a lazy drop due to their obvious quarantine delays... they’ve got nothing for fall/winter it seems.

You lose me here. I can imagine that Nintendo (of America) cares nothing for fan criticisms when they have to wade through emotional, false comments like this latter one.

@Snakesglowcaps I could literally put some roms and emulators on an SD card in 20 minutes that don’t have any of these issues.

It’s just Nintendo being lazy, and their consumers allowing it.

Another day another outrage. It's outrageous.

@rallydefault Thank you. I mean, this is infinitely better than Kotaku or Polygon, but truly you are correct. It does seem like a cheap tactic at times.

EDIT:

For those mentioning the pandemic (not to mention the wildfires in the US), I think that may actually be partly why we're seeing so much of the "outrage". People are stressed out to the max right now and even little things are probably setting them off.

@Onion Those wildfires were shocking in their scope - for four consecutive nights, the stars were dimmed here in eastern Canada, ~3000 km from the furthest blazes!
Unfortunately, I cannot agree that 2020 is the cause of the outrage cycle. Stoking rage is a tactic used by every kind of mass media these days. I suppose NL is a benign example, but the New York Times and Fox News (just two examples) have elevated it to a very dangerous art. How often do you see articles discussing why we enjoyed a game, or praise for something clever and innovative? Something to think about... it's a human failing, I suppose.

Yeah, this is pretty lazy. I know they are working from home, but I've seen better fan emulation sand ports.

I’m sure they’ll patch it before March

We should all stop officially referencing the "Nintendo Seal of Quality." That has not been a thing for the Switch. Between the awful 3rd party ports, questionable eshop games, hardware issues and minimal efforts in Deluxe editions...like those Seal days are gone. They aren't EA bad, but making small steps toward it. Imagine any other company putting a limited timed release on a game (digital even) and the amount of backlash they get. Slowly getting disgusted with them as a company.

Some people just get pretend mad because it’s the “cool” thing to do ... it’s just a videogame

Here I am thinking "ah thank you Nintendo for putting those guidance cubes so I know the pattern of these platforms" only to find out it's a debug cube I'm never meant to see lol.

It's funny how in perspective yes it's silly this got through QA but it doesn't detract from the overall experience (for some lol...).

@popey1980 Don't think it's that big of a deal, but when placed within context...some people are using this as a rallying point for discussion. Also, what other industry do we have fans like you crapping on people because someone has a complaint about the quality of said product they purchased for 60 bucks? Imagine getting a Bluray of something and they left the old work in progress VFX for a scene.

Nintendo fanboys(any console fanboy for that matter) really are something else, aren't they?
Oooo some cubes which don't affect you in any way, lets jump on the hate bandwagon cuz that's cool!
To play fair: One issue I noticed was during some cutscenes, specifially when you first get F.L.U.D.D . When he explains which buttons you should press they abrubtly cut off a piece of that voice over.

@Snakesglowcaps Look at all these corporate clowns, defending Nintendo. Never gets old, I’ll just be grabbing my popcorn.

for real. Tired of ppl using the pandemic as an excuse when other companies do stuff

@PickledKong64 Tell us, champ, what have you been doing during the pandemic? What has your output been? Driving a bus? Stacking groceries? Set the example.

@popey1980 Yeah, to kids who are spending their parents money, it’s just a video game. To someone else spending $60, that should at the very least get them a polished, working product. Especially from Nintendo. Nintendo keeps asking us to buy in, then they keep dropping the ball on delivery. I’m honestly tired of giving them money.

My only gripe is they used the n64 version of mario 64 when I personally prefer the ds version.

@PickledKong64 Exactly. I lost my job due to the pandemic, permanently (just found out) so I made my own job lol. It’s not so bad when you actually adapt to your surroundings.

Software developer here: work from home during the pandemic actually has caused SPIKES and INCREASES in productivity. It seems pretty consistent in the software dev community. While it may not be sustainable, it’s what we have consistently seen since wfh started in March everywhere.

@ComicVoice You do know about Japanese stamp culture, right?

Questions for you: in the current situation, what happens when your progress is blocked as you wait for someone's else work to be finished? Do you miss the ability to just crane your neck or walk down the hall to ask someone a question? And... do you have kids? I have heard otherwise from parents. (My questions aren't angry - I'm curious.)

The Emulation from Sunshine isn't perfect anyways. Some graphical glitches & slight stutters are always present (missing mirroring inside the flood whater when using the hover mode for example) ....

honestly, i also tried the game on dolphin (since i also own the OG sunshine gamecube version) and the gamecube version on dolphin runs absolutely perfekt. no stutters, whatsoever, the switch version ... when turning the camera in levels or delphino island, there is always a kind of stutter visible.

galaxy on the other side, runs perfect and mario 64 - of course ... even a calculator nowdays could run mario 64 ;P

@COVIDberry Not gonna lie, no need to tear into him so hard. While it’s true that a company like Nintendo needs to step up and adapt, it’s also valid to point out when they fail to do so.

I think the main reason people are upset over something like this, is because it's not what we consider "classic Nintendo." The Nintendo I grew up on was known as the company that put the finishing touches on their products, and didn't leave all these unwanted blemishes on the experiences. From joy-con to 3D Mario, it seems like they can't get on top of the usual polished feel that Nintendo is known for.

I think that would upset anybody that spent $60 on something that they can't refund. Step up to the plate, Nintendo. Your livelihood and client retention depend on it. Not everyone is drooling, waiting for "pokemon," "direct," "Metroid." Some of us are thinking, alive, and breathing and aware of the lack of polish. Step it up!

when I saw the mario 64 in 4:3 I couldn't stop thinking this was not a well spend game. I just hope the other two games, clean this feeling

They looked like path indicators in the secret level, so I figured they wanted to make this version a little easier. That's not something I was going to be upset over.

This place just ain't fun no more.

@TG16_IS_BAE honestly, even the "old" nintendo had a lot of problems. back in the snes days - WITHOUT bad treatment, so many snes controllers gone bad in a short time period (l & r buttons got stuck or just did not recognise button presses anymore - that drove me crazy in the spider-levels in donkey kong country 2).

also my 2 "original" nintendo DS consoles, had bad left speakers (crackling noises at louder volume settings) - nintendo 64 - bad quality control sticks and and and .... same for 2 of my 3 gba consoles (weird speakers which weren't built in correctly)

never had such quality issues with a sega console (master system, game gear, 32x, mega drive, mega cd, saturn or dreamcast ....)

@COVIDberry Wait... what I’m saying is that the likely explanation for releasing this with no added features or bonuses might be due to COVID and them not being able to put in effort to do anything more... I’m HOPING that’s the reason. I don’t want to think it’s because that’s what they really wanted to produce....

Is this why we never got Gamecube games? Because of glitchy emulation even 18 years later?

No quality control for a release like this? Any playtester would have discovered this graphic bug immediately!

I hope they fix this and add Gamecube Controller support while they're at it.

