Nintendo has announced its financial results for the first quarter of the current fiscal year, which covers the period from April through to June 2018. In the report, the company has given sales-to-date figures for its current hardware, as well as data specific to the quarter.
As you might imagine, Switch is doing incredibly well, with 19.67 million units sold since launch early last year. In terms of software, 86.93 Switch games have been sold since day one.
During the first quarter of this financial year, games like Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze (1.40 million units), Mario Tennis Aces (1.38 million units) and Nintendo Labo (1.39 million units for both packs) performed well.
Switch hardware sales hit 1.88 million units for this quarter (a 4.4 percent drop on a year-on-year basis), while Switch software hit 17.96 million units (a 120.8 percent increase year-on-year).
The 3DS has now reached 72.89 million consoles sold, with a whopping 367.84 million games sold to date. 3DS sold 0.36 million units this quarter (61.9 percent down on last year), while 2.95 million software units were sold (49.6 percent down).
Elsewhere in the business, the relaunched NES Classic Edition notched up sales of 1.26 million units. Smartphone revenue reached 9.0 billion yen / $80 million (a very modest 0.4 percent increase on last year). The poor old Wii U, in case you were wondering, has only managed 13.56 million consoles to date, with 102.28 million units of software sold since launch.
The powerful performance of the Switch has enabled Nintendo to post net sales of $1,513 billion - an increase of 9 percent on last year - while actual profit is $394.6 million (a 42 percent jump year-on-year).
[source nintendo.co.jp]
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Not 20 million? Nintendo is doomed. Time for stock prices to fall and for all 3rd parties to cancel their development plans. GG guys, it was a nice run, but clearly Nintendo is, as usual, trash and a total failure. If you disagree you're obviously just a stupid fanboy.
Excellent, I love it.
More games please Nintendo. Thanks.
Not bad, but a year on year drop after only the second year suggests momentum is slowing, this doesn't mean I think the switch is a failure, just that it's probably not going to meet Nintendo's lofty ambitions.
Also I assume the 3DS has sold 367.84 million games, not only 367.84 games.
Good news overall. Glad to see Tropical Freeze, Mario Tennis and Labo all do well.
But I thought Nintendo was doomed based on the negativity in the comments on this site?
Anyone who says Labo is a bomba is a hater.
Kirby done well. 1-2 switch sales are amazing for what it is
Quarterly hardware shipments / LTD sales comparison:
3DS Q1 2011: 3.61 million / 3.61 million (Feb/Mar launch)
3DS Q2 2011: 0.71 million / 4.32 million
3DS Q3 2011: 2.36 million / 6.68 million (price cut in August)
3DS Q4 2011: 8.35 million / 15.03 million
3DS Q1 2012: 2.10 million / 17.13 million
3DS Q2 2012: 1.86 million / 19.00 million
Switch Q1 2017: 2.74 million / 2.74 million (Mar launch)
Switch Q2 2017: 1.96 million / 4.70 million
Switch Q3 2017: 2.93 million / 7.63 million
Switch Q4 2017: 7.24 million / 14.86 million
Switch Q1 2018: 2.93 million / 17.79 million
Switch Q2 2018: 1.88 million / 19.67 million
Are they expecting Pokemon and Smash to sell 15m Switches these holidays? Cause the goal is still 38m by March, if I recall correctly.
Nintendo's quarterly software shipments / LTD sales comparison:
3DS Q1 2011: 9.43 million / 9.43 million (Feb/Mar launch)
3DS Q2 2011: 4.54 million / 13.97 million
3DS Q3 2011: 3.59 million / 17.56 million
3DS Q4 2011: 19.90 million / 37.46 million
3DS Q1 2012: 7.96 million / 45.42 million
3DS Q2 2012: 7.39 million / 52.81 million
Wii U Q4 2012: 11.69 million / 11.69 million (Nov.Dec launch)
Wii U Q1 2013: 1.73 million / 13.42 million
Wii U Q2 2013: 1.03 million / 14.54 million
Wii U Q3 2013: 5.27 million / 19.71 million
Wii U Q4 2013: 9.66 million / 29.37 million
Wii U Q1 2014: 2.91 million / 32.28 million
Switch Q1 2017: 5.46 million / 5.46 million (March launch)
Switch Q2 2017: 8.14 million / 13.60 million
Switch Q3 2017: 13.88 million / 27.48 million
Switch Q4 2017: 25.08 million / 52.57 million
Switch Q1 2018: 16.40 million / 68.97 million
Switch Q2 2018: 17.96 million / 86.93 million
Switch software sales are insane - this was the biggest non-holiday quarter ever for software sales on a Nintendo platform since 2011.
Ok who in there right mind would buy Labo a cardboard toy instead of any other game like let's say Kirby Star Allies while not the best game at least it's a game and not a cardboard toy
@RETRO_J
That's what I thought before E3
Has there ever been nintendo console which has seen software sales so healthy.
The software numbers are ridiculously high.
@kobashi100
The DS and the Wii are the only Nintendo platforms that have experienced better non-holiday software sales than the Switch.
@westman98 @RETRO_J
NL should be paying you guys/gals- you provided info they really could have. Thank you!
Or maybe NL could hire a proofreader? Only 102 units of WiiU software all up? Hmmm.