Nintendo's quality control is all over the place. For example Paper Mario: The Origami King is such a perfect and polished game from start to finish. Not a single issue, no bugs or flaws. Absolutely wonderful quality. Luigi's Mansion 3 however can softlock, and has a couple of ugly bugs as well that they never seem to fix.

@Dang69 Exactly. If a film accidentally left in unfinished special effects in one scene, or there were very visible boom mics or cameras, people would be all over it, and you wouldn't get people saying "oh well you should be grateful to the studio for making the movie at all!"

Very odd emotional attachments people have to these corporations because they grew up with their products as children.

@eRaz0r Honestly, it's been so long that I forgot some of those issues. Especially the N64 sticks. Thanks for reminding me that Nintendo has been dropping the ball for 3 decades LMAO

@Snakesglowcaps Love it, sensible thinking 👍

@eRaz0r Speaking of back in the SNES days, look at how much love they put into the original Super Mario All-Stars. They completely remade and updated 4 whole games, including one that never previously was available in North America. I was definitely never expecting the new collection to be 4 completely remade games, obviously that is a lot to ask (in 2020 especially), but I would have appreciated each game at 1080p, widescreen, 60fps, and multiple/adjustable/accessible control setups.

The collection doesn't suck, don't get me wrong, it just deserved more love than it got.

@Snakesglowcaps You’re absolutely right, so much adolescent-style entitlement here. Don’t let their haranguing put you off - yours is a genuinely decent counter argument.

@everynowandben yeah, they've rushed out that compilation on switch. that for sure - but that they even left the debug cubes in sunshine ...ouch.

nothing is wrong with emulation, when it is done right, but those framerate issues and graphical glitches in sunshine ....thats a nogo for 60bucks :/

but ...even when gamecube had slightly weaker hardware than wii - even on dolphin, gamecube has more problems than wii.. that might be the reason why galaxy runs perfect on switch, sunshine don't

they should have hired M2 to do the emulation

@TimboSlice age of calamity is coming in november along possibly doom eternal and dont forget unannounce titles for the remaining months of 2020 from next directs.

@SigourneyBeaver Or someone leaving their Starbucks on the set of a fantasy tv show

its not like nintendo is aware of some of these issues which can be patch up right away but give them a break for petes sake were in a middle of a health crisis.So much entitlement selfish gamers these days.

lol, I really can't understand the extraordinary levels of complaints toward this collection. They really make it sound like the games are totally broken, like the Halo-collection were on release. It's actually excellent done emulators in crisp HD and nearly zero new glitches, not really much to complain about...

Surprised people are moaning about this, and not the crappy controls.

I wouldn’t be able to get this far without giving up with the new controls

If there's one thing worth complaining about, it's the lack of REAL GameCube Controller support.

Yeeash. Maybe they'll take care of it with a patch.

I might be out of my depths here but I feel like the people who honestly care about this issue either:

A: are actively trying to stay angry at Nintendo over their output this year (which is a valid thing to be upset about, I guess, but overplayed at this point and nowhere near as bad as it's been made out to be, given the pandemic

B: Have played Sunshine on an emulator before. To which I say, maybe the collection isn't for you? Like, if you wanna play 64/Sunshine/Galaxy at 60fps and 4k via an emulator or the source port... go ahead? While it may have initially been scoped out as a slam dunk for Mario's 35th, it's pretty obvious that Nintendo switched gears due to their work from home situation and aimed for a simple, but flawed, layup of a release for the holidays. And for that, it's fine and makes for a great release.

I dunno. Complaining for the sake of complaining doesn't accomplish much, even when there are valid points sprinkled in there. At a certain point, you'll just get tuned out by most people.

@NicheAbou Or, C: They care about quality vs cost and/or accessibility and/or brand trust and/or the future of their favorite company/IP

@Pigeon okay... but seriously, this whole thing is absolutely not that big a deal. It never ceases to amaze me how up in arms people on the Internet get over the stupidest little things. Like, how do visible debug cubes actually adversely affect you?

Mario 64 not supporting 16:9 is the biggest issue I have with this collection.

@Snakesglowcaps thank you

Super Mario Sunshine is a great game overall. These FLUDDless levels are the best part of the game, too bad you cannot replay them without FLUDD. Just wish there was a menu to replay those levels. It's clear to me that the development of Super Mario Galaxy started with those levels as blueprint.

Here's the thing @Snakesglowcaps, Nintendo could have easily delayed it and polished/add more to this game. This is also a $60 game, if customers don't feel like it's a valued purchase they have every right to say so. Why are you defending a billion-dollar corporation? You do have a point however that Nintendo has been working from home for a majority of its development. But, according to rumor, they didn't start until February, which sounds like poor planning to me. Lol sorry to add to another of your millions of pings.

@dazzleshell In NintendoLife's defense, they're a Nintendo-only site and there's just not enough Nintendo news to keep daily content coming without some fluff, so when a high profile game comes out you can expect to see multiple articles about it over a week or two.

I'd certainly rather see random fluff articles about a new release than the random lists of (sometimes undiscounted) accessories with affiliate links they've done.

It happens with ports, things get easily missed. Rayman 2 on the 3DS was a bit of a train-wreck for example, even if the game itself is great. But if you charge a premium price for these, people will expect higher quality.

@COVIDberry one of the rules is no flaming. Attacking me gains nothing 🤡

@theiRiS you do realize 2021 is alrdy starting to become jam packed with a huge line up of games for switch i think they made the right call to release now and beside they can just fix the issues with patches.

@RiasGremory hey, I’m a Nintendo guy! I don’t own other systems and I’m all in for Nintendo and have faith they’ll continue to win the “wars” as I think the whole hybrid thing has now ruined my need for a traditional system ever again (which I think also awkwardly has now pigeon-holed Nintendo)...
I pray for games for holiday, but even if nothing there are so many great game so have to play!
Loving:
Spellbreak, Mario maker 2 (still!), Fractured But Whole South Park (Sale was $30 incl all DLC and it’s amazing), XCOM2, Wonderful101, and many more!
Power Rangers battle for the grid comes out next month, we have mario35 coming, and eventually we get LEGO Star Wars .... I’m just hoping for a few more biggies!!!!

@BooJoh but they do miss sooooo many titles.
There are so many hidden gems that you could talk about.
Barley a peep about some titles... VoltaX being a big miss, power Rangers battle for the grid collectors edition, etc.
I hate when this site gives many multiple articles on certain games with nothing on others.... I’d rather read a crappy game’s review than yet another animal crossing article....

I admit I was worried when I saw them because I've had too many experiences of a game freaking out and sometimes freezing my console because the player-character touched a visual glitch that wasn't meant to be seen during regular gameplay. However, when I accidentally ran through one and nothing happened, I stopped caring. I wouldn't be opposed to their removal in a future patch but if Nintendo does not do that, I'm perfectly fine with it.

Oh dear, more first world problems.