@Heavyarms55 Exactly. They're doomed to fail. Pre-order cancelled
@RETRO_J Don't recall telling ya what ya can do. I deleted the post coz you seem overly defensive so sorry. Just saying, I wouldn't expect an announcement that is going to outdo Pokémon this year and also, don't underestimate it's pulling power.
@GKO900 People like things you don't like. It's a good thing.
Mario Kart 8 DX is now the 4th best-selling game in the series, behind Mario Kart Wii, DS, and 7. It will probably sell ~5 million copies this fiscal year, and will be on it's way to outselling all other games in the series outside of the Wii iteration.
Mario Odyssey will outsell Mario Galaxy by the end of the year to become the best-selling 3D Mario game of all time.
Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze on the Switch has outsold the Wii U version.
Mario Tennis Aces is by far the fastest-selling Mario Tennis game ever. It will become the best-selling Mario Tennis game by the end of the year.
Wii U sold 13.56 million units and 102.28 games.
Switch sold 19.67 million units and 86.93 games.
Wow, Wii U sold more games with less units than Switch. That makes Wii U more successful than Switch, considering how little games it had!
Good.
A clever marketing move. Replace the flawed Wii U with a new console and then reissue all the Wii u games for the new console.
The new console will have a stream of new games for all the gamers that did not buy the Wii u.
But what about the gamers who DID buy the Wii u? They will already have bought and played these games? They are loyal, they will be the first to buy the new console, so they will buy the games again.
Really? Oh yes!
i am not so sure Nintendo will manage to sell 20 million units this fiscal year, even if Pokemon Go and Smash are going to be the hits they expect. Even if they have more surprises up their sleeves it will be difficult target to make. the 100 million pieces of software for this fiscal year do seem a more realistic target it seems seeing they sold 18 million this quarter. In the end, we will have to wait and see if the Pokemon Go franchise will be the system seller they hope it is going to be and what kind of surprises they have up their sleeves for the remainder of the year to see how close they will get to their target.
@Nincompoop, over a 3 times longer period. Switch will have sold more units software before end of next Quarter.
Good numbers and all, but I feel like Nintendo were too bullish with their 20million prediction.
Nintendo Q1: 1.88mil , 20mil 18/19
Sony Q1: 3.2mil, 17mil 18/19 (+1)
Nintendo have probably overshot & Sony under. I think both at 19mil is more realistic.
The Switch is going to need a holiday price cut if it’s going to hit 20mil.
@RETRO_J All the system sellers announced so far (Smash and Pokemon) are lined up for the holiday season. DKTF and Labo sold nicely but they're no system sellers. Still it's quite the challenge. If they sell at same rate outside the holiday season they'll need to sell around 16 million Switches during Q4 and around it.
I don't know what surprises they have for this year, but I think ports and/or psuedo-sequels (like Splatoon 2) of Wii U Mario and Zelda HD games will be helpful.
I can't see Switch hitting the 20m target for year 2. Not at the price it's at. Pokémon sells so well on cheaper hardware. The price of a Switch is nearly 100% more than that of a 3DS. That will impact Pokémon sales.
I'm personally starting to doubt Nintendo's 20 million units forecast for the Switch this fiscal year. Nintendo needs to ship 18.1 million Switches from July 2018 to March 2019, and that's going to be quite difficult to achieve, though Switch holiday 2018 sales will undoubtedly be huge and should show massive growth over holiday 2017 sales. I think 18 million is a more likely figure, which is still an amazing, but not quite at the magical 20 million figure.
On the other hand, Nintendo is well on their way to shipping 100+ million copies of Switch software during the fiscal year. I wouldn't be surprised if they shipped 110+ million Switch games with the way things are going.
@zool
Get over it. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has sold 10 million, outselling the Wii u version comfortably and will continue to sell well. It was number 2 on the UK individual formats charts this week, a year after its release. Donkey Kong has sold 1.4 million. People WILL rebuy them, as I have, along with new people buying them.
The strategy has worked for Nintendo. Dry your eyes.
@Fight_Teza_Fight Pokémon go was downloaded 752million times! If they want Let's Go to appeal to that audience and maybe sell 10 million then they are chasing like 1.3% of people to buy one. So, looking in the console space, you could consider 20 million as bullish, but from attracting and bringing consumers over, it could be considered rather conservative. I think this is their strategy with mobile gaming and I get people are wanting Animal Crossing on Switch immediately to take advantage of it's release on mobile, but I guess Nintendo want to let their mobile games thrive and build up a base first before asking them to invest in a Switch.
regarding the 20mil est, N is an extremely conservative company with sales, so either they have done an complete about face and now are suddenly over zealous or they know something that we dont ( my guess would be a china launch soon ( which would make the 20 mil conservative )
@bratzdoll Wasn't it shifting 20m in total by march next year? So not 38m but 20m, which is a realistic goal that they're about to pop no problem?
Or did I misunderstand something? xD
@Blizzia I think Bratz means cumulatively. Switch sold 18 mil last fiscal, so another 20 brings it to 38.
@Blizzia I think it was " 20 million Switch systems in the current financial year", that is besides the first year sales.
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2018/04/nintendo_expects_to_sell_another_20_million_switch_consoles_this_financial_year
@GKO900
"Ok who in there right mind would buy Labo a cardboard toy instead of any other game like let's say Kirby Star Allies while not the best game at least it's a game and not a cardboard toy"
Me !
I will buy LABO Toy Con 01 Variety Kit on September 2018, LABO Toy Con 03 Vehicle Kit on January 2019.
@Anti-Matter 😅
@Nincompoop That would be true but, that's WiiU lifetime sales. 5 years. The Switch has only been out a year and a half. So after WiiU hardware sales slowed way down, people still bought games for a while.
@bratzdoll ah okay. I hadn't really bothered reading those articles because they weren't all that interesting (pretty much Nintendo being optimistic and people going "yeah!" "ah ok" "impossible" and so on.), but 38m does seem quite optimistic... SSBU and Pokémon Let's Go will shift a good amount but I'm guessing they've got a heavy-hitter out for the final bit of the fiscal year as well if they want to get anywhere near that.
@GraillUK
Yeah, I was more thinking about whether 20m was the goal in total or that was for the second fiscal year. Seems a bit steep but I guess they know something we don't Could see a good amount of units with all the quality games we're getting in the 2nd half of 2018, but 20m is a lot before the end of the second fiscal year.
@GrailUK Go is the real wildcard. As I said in another article I wonder how much of a cross-over there is between the Nintendo games?
With all the high profile Nintendo FP games out, how many pick up a Switch specially for Smash that haven’t already?
Go as you mentioned targets a much broader- casual if you will, audience, but are those prepared to buy a full price Switch + Game?
It’ll undoubtedly do well, but I don’t know if it can carry the entire Fiscal year to 20mil Switches sold.
Nintendo should’ve done what Sony did. Aim low, then amend at each quarter. I fear them aiming for 20mil from the get-go and then missing it, is going to cause the stock to come tumbling down again.
I thought 20 million was already achieved in april? what happened the last 4 months
@Nincompoop yeah, but the wii u did that over its entire lifetime. The switch only has a year and half of software to sell. It’ll overtake soon enough.
@Fight_Teza_Fight
I agree, they should have forecast, say 17 mil which would have been an improvement on last FY then revised up if the opportunity allows. They’ve now put themselves in the ridiculous situation where they could sell 18 million systems this FY for a user base of 35 million, an amazing result by any measure, but have disappointed against their forecast.
This isn’t as bad as the year they forecast 9 million Wii U sales and sold 2.88 million but it seems a bit self defeating.
Aside from hardware sales, I thought that 100 million software sales forecast wa soptinistic but no. Software sales are astonishingly good.
@SBandy some folk have more money than sense or need to get a life outside of playing games.
Total sales will grow if gamers buy more than one copy of a game. Marketing works a lot of the time and its working on you. 😀
@PALversusNTSC
It wasn’t achieved in April. Not sure where you heard that.
@bratzdoll
Think so. Still each time a new pokemon gets release their a spike in handheld sales. Same for console each time smash is released. Now if that is enough to help sell 18mil I don't know
Still the financial year end in March right?So maybe they got one or two big games in the first three months of 2019
“The powerful performance of the Switch has enabled Nintendo to post net sales of $1,513 billion”
Do you mean 1.5 billion? 1,513 billion seems way too high
@Alpha008 I am talking about the ratio between console sold and games sold.
@zool
I wanted the games on Switch so i got them on Switch, marketing has naff all to do with it.
Also something tells me you aren't exactly life of the party in the real world pal.
@SBandy your opinion is yours mine is mine. If you respond to someone in the fashion you did to my post, expect similar back or don't respond.
@electrolite77 Yeah that’s pretty much it. Seems much better when you keep exceeding expectations, the having to play catch up.
@zool
I accept that. Have a good one.
Let’s clear something up here.
Nintendo aren’t forecasting 20 million sales off the back of Mario Party, Pokemon Let’s Go and Smash.
They’re forecasting 20 million sales off the back of Mario Party, Pokemon Let’s Go, Smash, BOTW, Mario Odyssey, Splatoon 2, DKC, Kirby, Mario Tennis etc
Likewise Sony aren’t forecasting 17m PS4 sales off Spider-Man and this years third party games. They’re forecasting 17m PS4 sales off Spider-Man, the rest of this years games, God of War, Horizon, Uncharted 4, Bloodborne etc.
It’s all about the library.
'3DS sold 0.36 million units this quarter (61.9 percent down on last year)'
Hopefully that's the end of the 3DS and ALL focus is on the Switch from now on.
@GKO900
I bought the Nintendo Labo Variety-Kit, but I didn't buy Kirby. Got a problem with it? 😎
@s4ndm4n Yes, it should read $1.513 billion. There's no way they have made over one trillion dollars in sales.
Total sales have been a little lower than I expected (I would have predicted 22-24 million by now). I do slightly worry that Nintendo is putting a bit too much hope on SSBU (which personally I still don’t see as the major system seller some claim it to be) and Pokemon Let’s Go (which could be but it needs clever marketing to grab onto part of that Pokemon Go fanbase). I foresee a Switch Let’s Go bundle and ads on P-Go.
@Nincompoop The attach rate tends to be higher for less successful consoles as the majority of buyers tend to be dedicated gamers who buy many titles of multiple genres. The Wii and DS had low attach rates because lots if people bought it for just one or a few titles. In contrast Wii U, Dreamcast, etc all probably have much higher attach rates due to a small but dedicated fan base.