@RiasGremory it's true they can easily fix it in a patch but it just goes to show how careless they were with these games. Also, to my knowledge, there aren't very many switch games coming out in 2021.

@theiRiS wat im hearing switch has a huge lineup of games coming in 2021 including some big hitters.

I'd love to see these armchair programmers do better

Honestly, the fact they've reversed the aiming controls in Sunshine has put me off getting far enough to notice this. I'm hoping if they patch this they'll also give us a toggle to return the controls to "normal".

@Agramonte All of 2020 is a sign of Nintendo continuing their policy of not abusing their developers in the form of crunch. But by all means have an ignorance-laden hot take so you can tell yourself that you've shown all of these fans how cool you are.

@dazzleshell Maybe this isn't the right website for you... I'm not sure what you're expecting from a site called NINTENDOLIFE.COM

@Snakesglowcaps Nintendo has LOADS of money.
Not only that, but they have LOADS of franchises they could bring back from the dead for some extra cash. But Nintendo doesn't care about them anymore.That's why they barely released that many first party titles in the past THREE YEARS!

@JimmySpades No it isn't. The only example of that I can think of was Animal Crossing. And we all know how that turned out. An unfinished mess.

@Bermanator (cough)bs(cough)

I thought they were part of the game as lily dotted routes

@Snakesglowcaps You're still paying $60. You have a right to have a problem with it.

@neyoung8 alot... i mean a lot of people only own a switch..never had previous consoles. The new kids growing up... this is perfect for them.. it doesnt matter what they did in the past... its about what theu are doing now... and they are killing it

@mikegamer Armchair programmers aren’t charging $60 for their game

I can’t stand how they changed the camera controls. My brain can’t handle it. Maybe give the option to invert the camera?

@Snakesglowcaps they charged $60 for it. It should be better than this.

@Jimmy_G_Buckets then go fix the world, and stop belittling people on a video game website.

@AgentGuapo wat do you expect them to do wen their mostly working at home since they cant be in the same room cause of covid and their hands tied with other projects their working on as well and besides they ll fix the issues give them time.

@RiasGremory they should have delayed it.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Oh gosh this couldn't be better. A lazy 💸 grab by Nintendo to make money off a lazy port of their old Mario games with ZEROFKN free bonus extras, no instruction manual, no attempt to remaster and then put a label on an SD card that looks like it was done for some kid's homework project. Your $60 well spent 😆

Meanwhile here I am playing perfect ports of Mario 64, Sunshine and Galaxy on a Wii from 2006. The only one I paid for was Galaxy and it was like new on eBay for $8 🎮 😉

Let’s say I go to a restaurant, and order the soup, and it’s REALLY good, so it costs $60. I’m eating it and man, it’s delicious, but it’s not hot, it’s just room temperature. My experience is going to suffer, and I have the right to complain about it. This restaurant is famous for this soup, and it’s considered some of the best soup ever made. Eating it cold is not going to kill me, or probably hurt me in any way, and yeah the soup is still good - it’s not like it changed the way the soup tastes, not really - but it kinda weirded me out and gives me pause about returning to the restaurant in the future. I’m a bit disappointed with this soup.

When I complain to the chef (or write a bad review), I expect him/her to fix it - it’s not that big of a deal, but I paid good money for that soup.

What I don’t expect is for other people in the restaurant to say, “you should be thankful you got soup at all” or, “I’d like to see you make better soup” or, “your soup isn’t hot because the chef had to get it out to you faster” or, “there are bigger problems in the world besides the temperature of your soup.” Those kind of responses are absurd.

They went from:
"Why doesn't Nintendo release their older games on the switch? Don't they care about game preservation? What if I can't afford a Gamecube?"

To:
"You know you can just use an emulator for free right? Don't support releasing old games!"

If this oversight is patched out soon, I don't mind. It is lazy and shows 60 dollars worth of work did not go into making this, but I already knew that. If the bug stays in, for a long time or indefinitely, that is disrespectful to people who paid 60usd for old games. Then it would be quite annoying.

@AgentGuapo delay it because of small issues that be easily patch.

@Moistnado better then having glitches or crashing nonstop.

@RiasGremory It is also better than a slap in the face. It is better than the Wii version of all stars; a few roms on a CD. It is better than the current Nintendo online service. It's better than the hunger people face in the developing world. It is better than so many things.

The real complaint I have is not being able to register my Mii on my Galaxy save file. lol

@COVIDberry the stamp culture could be affecting. But my workings with Japanese clients have never had issues. Some of my favourites to work with.

I have had no issues syncing with people when blocked. One of the unique things right now is that since EVERYONE is remote, everyone is in the same boat, so hitting up someone in chat, or email, or firing up a zoom to work through things is pretty standard for everyone. Before when working from home, the problem was being the only one working from home. That kept you removed. But everyone working from home means more connected.

I don’t have kids but lots of my colleagues do. Note the productivity I speak of isn’t just me. We track work through “tickets”. We’ve seen a steady increase in number of tickets closed per week per person (and growing) since mass work from home started. That’s how we can see productivity has increased.

...I just thought those were "dotted tracks" or whatever...lol

Fans have proven to Nintendo that you can take 3 emulated games that cost $30 and pack them together and charge $60 and make 100x more money and sales. I don't think virtual console is coming. I think more "here are 3 emulated games" collections are coming.

Wave Race x F-Zero 4 n64 and Gamecube games? $60. Copy of N64 Pokemon Snap with the Switch Pokemon Snap? Zelda compilation for $60?

@RiasGremory Delay it so there aren’t any issues to begin with - add some control configuration options, get it running at 60fps, widescreen throughout, etc. That's not unreasonable.

This had the potential to be the best video game compilation maybe ever, but instead it’s an 8/10

Imagine Neil Armstrong touching his toe to the moon surface and turning around like “We did it, let’s go home boys!”

It’s still cool, but pretty anticlimactic

It’s supposed to be part of a celebration for one of the biggest IPs in the world and they kinda just phoned it in.

It seems that this quick and dirty cash grab was even dirtier than I thought...

Only modders could hack the game and be offended by things regular play sessions wouldn't reveal.

"This collection is beyond lazy". How about "This modder is beyond entitled?"
YOU WENT OUT OF BOUNDS! Anything could happen. Duh! I hate these types of people. 🧐🧐

@EVIL-C ...wha? If you’re talking about the debug cubes, they’re visible during normal gameplay with a nonhacked game on a nonhacked system. You don’t go out of bounds to see them.

This is what's known as "majoring on the minors".

@Snakesglowcaps

I'm loving the game as well, but they don't have to release a game full price. If they do, it really ought to be finished. We can understand the issues with the global pandemic, but if they can't finish it, they shouldn't release it.

@TimboSlice I agree, but it's kind of a lose/lose for them. When they cover or review the lesser-known titles then the comments tend to be full of "wtf is this shovelware" type of comments even if the game is genuinely good. So many people won't even give a chance to games that they haven't already heard of.