Also do the sales include digital? Being capable of portable play I imagine several people may have shifted to digital for convenience.
"86.93 Switch games have been sold since day one."
Damn, Nintendo really is doomed.
@FX102A
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/
@zool
I think the strategy of porting Wii U games has been pretty conclusively vindicated now. It’s business at its crudest but anintendo aren’t too worried about Wii U owners. By definition they’re serious Nintendo fans and if Odyssey, Xenoblade 2 and Splatoon 2 didn’t get them then it’ll be Smash or Fire Emblem or Metroid Prime 4 or in the future Mario Maker 2 or Animal Crossing or Starfox GP. They can play the long game there.
@Fight_Teza_Fight nah, never low ball estimates for various reasons (even if it opens you up to minor embarrassment).
Third party publishers will make their investment decisions and set budgets based on projected sales. You need to set them high for that reason.
There’s some astounding results in the reports today about software sales that will soften the blow for publishers dramatically but they may only be on board because of the initial hardware sales projection.
@EightBitMan Switch has already sold more than Gamecube everywhere in the world, with the exception of the US.
@FX102A
Your general point is absolutely right. However Wii having an attach rate is one of those gaming urban myths hat isn’t really true. It had an attach rate of 9.05 compared to GameCube with 9.59 and N64 with 6.83. 3DS is currently 5.04.
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/hard_soft/index.html
Slightly behind PS4 with 1 less holiday in same timeframe, i see that as a win no matter what way you slice it.
Good job Nintendo
So does that mean an average switch owner owns 4.3 games? Oops my library already counts over 70 physical games. Does that mean I am a nerd?
Nintendo Switch has sold 19.67 million units to date. Thus proving investors wrong yet again.
@RETRO_J
They never said "sell" but "SHIP" the 20 m - that is a big difference.
Nice. But let’s not settle down in success, Nintendo still needs first party titles and there is literally nothing between here and Pokémon if I recall correctly.
@PixelStef , these are only Nintendo 1st party software, not 3rd part software. with SMO, BOTW, ARMS, SPL2TOON, MK8 DLX, DKTF, Captain Toad i am a bit above average but not much (have about 29 games in total so rest is 3rd party/indy)
@zool It's almost like there were no new fantastic games for the switch... oh wait there are! I had a huge library on my wii u and only bought one game again for the switch (because the wii u disc had malfunctions). I still game regularly and had no problems finding new good games to play. My backlog is getting bigger and bigger in fact. So i see no reason why wii u ports should be a bad thing. And if someon decises to douple or triple-dip, that's on them and not nintendo.
So basically we talk about 20 Millions right now...
Who knows how is it dispatched between EU/US/JP ?
@GKO900 about 1.3 million people so far.
While this is good, the worrying sign here is that 25% of these sales come from a single market (Japan), now i can see Nintendo to continue a strong showing in their home turf, i would expect the Switch to exceed 25m lifetime sales in Japan.
But...and there is a huge But...
At this currently projection i don't see them getting past 25m lifetime sales in the global market outside Japan, which would put them below lifetime sales of 50m (i'd say between 40 to 50, if they carry on fumbling around outside Japan), which after the disastrous flop of the WiiU, that is simply not good enough, especially if the Switch replaces their handheld market as well.
This could all change with some decently timed 3rd party AAA exclusives (more of Octopath), access to more form of media entertainment (YouTube, Netflix, Amazon Prime ect...) as well us basic online functions like a coherent chat function and friend adding function that isn't so laborious. Better showing at E3 (they need to get that right...), and allow user review on Indie games if your gonna flood your Eshop with it.
Without these things in place and if the Switch really is going to take over Nintendo's handheld division, they need to do a lot more than even this, but this would be a start (some would say 17 months too late, many of those functions should have been out of the box stuff).
@WiltonRoots said "about 1.3 million people so far."
Absolutely not ! They shipped 1.3 Million Labo.
And even if I can talk only for the surrounding of where I live, the stores are full of Labos... so, it's difficult to estimate the number they actally sold to clients.
@Drussa
Oops I did not read properly then! Thanks for pointing that out!
@Rockstar
That means you can sell another 20 million copies of GTA V, bringing you to 120 million!
@StormtheFrontier Last year Nintendo had 1 top tier title , Mario Kart 8 Deluxe and 1 mid tier title, Arms, for the quarter. This year they had 3 mid tier titles, two of which were ports of Wii U games, and then Mario Tennis.. And then Sushi Striker, but that didn't sell much at all. Without a title like Mario Kart, it's not surprising that the Switch sold less.... They backloaded this year with their biggest titles in the Holiday season so the real test will be then. I do hope they have one more first party title coming out this year.
@Cobalt Wow do you go round stores doing stocktaking? Interesting hobby, most stores have staff who do that.
Strange how their report says "Sales of Nintendo Labo series overall reached 1.39 million units."
@Denoloco Nintendo just published Octopath (at least outside of Japan) so that counts I guess. But there's Super Mario Party in October, which you know is going to sell. If Mario Party 10 can sell, so can Super Mario Party.
And in September there's Xenoblade 2: Torna, the Golden Country expansion that's standalone and can be bought on its own for $40. You don't need the base game for the expansion, so if you weren't sold on the main game you might be on the expansion depending on what interests you.
August is the only deadzone, but there's still substantial stuff to play until Pokemon. Especially third-parties right about now with Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate and the like.
@Heavyarms55 being a little over dramatic don’t you think? Sony PS4 had the same sales figures in the same time span, and with Pokémon and smash coming out this year, along with other surprises I think Nintendo Switch will do just fine.
Nintendo Switch VR HEADSET added 30 million units sold. Like PS4 does it.
@iammikegaines I think Heavyarms was joking.
@WiltonRoots
I suppose you're American, right ?
@FlimFlam wow, I totally see that now... @Heavyarms55 well clearly I misread your original post 😂
Switch: 1.88 million
PS4: 3.2 Million
All about the games and The west. Still, 1.88 million is not bad. They just needed a big game in there.
Xenoblade Chronicles 2: 1.42 million. 🙂
Nintendoom!
Could you imagine how much higher this figure could have been if Nintendo had released a steady stream of new exclusive content in 2018 instead of just rehashing old titles this year?
Good numbers in a vacuum, but for investors, they probably wanted to see an extra 1-2 million hardware units sold. But they will sell an absurd amount at holiday with Smash and Pokemon. This year's been slow, but starting Winter going into next year, they should have another really strong period.
a year on year drop after only the second year suggests momentum is slowing. Nintendo needs to stand up to the challenge and surprise us again. A price drop, streaming apps, gamecube games emulation, new third party games and exclusive third party games would help.
@EvilLucario
Yeah I totally forgot about Mario Party. Monster Hunter is a no brainer but I detest turned based RPGs (sadly) so nothing there for me. Obviously, Nintendo can surprise us any day with a Direct.
Pokemon and Smash won’t push 20 mil
@GKO900
Personally, I would rather spend my own hard-earned cash on the plethora of RPG's and indie titles on Switch. But, think about it like this - Labo comes with the software package, while also offering the user the chance to create something in real life and allow it to interface with the software. It's not a new experience, for those who have used a raspberry pi to build a controller per se, but it's a streamlined way for the average gamer to get in there and create. A younger relative of mine purchased the Labo robot, and absolutely loved it. Nintendo are offering a great variety of choices for their new machine, and that's a good thing I think. That said, here's hoping that they can continue to deliver to the core gamer a throughout the Switch's lifespan.
@Agramonte
Be carefull with that number ^^
You cannot imagine how many collector editions were bought just to speculate.
But whatever in a pure business way, sold is sold !
@StormtheFrontier
It took PS4 five years to reach 73M units shipped. The only year it actually beat Nintendo's first year numbers was last year. And PS4's the current category leader. If Nintendo produces AAA "must have" software, I don't see why it can't reach PS4's sales in four instead of five years. This is a fairly dry year, but we're still looking at Metroid 4, the first non-Game Boy mainstream Pokemon title, probably another Zelda, and who knows what else in the next few years? I'm not that worried.
@Denoloco I see. Though, Xenoblade isn't turn-based, it's action with broad turn-based gameplay feelings, but it's still an action game. It's not quite as freeform as something like Ys VIII which is completely real-time with active dodging/blocking, but Xenoblade is not a turn-based RPG. Look into that if that interests you.
@RETRO_J super smash bros and Pokemon themselves are going to move tons of units. A lot of parents are interested already and Labo gives non gamers a good reason but they are holding out until the holidays.
@jockmahon The only time where they've been extremely off is with the Wii U, and the only reason for that was it did so badly it caught them off guard.
@Cobalt Yeah, I hear you. I cant find any data if they units in channel or sold. it will probably hover at that number for a few quarters as they clear them out.
@Nincompoop you still aren’t understanding - those are lifetime system and software sales for Wii U - the switch has been out dramatically less time and has surpassed it in hardware and software (in less than 2 years time by time it does) . It’s not that hard to understand
@Ensemen Nothing wrong with ports the more the merrier. But not instead of new games.
When I played a game , that's it. Move on look for something new. And something new is what the Switch is short of
@zool
Cannot say better than that ! +1
@zool Exactly!!! They can be there, but not take the "new game" slot.
@Denoloco Monster Hunter isn't a turn based RPG. All action baby.
@RETRO_J
I think they’re being unusually clever and after years of firefighting they have a clear plan (aside from Fire Emblem slipping). They’re amassing a very strong library with a clutch of quality exclusives and entries in other big franchises (Donkey Kong, Mario Kart) that are new to most people that didn’t have a Wii U.
What do mass market buyers want from a Nintendo machine? Mario, Zelda, Mario Kart, Pokemon, Smash, Donkey Kong, Splatoon, Kirby. Come the Christmas shopping season they’re all on the shelves. The indie overload adds depth and handheld-type experiences and third party software is stronger than usual for a Nintendo system (e.g.Fortnite, Monster Hunter, Minecraft, Paladins etc). The hardware is intrinsically attractive which helps though a price cut may be a good idea. So would streaming apps.
That said, I agree with you in that they’ll disappoint investors by just falling short. That may change with something else before Christmas (even the rumoured NSMBU port would help considerably) or something big in early 2019. However they may please investors immensely by blowing through that 100 million software estimate. 17.96 million already is phenomenal.