@RiasGremory absolutely.

@BooJoh ok... but to be fair they do cover a lot of “shovel ware “! 😂
But there’s a lot of middle tier games they miss!

@impurekind SMB 1 physics where awful in that remake tho

@everynowandben well, "forever" until you download a patch for it.

@AgentGuapo omg for what!!! That’d be ridiculous. Everyone would be in here bitching about that instead. How has everyone convinced themselves they hate this so much.

Huh... watching the video, I think they actually look kind of cool, and if I hadn't read this article first I probably wouldn't have given them a second thought.

@Zequio Hahaha.. Good point for how games work nowadays

@Franklin how isn’t it finished...the lines were very likely left in on purpose. 3 competent ports are present. 3 of the best games on those 3 systems. Wishful thinking made people want galaxy too but it was never promised. And most of the glitches are being discovered on illegally hacked switches, so like who cares. They risk their systems.

Says it shows up in unofficial emulations. This means this is not the official Nintendo emulation used..
Nuff said.

@kurtasbestos it’s a great collection and the ports look beautiful. Lots of people letting the internet determine how they feel about something without actually seeing it. Galaxy has improvements that take advantage of switch and looks beautiful. Sunshine looks and plays great. 64 is dated but clean presentation. Buy and enjoy man.

@Snakesglowcaps no. It’s still lazy.

@LUIGITORNADO I didn’t realize you’d worked on the game and monitored their progress and work load? Do enlighten us? Explain to me how this game made 3 hours to make and you could do it with your hands behind your back on your 98’ IBM. Please I’d love to hear about your process.

@ComicVoice I’m also a dev and been working remotely. I can vouch that things have certainly been more productive for my company but not all companies and parts of the world are in places that can make that transition as easily.

@Sourcecode that was really all I’m saying. Like an indie dev that was already accustomed to working at home or at least partially has a massive advantage over a massive company like Nintendo where you used to be a desk away from someone you need to speak to constantly. Not to mention security and liabilities of sending people home with dev kits and storing info at home. That all requires massive procedural changes.

@Snakesglowcaps

Yeah maybe, I did find the blocks helpful when I played the level.

@everynowandben Said by him before patching existed...

If you complain about this you are literally the most pathetic creature to ever exist.

Although a minor issue, this speaks towards the volumes of other examples of Nintendo making this a sloppy, lazy cash grab and just showing general indifference towards their most hardcore fans.

@Clyde_Radcliffe Right, but it is kinda funny that it doesn’t really apply to how the market works these days

@everynowandben So then don't buy it, everyone's so bloody entitled

If the game was fairly priced people wouldn't complain this much.
Seriously it's just a couple of ports that's just slightly polished here and there.
The collection is worth $20 max.

Some people on this site are really pathetic, imagine typing something like this in the current climate "COVID is a lamer than lame excuse". Constant moaning about this being lazy or they are only emulated, well if its so easy how about you go write an N64, Gamecube or Wii emulator for Switch. Not to mention these games do have updates even if relatively minor, yet many are talking as if they just slapped some roms on a cartridge and called it a day.

@Shamrock Probably for a limited time only.

@mikegamer This generation is filled with whiners. Hence why I don't bother with Twitter and most social media platforms.

I love seeing Nintendo play whack-a-mole with romsites, then turn around and sell roms emulated in half ASSquality for $60 on an SD card, even though the games run better on free emulation software. 😜

Hell, the Wii plays these games better and that thing was released before the 1st iPhone. 😆

Woah those were supposed to be invisible? Well I just thought they were intentionally there to help you navigate lol. Well i hope they patch these bugs

@Shamrock Dolphin has tried for years to fix this. If they can't, Nintendo can't.

@electrolite77 Kind of. People defend these collections based on the idea they're authentic experiences.

@Roto13 How so? People pay for official, authentic experiences. The thing is that Nintendo cracks down on emulators being worked on for years, only to release their own emu but literally worse.

It's such a shame people like you forget the CONTEXT of things... As if it's just these cubes themselves being a big deal. Such a bunch of idiots.

@Snakesglowcaps It's a "great" collection, yet the motion emulation on Galaxy is wonky and the Sunshine experience... best experienced on a GameCube. I wonder how many of these so-called Nintendo fans have actually played these games on original consoles. Maybe then they'd realise what true quality is.

Hahaha the "lines" left in on purpose? How far are you willing to go to defend a clear imperfection with the game?

@PBandSmelly That's actually a good point, I think as one of the people you talk about. I think it has to do with Nintendo being long overdue. They finally take a step, and then the product they release is the exact same as the ROMs and emus they try to take down so bad. It's like the police making an effort to wipe out drug use, only to start selling these drugs themselves and benefit from wiping out any competition.

@JimmySpades "A rushed game is forever bad, but a delayed game wi..." Oh wait.

@Thirteen1355
Well, Nintendo DID make the original game so it's not like they are stealing anything. Although I do agree, this should have been fixed along with better settings for Mario 64

@VenomousAlbino People who actually played these games on original hardware come from an era where it wasn't usual to have bugs and glitches float around in your game. They're used to certain standards of quality and get picky when these aren't met. It's not that strange. Not when these games work better on unofficial emulators, the thing people use to experience these old games again, while newer Nintendo "fans", who have never played these games before, defend this collection with their lives.

@TG16_IS_BAE This is the best Nintendo-related comment I've seen in years, and perfectly sums up the thoughts and feelings I've been having for even longer.

I don't know if they rushed the game or not, but I am loving this game. I knew what I was buying. This glitch doesn't bother me as there are more important things in life to think about. People have been dying in this pandemic and this could be affecting people in the company with the quality of work. Maybe Nintendo employees have lost love ones. I don't know. Just something to think about.

@everynowandben that miyamoto quote doesn’t really stand today thanks to the internet and post-release patches...

@popey1980 It's 60 dollars down the drain for some.

@SuperDan64 Probably a good reason to delay the game and polish it up, right?

@tobsesta99 "A rushed game will forever be bad, but a delayed..." Oh ***** who said that again?

Oh it was Miyamoto!

@PBandSmelly Yeah. It's honestly mostly that I feel genuinely sad for people who pay 60 dollars for a game that's TECHNICALLY better on an unofficial emulator (this by no means says you can't enjoy the games more on your preferred console), and then go so far to defend it when they end up losing out (unless they really put things into perspective and acknowledge that while the collection is pretty poor, they can still enjoy it on a console they couldn't play it on at first.)

The "preservation" bit is problematic as well. A limited release obviously isn't gonna fit the bill there. That's not preservation.

@sketchturner

I expect better tbh. Been reading this site for years. Odyssey didn't get as many articles and pointless polls as this game has.

But I guess it works. More clicks and the same people complaining about the same things on every article.

This actually makes me consider trying Sunshine again because oh man, that game has always been lazy to begin with

@Thirteen1355
I payed 60 even though I have all the games on their original consoles...I'm just a collector that loves to fill shelf space, what can I say?