@EvilLucario
Alright, thanks for the info. I’ll check Xeno2 out.
@itslukec
I know dude, that’s why wrote the game to be a no brainer purchase for myself. I was talking about the highly praised Octopath Traveller.
Wow - actually came a lot closer to the 20 mil than I thought they would.
@WiltonRoots these new trolls are even dumber than the old ones.. at least they could be entertaining in their stupidity and a fair few were genuine Nintendo fans experiencing a severe disappointment with the Wii U. But what they seem to have in common with the new trolls is that apparently they go around stores counting stock (of Labo now, of the Wii U then). Because we know that Nintendo is making their policies according to the anecdotal evidence of Cobalt
@zool plenty of new games dog, tune in on Thursdays to check the weekly update. Otherwise, your concern is noted and your award for having played and completed more than 700 games in a year awaits you
@AirElephant I'm not that worried either. I've had plenty of enjoyment out of my Switch but then again I'm a consumer not an investor.
Honest question, do you think the Switch will sell 17 million units by the end of the Financial year? Because that's the point I'm making.
Oh I can just hear the Switch haters now lol, poor saps.
@zool But do they actually take away new game slots? I'm pretty sure ports are done by other studios than those developing software. Don't quote me on that though.
And i don't think that the lack of new games is on nintendo, i'm pretty sure that they use all the capacities they have to make new games. I don't expect them pumping out masterpieces after the stellar last year.
And i still don't get how people can complain that there is nothing to play. There are tons of awesome games on the eshop that i still need to try and i game everyday.
@zool Are YS8, Shining Resonance, Wolfenstein, Vespyria, Valkyria, Dark Souls, Dragonball Fighter Z, etc. etc. not new to you? Did you already play these on other platforms such as YS 8 that's been on PS4 for a few months with several sales already but already outsold the PS4 version on Switch at full price? Maybe you've played Dark Souls or Fighter Z or wolf on XBox. Possibly a few years ago you played the original release of Shining Resonance....correction, シャイニング・レゾナンス. あなたは日本語に堪能ですか? Maybe you played Tales of Vespyria on the OG X-BOX or Dreamcast. But I've yet to find others that have managed to get ahold of beta builds of the HD remaster that was one of the keynotes to Microsoft's XBox One conference a few weeks ago. And it's indeed quite impressive if you've played the new Valkyria already. Nobody has seen much of that at all outside the Sega E3 booth. Perhaps your copy of Xenoblade 2 came with the Torna: Golden Country prequel last year and you've already played it? You lucky dog. And the HD remake of Pokemon Yellow on WiiU was fantastic. I'm glad they're porting it to Switch for the people that didn't own a WiiU.
It's really such a shame that there are no new games on Switch. I'll just go back to playing Vespyria on my X1 and Valkyria on my PS4. Wait...pre-ordered? Available in 38 days? What is this dark magic?
@gcunit We're still missing the potential of "Switch Mini" at a budget price coming out before the holiday. Nintendo has a habit of randomly dropping a "2DS" out of nowhere with no fanfare or rumor randomly on a Tuesday. I'm not sure they're going to do it this year (they'll do it next year for sure with Pokemon 2019) but that's a significant possibility still. It would still be "Switch hardware sales" as with "3DS family sales."
I always thought Switch Mini would be a dedicated handheld, but heck they could make a PSVita TV type device for $150 just for playing on the TV. It would help sell LGP/E for family markets while not really cannibalizing the $300 full Switch since most people buying it buy it for the handheld abilities.
@Denoloco Ohhh haha. I get easily confused. Carry on.
Console sales are slowing down. In one way, that's a good thing. Maybe this will give Nintendo pressure to release the next iteration of Switch earlier than expected? I'm ready for the Switch Mini, Nintendo.
The problem with the Nintendo Switch in general is that it's easy to justify buying it to play a hand full of the games that have been released so far, that are worth buying a console for. But its hard to justify keeping it after you play 4 or 5 of the games you want to play. Without media functions coupled with the limited AAA games library, especially from 3rd parties, you are sort of left with an item that wont be switched on for weeks at a time while you wait for a new game to arrive.
Essentially an over priced dust collector.
Granted that the 4 or 5 games alone are more than worth the price of admission, beyond that, it becomes hard to justify continued adoption.
That is quite impressive actually. I hope to see it over take the highest selling console of all time although..that could be a bit of a pipedream.
These are good results, as everyone knew the 2nd year would be tough without a new Zelda or Mario out in the same year, and with most third parties games due out next year. Most third parties did not start developing for the Switch until well after launch, and as such you won’t see new games until next year.
But the additions of Fortnight, Labo, and others definitely kept sales from falling further. I’d also venture that Mario & Zelda are still the main draw as these are timeless games and especially the last two. The end of the year should be very strong with Smash and Pokémon being released.
Considering no huge games have been released recently beyond a few, a modest 4% drop in sales is much better than most analyst expected and that’s why the stock is up today. I previously bought the stock at $30 & $36 and sold out at $57. If it falls below $40 again soon, I’m back in. It’s at $42.20 as of this writing. Id consider going back in pre Xmas if it’s below $45.
Overall, a solid performance that shows interest in the system remains high.
@Razer You're still viewing Switch through the lens of the dedicated gamer. The hardcore gamer is kind of a unicorn. For Nintendo it makes up a fraction of their market. But even for PS it makes up a fraction. XBox probably has the most "dedicated" market of the consoles.
Your mindset is that it's a console that after 1.5 years on the shelf is easy to justify for a few games, but hard to justify after 4-5 games you want to play. And you're right on track. The Switch has an attach rate of 4.4:1. Meaning on average (the people that bought 30 games and the people that bought 1 game average out to about 4.4 games per person.)
You note that as a bad thing. It's the opposite. The mighty PS4 that everyone wants to compare Switch to as of Jun 2017 had an attach rate of 8:1. That's exceedingly high, above even mighty PS2. I'm not sure if that number has increased or decreased in the past year. But at that point in time that was 4.5 years on the market, a full 3 years more on the market, with that much larger a library that far into its life. Think about this. At 1.5 years on shelves, switch has a little over half the per-owner software purchases PS4 had 4.5 years into its life. If people buy just two games per year, the attach rate will considerably exceed that of mighty PS4 at the same point in its lifecycle. All without deep discount sales that helped move a lot of software for Sony, meaning each sale nets higher margin.
And there's the little secret between business and enthusiasts. You think gamers buy dozens of games per year. They do, you're right. But a lot of people buy only a few games per console. For all the people buying 100+ PS4/XBox games like me, there's people that bought only one. The average for PS4 comes out to about 8 games per console per person....lifetime. Or about 1.2 per year on average. Switch is selling games at twice that rate so far.
At 1.5 years in, if most people are buying 4-5 games, it pretty much blows PS4 and X1, and nearly all prior consoles, Wii and DS excluded, out of the water in terms of average per-owner software sales. And Wii lost a lot of attach rate in it's final few years so it's final average isn't as great as the early years looked, though still excellent. Switch has a more dedicated audience than Wii had, given the types of games that are selling.
@Razer
But see, that depends on your taste. The older adults that play Switch, like myself, go back all the time as it’s portable and easy to use. Despite owing all consoles, I tend to go back to the switch as I won’t hog the family tv and be left alone in my gaming. I can pick up & play as my wife watches tv and I have a huge library of Nintendo, old school arcade games and indies to keep me busy. And I own an Xbone S, PS4, PSVR and a ton of old consoles dating back to the mid 80s. Some of you are selling the system short, but for many it definitely hits the spot.
Sell Sell Sell! Fantastic numbers for a fantastic system.
Lameo.. would of thought it sold about 35 mil ... Meh it'll do another WiiU unless they give us the games we want
@NEStalgia The problem starts when you complete the games you want to play, you run out of reasons to use it, this is because of non-existent media functions outside of Hulu which isn't available in the UK anyway.
This actually plays a huge part in people perception factor for casual gamers for the console. How likely is it that a casual gamer who adopted the Switch, played the 4 - 5 games he/she wanted to play, then continues to closely follow the news for new games?
Yeah maybe for about a month after adoption, but within 3 months they will stop searching, and by enlarge they would stop using their Nintendo Switch because it doesn't offer anything past the 4 or 5 games they have completed. Given 6 months and you have lost these people, most will have sold their devices and moved on, others you'd only be able to entice for one or 2 game purchases a year and outside of the time it takes to complete those, no more usage on their Nintendo Switch. This could change with actual media content that would allow people to continue using their device and therefore search for news related to that device.
Hardcore gamers do not fall into this category but as you said hardcore gamers make up a small portion of the market... The bulk of Nintendo Switch users, or any gamers, will be casual gamers who game to pass the time, so in fact you sort of just proved my point on how this can be very bad for Nintendo.
@Agent721 Most casual gamers are actually adults and last i checked casual gamers don't do replays, which is why most play games on the mobile medium as games are cheap and you can easily move onto the next best thing.
its been 17 months since the Switch release and realistically there is only 4 or 5 games (as the attach rate suggests) that are worth playing, with the non-existent media platform, what do you do after you complete the 4 or 5 games?
I dont know many adult hard core gamers that can sit through the same game 2 or 3 times playing different difficulty settings... do you?
@kobashi100 Maybe Nintendo DS? The software sales are out of control. This is anectdotal, but it seems like there are millions of PS4 and XB1 owners that pick up FIFA/ Madden, GTA, CoD, and call it a generation. Switch owners are playing games boy! It's like 8:1 in it's second year? Bananas.
@Agent721 You got an old iPad? Same problem here - solved it with an App and an old iPad with remoteplay when she watching TV. Also, great when the little ones come and visit and use the Switch docked to keep them entertained in the family room.
I've done like 20hrs of Ninokuni 2 this way. How I plan to get enough TV time for Dragon Quest XI 🙂
I use a Medialink AC1200 ($65 on Amazon) for my router... runs like butter on my network (PS4 and PC need to be via Ethernet port)
@NEStalgia @Ensemen OK, I play half a dozen new games a year and a few 3ds games. I don't have an xbox/PS and I don't want to play a game just because there is nothing else. Oh and I only buy physical games. I Played most of last years Switch games; well the one I want to play. I owned a Wii u so don't want to play ports.
I'm not left with much right now. Fire Emblem and Yoshi were pulled and Nintendo shares are falling and Nintendo is keeping schtum.