@Thirteen1355 I played these games when they originally released on their respective original hardware and guess what: I still don't care about debug cubes. The arguments for why this is such a big deal and so outrageous are legitimately absurd. I'd be sympathetic if people were paying for this game and it was unequivocally unplayable and full of crashes and game-breaking bugs because at that point they've paid for something that doesn't work, but the people whining and throwing their toys out of their pram over this tiny, unobtrusive and inconsequential little detail need to get a grip and get over themselves, honestly.

A global pandemic is no excuse. Game development is quite easy to do working from home. The entire Ori and the Blind Forest game was made by a WFH team. It’s irrelevant though. This is a rom and an emulator. Nintendo have always done a terrible job with emulation considering they are professional deva with access to all original hardware specs and code. People that do it in their spare time usually five better results.

So some bedwetters are crying over something that means absolutely nothing in the real world. Ho hum. Another day in the Nintendolife comment section I suppose. Storm in a tea cup.

@Zeropulse This isn't specifically about this mario thing, but I see you too are a fan of brave fencer musashi a, it's always nice seeing fellow fans of a lesser known square game from the 90s.

@VenomousAlbino It's not a big deal, but it's still a deal if Nintendo cannot release the games without these issues. They're bugs, they weren't there once, they're there now. That's a downgrade.

There's nothing more to it.

When they just emulated the games, it's obvious already that Nintendo didn't care about any polish.

@Thirteen1355 "It's not a big deal, but it's still a deal if Nintendo cannot release the games without these issues."

It's not even a small deal. Personally, I won't lose sleep over it.

@Thirteen1355 keep trolling buddy. GameCube outputs at 480p and the motion controls are anything but wonky. Quit reaching. You clearly haven’t played it.

@dustinprewitt considering the headache all these cry baby interwebbers have given them they probably would have been better off not making it

@Thirteen1355 if people are saying something as small as this is ruining their enjoyment of the game, then they’re probably looking for reasons to hate on it. Personally I think it’s a great collection of games and had no problem paying £50 for them

@Thirteen1355 WHAT BUGS!!! I have extensive time with all of them now and I’ve encountered zero bugs!? Could they be a bit better? SURE! But made up bugs and nit picking random stuff so you can sleep better at night about a game you probably never intended to purchase and only want to attempt to ruin for the rest of us is just petty. Seriously I’m starting to think Nintendolifes got an IGN infestation the way all you peeps are whining and blubbering. If you’ve got an emulator to play this better on go! If you’ve got a GameCube or wii you prefer Go! If it’s too expensive don’t buy it, and don’t worry about other people buying it cause it shouldn’t matter to you if you didn’t. ***** man. Lol this is actually ridiculous.

I suppose those were Nintendo Gamecubes.
Anyway I was too busy having fun and listening to the wonderful rendition of the Super Mario Theme that plays during that section to notice that small detail.

Also one more thing before I ignore these comment sections forever. A rushed game is forever bad? To the idiots saying that. Mario 64, Mario Sunshine, and galaxy are some of the best games ever made on their respective systems. You sound completely stunned. These games all retain their quality and masterpiece status. That quote was made in regard to new games not compilations and quoting it over and over makes you sound stupider than I can call you out for in a single comment. None of these games have degraded in quality simply because you’re blubbering. They are all awesome and now they’re in HD. Keep reaching, quit trolling, and for the love of god quit crying. And I’m out, peace bitches.

@theiRiS with a thought out and reasonable response I have no problem with you adding to my pings. Lol
Absolutely I agree more could have been added to justify the price tag. But delaying a game is a very difficult decision to make especially when it’s Mario’s 35th anniversary. 3D world may have been dated for next year but was it originally? I highly doubt it. So you roll into September and an investors meeting with two Mario games delayed to next for the 35th. I get it billion dollar company etc but they can’t do what they do or make more great games if they aren’t profitable and making investors happy as well. Which means we suffer in the end. They’re damned if they do damned if they don’t. I think it was the right decision to focus on 3D world and get these ports out. There was no lead up or unfulfilled promises. It was just HD remasters. At least 3D has some extra content.

@Snakesglowcaps I think your kneejerk reaction to a shred of criticism for this rerelease is more telling.

@VenomousAlbino If you're losing sleep over anything you'd call a "small deal", then something may be wrong here...

@popey1980 Nope, it's about context.

@Snakesglowcaps Woah woah, pipe down. Did the alarm bells go off in your head again, ring ring someone calls something a bug? The debug cubes showing is a bug. They were not meant to show. The fact that this port has more bugs than the original is somewhat sad. You don't think so, that's fine. Debugging features aren't meant to show in a game, period. Otherwise they aren't debugging features. Maybe you've played too much Skyrim to care about polish and quality, but I'll stay picky since thanks to emulation I can focus on only the best games (which are 90% Nintendo games, mind you.) It's Nintendo's games that made me adhere to a certain quality standard, and it's Nintendo's lazy rereleases, combined with their urge to remove my way of experiencing their games, that make me question their decisions. Nintendo didn't ask for bellhops like you. A sad state of affairs is worth calling out and it's nothing more than that. No need to downplay the people who call it out and pretend you're the smart guy who is just here for ***** and giggles and the rest is wasting their time complaining.

I mean, that's not even the bellhop's task! 🤣

@electrolite77 It's their right to not care and Nintendo's quality will suffer for it, but why would you defend it if you don't care? The pretense of "I don't care but the people who complain do" is astoundingly dimwitted. There's no need to defend, this is clearly not Nintendo's intent, it was a fault. A fault is called out and maybe something will be done with it. That's it, end of story. Nobody needs to jump to defenses. There's a lot of people on both sides who take it too far (look at bellhop Snakesglowcaps), but criticism is as much a right as is enjoying the games. Pretending there's no mistakes made is... Dunno, dumb? I try to think of a more nuanced term, but it's legit tough to find one. Silly, very silly.

@Zequio No they weren't. Not being exactly the same as the original does not equal rubbish.

@riChchestM The rotating cubes become way less annoying when you realize you can just walk towards the section that's going to be facing up instead of trying to jump.

@datamonkey Agreed - I was just pointing out the irony of a rushed to market Mario game when that’s Miyamoto’s most famous quote

@Snakesglowcaps Windwaker HD was a proper remaster. Took 6 months to do. Looks beautiful. Made improvements over the base game.

These are three simple upscaled emulated games with debugs in levels in addition to performance issues.

As an official product that we paid for we should expect more.

No one can convince me otherwise it wasn’t cobbled together.

“Oh but what about COVID?” What about it? Has development stopped all together for the hundreds of devs working on games?

Maybe BoTW2 should ship in 2 parts with a $60 price on both because poor Nintendo 🙄 they deserve our money.

@Thirteen1355 which is precisely why I said I won't lose sleep over it.

How do we know those aren't there intentionally to aid playability? Like if I didn't KNOW they were "debug" cubes, I wouldn't think they were out of place at all.

@impurekind What you have to keep in mind about Super Mario All Stars:.

Back then, emulating or even porting an NES game to the SNES wasn't even an option. Every time a game came out on a new platform in the 80s and early 90s, it was basically a new game built from the ground up.

If you have to make a new game anyway, using sprites and music from the original version doesn't save you much time.

Also while I appreciate the effort that went into it, I'm not perfectly happy with the decisions they made. The art in particular looks a bit generic compared to the originals and having both options on a modern system with save states and stuff, I usually play the NES versions.

@Creature theres a specific build of 1964 emulator you might like, it runs GE and PD at 60fps, has ultra wife support, mouse injector for kb+m support

Defo worth checking out if ur a PD fan, also the official XBLA rerelease was really good too, tho I do sometimes still boot up my n64 from time to time

@NintendoLife it feel would be appreciated, and well within your purview to help steer the overall dialogue regarding this release from defending Nintendo to challenging them and calling them out for laziness. This is not the Nintendo I know and love - this game feels rushed and not given the respect it deserves. Nintendo owes us, their loyal fans, better. I encourage you to call them out publicly for attempting to get away with sub-par efforts.

Don't use the word "lazy;" that puts the blame on the developers, who i'm sure did the best they could in the time they had, with the conditions they were under and with the orders they were given by the people at the top. It's not a lazy port, it's a rushed port. Just like with Pokémon, the executives felt a need to get the game out in time to meet a self-imposed deadline and so couldn't give the developers the time or resources they needed to make a better game.

@Heavyarms55 it's not that, sir. I know the games, in and of themselves, are wonderful. It's just people disappointed in a company that we know and love for their creativity and quality taking a huge step backwards and communicating to their fans that they care more about making money this quarter than they do releasing outstanding products to their fans.

@Snakesglowcaps I see what you're saying now but this collection was DEFINITELY a missed opportunity. I agree that on Nintendo's part, whatever they decided to do would almost inevitably be the wrong one.

@electrolite77 Biggest actual issue is that those 'defenders' become attackers and insulters.

It's completely fair to dislike a game, but it adds nothing to dislike people.

I just played through Sunshine on the GC a few weeks before this collection and I don’t care about the blocks. I do wish they would have fixed the terrible pachinko level though.

Pandemic schmandemic. This is Nintendo laziness.

Remember Mario's 25th anniversary? They took a small size All-Stars SNES rom, slapped it on a large storage sized Wii disc and charged 50 bucks for it

Wait... what I’m saying is that the likely explanation for releasing this with no added features or bonuses might be due to COVID and them not being able to put in effort to do anything more... I’m HOPING that’s the reason.

@TimboSlice When I cited my disagreement with you, I was referring first to your statement that "they've got nothing for fall/winter" - I don't think Koei Tecmo did the story parts of Hyrule Warriors AoC, at least.

I think Nintendo considers 3 ports of their most unique, headline Mario titles sufficient for $80 ($60 USD). I think the lack of additions and "polish", as we were discussing, was deliberate. I also remember commentators on this site assuring everyone that the three titles would each be sold separately for full price, so... this is the unpalatable middle ground, I suppose.

Pandemic schamndemic...

@sleepinglion Care to take a bite out of me?

@COVIDberry I'm not mocking the pandemic. It's deadly serious stuff. But I am mocking the 'CV-19 defense' for why this compilation is a barebones affair (though you did help me catch my typo, I meant schmandemic)

@Snakesglowcaps - Strange to see such a shilling comment get so many likes, but I suppose it's par for the course on a Nintendo fan site.

Criticism of products should not be halted because of anything going on in the world. Nintendo are a company; they don't care about you, they care about profit. Were this collection free then you'd have a point, but they're charging full retail price for this release, and any smart consumer should realize that you can criticize something you paid good money for; especially when it's done as lazily as this.

If you still think this product is worth the price then good for you, but don't try and belittle others for daring to question the laziness of the big corporation.

@sleepinglion Thanks for the clarification. And for not biting me.

I struggle to believe that the pandemic has helped productivity overall, but several posts above give a different perspective.

@Cow_Bug so basically you want nintendolife to agree with you even though they probably don’t...?

@Peach64 except nintendo got their hands tied with other big game projects their working on.

@LUIGITORNADO how is it lazy compared to how 2k,ea and few others always half@$$ every switch version of their games.

@countzero Using the assets from the original 100% saves you loads of time compared to creating all new assets, even with the old 2D games. The original All-Stars was a proper dedicated effort on Nintendo's part, and although even I sometimes think the original sprites and backgrounds look better in their own way, it's very clear all the new stuff is a clear jump up graphically. It would have been cool to include both old and new art back in the day and let players choose between them, but that wasn't really a thing back then like it is now, and Nintendo didn't include it now either. In every way the original All-Stars is a superior implementation of the idea vs the new one as far as I'm concerned. I mean, let's be honest here, very few people back then would have been like "Nah, I want the old NES 8-bit visuals rather than the updated 16-bit SNES visuals!", so you can't seriously knock Nintendo for going the way it did-- and I'm sure many people now wish it has done something similar with Super Mario 3D All-Stars.

@Cow_Bug Sorry but no. That's nonsense. It comes off as extreme entitement too. This is a wonderful product. They announced it and released it quickly all but certainly to make up for the fact that the pandemic has delayed and messed up their other plans. Like it has for basically every on Earth in 2020.

And further, of course they want and need to make money. Nintendo is a company too. They have employees to pay and obligations to meet and a whole host of vicious enemies looking for even the slightest excuse to toot the Nintendoomed horn once again.

@Thirteen1355 You do realize the development team is/was working from home right?

Even then that quote has been thrown around like it’s nothing by people like you. Look at Duke Nukem Forever and you’ll realize just using that quote means nothing.

@tobsesta99 You mean delaying the game to provide a polished, Nintendo-worthy experience? I mean, why not? It's not a "they're lazy" argument. It's a "they could have taken a bit longer to not rush the game." Means everything.

How is working at home a reason to NOT delay something? Enlighten me.

@Heavyarms55 "vicious enemies ooohhh"
Scary, but Nintendo is a multi-million company and doesn't need people to help them out combating "enemies". Both sides are nothing to Nintendo, just people on the internet arguing. The problem does not lie with Nintendo, but with people who are too blinded to be able to even see that the quality of Nintendo's products is kinda declining. Just that, nothing more. No big issue threatening the peace, but it's there. You can't shove it under a rug.

@everynowandben The Miyamoto statement made sense when there was no internet for updating code.

"It's also worth taking into consideration that there's been a global pandemic this year. Nintendo has reminded us how the disruptions have also personally impacted it throughout the year time and time again."

The article you link to specifically says that none of the games for this fiscal year have been affected by the virus. First, making excuses for Nintendo is bad journalism, but out-and-out lying is not journalism at all.

Hopefully they’ll fix the weird frame time bug that causes small slowdown in Sunshine as well

@RPGamer
where are these quotes taken from?

@Snakesglowcaps
the tone of the comment does feel like you are talking down to people along with the other comment about people "gobbling up" the sony stuff.

The games in the collection definitely do have some rough edges but if people are still enjoying the games then that is great, the same applies to those who do have issues with the collection, so long as they aren't harrasing people (such as sending hate messages on social media)

in regards to the covid19 situation many people do feel like it may have affected nintendo more than they had claimed in PR statements (regarding the 2020 releases) and it is definitely clear that it affected how nintendo worked more than the other major companies

the fanbase can be very split regarding certain games which is understandable for any fanbase which has been around a while.

me personally? i say if you are enjoying the game then keep on enjoying it, if you have issues with it then its fine to voice them (again as long as it doesn't involve harrassment) though if there are ways to report bugs to nintendo then that would be a good option (once again as long as harrasment isnt involve)

apologies for the long rambling post, stay safe everyone.

@everynowandben ah I see! 👍

@Roto13 People here don’t seem to realize Nintendo is a company first and foremost.

@RiasGremory lol what? This is Nintendo's console. It's Nintendo's own games. How do you not see the absurdity to that question?

@Ambassador_Kong I agree, as mentioned above, I was just pointing out the irony of a rushed to market Mario game when that’s Miyamoto’s most famous quote.

Since you and a couple people pointed that out though, I was thinking about what that quote really means, and I believe it does still stand to a certain degree. Generally speaking, game review scores are not typically updated after the initial review is published. I know some sites will update reviews for popular games when they have changed significantly over time, but a lot of games don't get that second chance. This collection has been getting generally stellar reviews despite it's shortcomings, so it probably doesn't really apply here, but the concept does connect with many games out there that have fixed the issues mentioned in their reviews. Of course, its really that the game's legacy remains "bad forever" rather than the game itself in these scenarios, but still, I think it's worth consideration.

@everynowandben Not being a modder/hacker, I thought they modded their switch version to see them. Didn't realize they were visible without modding on Switch. I haven't got to that stage yet.

I'm reminded of Majora's Masks' imperfect sound emulation on the GameCube anniversary disc. Little minor things in emulated software, that don't effect gameplay, just don't bother me.

@Orpheus79V well said dude

@Mgalens I feel compelled to talk down when it’s complaints that don’t even really exist. A lot of these issues are related to hacked switches. Not to mentioned when someone completely ignores the actual good aspects such as the HD upgrades, texture upgrades, native widescreen support. It’s so difficult not to talk down when it’s someone just flaming. You can literally sense the fact that they never planned on purchasing it, especially when they’re saying something so minor could sway them. If you wanted it I really doubt these things would change your mind. My point is simply that these people are very obviously taking the shape of trolls. They seek only to make you doubt your own purchase and worth you place on things and aren’t true fans. Many people here are making logical points and writing out their thoughts coherently and genuinely and I’ve been cordial with them. The others who are just obvious trolls I have zero patience for.

Already beat it and got 92 shines, not getting the rest because blue coins were a terrible idea lmao. I will say it was really awesome to go back and play it again.

For me, I've never played any of these but because of this collection I will be for a decent price. Yes I could buy 64 & Galaxy on Wii U for about £25 but Sunshine would cost alot more on the second hand market. So I've saved money, this is a win for me but I'll need to wait for some updates clearly.

@JimmySpades so, barely do any work or $60 half finished milk ports was their solution to "crunch"... that is brilliant.

@Heavyarms55 It sounds like we have different standards of excellence for Nintendo perhaps. Personally, I'd rather not have a game at all, or have one that's been delayed for a few months to improve its overall experience than to have a game that's good but not great. Sure, in a sense, it's an entitlement and I don't think that's a bad thing. It's precisely BECAUSE I've given Nintendo so much of my money that I have the absolute right to gripe when they're lazy about a release. We owe nothing to Nintendo, and they owe everything to us. They are a corporation. We are the ones with the power to choose to support these bad habits with our wallets, or not. And it's September. They could have released this in November or even December with the improvements - they're some of the best developers and programmers in the industry.

@Agramonte You have made a number of excellent points that I am excited to ponder.

@Thirteen1355 The most

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@dazzleshell I was noticing that too and I'm starting to feel the same. Virtually anything about it becomes a new debate and everyone flocks to pile on top. The game is becoming the Kardashians of video games.

In simple terms: Like flies to a pile of sh*t.

Just enjoy the game for what it is. Three great games in one package. Either buy it or don't. End of story.

@Snakesglowcaps

as mentioned i feel its fine for people to enjoy the games, but feel like outright dismissing those who do take issue as "trolls" or "entitled" like some are isnt the best way of going.

while i feel like "lazy" isn't the best word to use i do feel like there are some definite rough edges (such as the one mentioned in this article) and would have been nice to have some extra features or options (such as control or visual options, or the ability to invert the camera/look) like a few other collections have.

in terms of the covid situation as mentioned i do agree with those who say that the pandemic may have impacted nintendo more than their PR comments had suggested but the only info people had to go by is what nintendo themselves had said and while companies have no obligation to disclose those kinds of details it does seem like it helps being open such as the producer of FFXIV when it came to how Covid impacting the development of the games latest content patch, the situation this year definitely shows how important things like PR can be.

as mentioned in the previous post i feel like those who are enjoying it shouldn't let the complaints get to them and those who are unhappy have a right to criticize a product which is being sold as long as they aren't outright harrassing people.

@RPGamer
so someone on instagram was outright telling people to not have fun?

@Roto13 Aww, does it keep you awake? So much it makes you throw around personal insults? Grow some principles, or at the very least, some tact. Some HUMANITY, as people would call it.

Oh wait, I already had responded to you before. Dunno, you all seem the exact same. If you need to personally insult people over a game, you're just an idiot, like the rest of them.

I played this level yesterday. I can totally see how it slipped by and it's nothing to do with laziness. The debug cubes mark the paths that the moving platforms take, with larger cubes at the end point. Given it's in a level made entirely of floating cubes I can 100% see how a QA tester thought they were part of the level and didn't report them.

If I hadn't read this article beforehand, I probably would have ignored them too or just thought to myself "hah, that looks like a debug cube, how unfortunate" assuming that is was a chosen visual. It's been some time since I've played sunshine prior to this rerelease and they really don't look out of place.

Not cool to have left this sort of thing in a physical release. :-/

To be honest, as I have not played the original, I would never of known they were not supposed to be there as they are the track which the platforms follow, which has been used in other 3D games

@Thirteen1355 Keep letting your patheticness flag fly, friend.

@Snakesglowcaps Sorry, another blind Nintendo fanboy with 300+ brain dead chumps supporting him.

This is downright scandalous at the price they are asking. If it was £20 who cares, but £60 wtf. No seal of quality on this release, complete and utter garbage and massive disrespect to their lead franchise and fans.

@Roto13 Oh, it's just a troll.

@Snakesglowcaps Nintendo didnt even want to be in the video game business. They wanted to be in the card industry. But noooooooo.......

@liveswired strange that you’re here if you hate Nintendo so much. ☺️

@Snakesglowcaps Spot on. Sick of people whinging about the supposed poor state of this game and the lack of releases by Nintendo this year when there's a global pandemic. Do they all live under a rock?

@Snakesglowcaps In the grand scheme of things, of course it's not a huge deal - but that doesn't change the fact this is an incredibly lazy collection of ports. No other industry gets to claim the "Oh yeah, this product sucks but... you know. Pandemic". Most everyone is figuring out the shift to work from home, but product & service quality do not get a free pass because of it.

@jbreez00 I have to tell you. Just seeing someone recognize my icon really made my day. It is a completely underrated game that is lost to time. I thankfully am a bit of a video game hoarder, so I still have my PS1 disc, as it is just locked on that system.

I've MOSTLY cleared Sunshine (109 Shines), and I never saw these. I WISH I had, a lot of those damn jumps would've been a little easier if I knew exactly when the platform was going to stop and turn around.

I'm about to go double check this. The photos make them look impossible to notice.

So, in Secret of the Dirty Lake (in two of the photos above) definitely has them. However, they are missing from all other platform types. The moving gears halfway through Secret of Ricco Harbor. In The Yoshi-Go-Round's Secret, there are none for the moving blocks styled like Yoshi eggs, nor are they there for the moving orange blocks later in that same area.

It sounds like a lot of the more reasonable people are correct: this was done during a pandemic. Play testing was most likely done in house and minimally. As I said in my previous comment, I didn't even notice them the first time through the Ricco Harbor one. They probably intended to remove them and just missed the debug boxes in select areas. Not really a big deal. I think certain gamers just want to find something evil and horrific bc they didn't get the graphics they want, or are used to playing these on emulator and as such, are mentally locked into them being "free".

Before I say the following I want to state I do not feel I wasted my 65 bucks, nor do I find the price tag disagreeable for the amount of content I'm getting.

Having said that, if gamers wanna complain, there's two much better areas to waste their time on besides the nonsense in this article:

1. Not getting the 3DS remake of Mario 64. New stars, playable characters, and even stages? Yes please. Given how people have all but rioted over the graphics however, I suppose Nintendo made the right call here; they'd really holler over 3DS graphics.

2. Mario Galaxy in general. Playing it has been an exercise in frustration. If I let go of the left joystick too hard, causing it to pop back in place, it will somehow trigger the motion controls for Mario's spin attack. This is detrimental as hell in several jumps, as it causes him to lose almost all his forward momentum. It can also kinda really suck when I needed to spin attack an enemy or boss, and Mario triggers it early due to this. There's also the issue of the Ray racing and Ball riding mechanics (never thought I'd discuss ball riding in terms of Mario XD). These were frustrating enough on Wii bc both just reeked of Nintendo shoehorning in the motion controls when regular controls would've worked much better. They made the bold choice to keep to their guns on this in SM3DAS. TMI alert, I'm disabled and bedridden quite often with spinal pain. The controls for either only really work when sitting, esp the ball mechanics. It makes sense when considering the Switch will be in two different positions laying down vs. sitting, but it was all so unnecessary. Just map the controls to the controls. This isn't an example of pandemic crunch; they went so far as to go in and reconfigure everything for Switch, as well as making icons reflecting holding a Switch in the tutorial for either. Out of the three games, Galaxy is the one I feel suffers the most from "Nintendo being lazy!" But no, let's all complain about not injecting the graphics on steroids, or on seeing the path a moving platform will follow (something other Mario games have done before intentionally).

@roadrunner343 how can you claim something is lazy when you’ve got zero knowledge of what went into it? Crunching and adapting to work from home, something Nintendo is notoriously very against, to make sure the game came out for the 35th. You really don’t know what they went through or how it went down. Converting a Wii game I’ve heard is a pain in the ass. Which would make sense since they rarely do it. But anyways, I’m just saying it’s kind of ridiculous to pretend you know what went into it just because the “internet” told you to feel a certain way. I’ve been playing it since release. I think they are all fantastic conversions.

@Snakesglowcaps I've also been playing it since release and enjoying it. That's because the original games themselves are great. That doesn't change the fact that this is an incredibly lazy port. We're not living in a vacuum - there's plenty of other retro collections done much better, and for cheaper. The SNK 4th Anniversary Collection, Street Fighter collection, Mega Man Legacy Collections, etc... I'm also a software developer working from home. I don't get a pass for shoddy work simply because I'm working from home. It doesn't matter "What goes into it" if the end product doesn't live up to user expectations. I'm not saying this is a trash/garbage collection, but it is definitely the bare minimum Nintendo could have done.

@Zeropulse I know what you mean, I played through the game a few times myself and never got tired of it and it was a bit ahead of its time. Kind of sucks most of squenix’ nostalgic efforts go into making the 7th final fantasy 7 entry, which will be the number by the time remake 3 is out, instead of some of their other games around that time.

Did you by any chance ever play the sequel, musashi samurai legends? While it wasnt as good as the first I dont think it was too bad, but of course lt was made after the merger.

@jbreez00 I have, but I have never beat. Only defeated the first 2 worlds you go to. Played it on my old PS3 that could play PS2 discs and when that broke I was sadly left without a way to play it.
From what I did play I would describe it the exact same way. Not quite as good as the original, but still a fun game.

Musashi and Megaman legends are two games that I would kill to get a new entry in, and I sadly also know it will never happen.

@SigourneyBeaver That kind of thing happens a lot in movies and TV shows. All the time with big budget things. There are a hundred little things like that in the various Avengers movies. Game of Thrones has visible Evian water bottles and Starbucks cups. To me, those are much worse because they ruin the well crafted immersion of a deeply plot oriented experience. A Mario game is meant to be fun and it doesn't impact that. In fact, I just played that level last night and it never occurred to me that those were anything other than a track to show the blocks move on. Even now I'm not sure that's not what it is. 2D Mario games and some 3D Mario games have visible track dots for moving platforms. It's certainly not unprecedented.

Pretty piss poor on Nintendos part, considering Mario is their flagship franchise.

This collection should have been absolutely stuffed to the gills with extras. Including Galaxy 2 (no excuse at all for its omission!) all games running at a standard 60fps. An optional Super Mario 64 remade from the ground up! (plus the original)

They've had years to perfect this collection, yet still chose to dish us up the bare minimum! Needs some serious patches before I even think of investing my time and money into it.

Smacks of laziness from the big N.

I noticed the gray cubes, but didn't think anything of it. Honestly it makes the platform paths a bit more predictable, which is helpful considering how notoriously difficult those sections of the game are. I'm sure they'll have this patched out shortly.