What do you mean "As you might imagine"? LOL. All the doom and gloom reports and now strong report and stock is increasing again. As expected by some, but not what some reports tried to hint.
its this simple really:
If your only going to do games, you need to make sure there is a new release AAA game every single month, meaning there should now be at least 12 must have games on the Switch, but there is maybe 5 at most and by 12 must have, i mean on par with Mario Odyssey or BOTW or the same level as Octopath from 3rd parties.
If you cannot do the above mentioned then you NEEEED to have a robust media environment to make up the time in-between release of AAA games.
If you do neither then expect your stock to fall (check) sales to slump (Check) and eventually people will start talking about Nintendo going third party again (pending)
Not bad Nintendo. Not bad considering the Switch has been out for less than a year and a half. Now Nintendo just has to keep the momentum with great games!
If Nintendo keeps up the momentum for Switch, there's no reason why those numbers won't keep growing!
Not surprised about the 3DS slowing down. I love the system, but it needs to be gently eased into retirement at this point Imo.
@Razer
I find plenty of games to play. Zelda alone lasted me nearly a year, so I have a huge backlog to play on the Switch. Perhaps the games on the Switch don’t appeal to you, but they do to me and I am far from running out of things to play. And that’s why it’s selling well! There’s a ton of games to play. It’s bizarre we’re arguing this!
@Agramonte
That is a cool set up. Thanks for the tips! My wife loves Persona V and Ni No Kuni, so nice to see your set up!!
@Razer if you seriously think Nintendo is going third party you need your head checked. Seriously, see a doctor, all this Doom and gloom over videogames is not healthy
@zool You're a Wii U owner who doesn't have a second console and only buys physically? That description applies to about 37 people, hardly a market that's profitable in catering to. You might want to lower your expectations.
@Agent721 I respect that you have an open minded preference but not everyone is the same, i have a friend that can find the fun in angry birds.... how? i dont actually know. but there ya go.
Personally i dont think most fall into this category and especially not Nintendo gamers and there is defo a shortage of AAA games and news for future AAA games, especially from 3rd parties.
Let me put it another way... there is no more than 5 games on the Nintendo Switch that are worth buying this console for and i would say 1 is an 7 year old port (Skyrim for the portability). If you happen to purchase the console on the merit of those 5 games, would you expect to lower your expectations because "this is how Nintendo does it"... no, you'd likely move on.
Selling well for now... luckily Nintendo is still riding a mid level wave (that was very high in 2017), this is set to change if they dont alter their game plan going forward.
@GKO900 Primarily kids that enjoy building/learning? Not everything is designed with every consumer in mind. I simultaneously love that Labo exists, and have no interest in it whatsoever.
@gortsi Everyone is entitaled to their own opinions.
I see a 17 month old console with only a handful of games worth buying a console for, with NO media function whatsoever, with big investment companies now betting against them, sales outside of their own home turf has fallen off a cliff and gamers even in this site saying "there just isn't anything to play"
You can live in your bubble all you want but reality wont stop happening... the proof all points to lack luster performance and a lack luster outlook...
@Filth_Element PLEASE NO.
I just have to finish more than half of my games of 2017 !!!
Awesome numbers, just wait when the system sellers arive.
the switch id still a hot item.
@PanurgeJr you have got wrong information, maybe by not reading the posts correctly.
@Agent721 Oh cool. She only sees me play. Gets a kick how much games look like an Anime now. She more into Mobile iOS games.
My original plan was to buy a PSVR just for the TV mode. But this way I can still be with everyone in the room. Sitting there with a Helmet on seemed a bit antisocial.
@zool Well how about I copy and paste what you wrote in comment 131:
I don't have an xbox/PS
Oh and I only buy physical games.
I owned a Wii u
If I have wrong information it's not because I can't read.
@Razer the only one living in a bubble is you. I'm sure it must be hard that reality clashes with your feelings and all that, but thankfully the only one that feels like you do is yourself and about five other trolls on this website. Everyone else is just enjoying stuff and laughs at those who have been predicting the same fallacy for more than 20 years now. Still, I'd recommend checking in with your GP
@Razer
I agree on the lack of media apps though I think it’s a curious oversight rather than a fatal blow. However I don’t think any system in history has had a AAA release every month. That simply isn’t possible or realistic.
@zool
"A clever marketing move. Replace the flawed Wii U with a new console and then reissue all the Wii u games for the new console."
But what's going to happen with the Switch 2? Big droughts? Or are they going to re-release Switch games and hope nobody notices?
@Agramonte
It is. I just got one and it makes everyone else leave. 😂Cool piece of tech though, still discovering its possibilities as I’ve only had it for two days, but I like it so far.
@Agramonte Cool setup? Do you have details on those controls? I can't remember, is there an Android app for PS Remote Play as well? Could be a fun Nioh setup. Or Star Ocean.
IIRC there's no XBox Apple or Android app, so I'd have to go with a Surface for XBox remote....I know Sony has Windows apps. I have a huge digital library for X1 and a moderate one for PS4 now so a universal solution for Switch-ifying those could be handy. Still wouldn't get the play time Switch gets though. It's just so nicely integrated and works at the ready.
@Razer Ignoring personal enjoyment and looking at the business end of it, what does Nintendo gain whether you pick up your Switch for Youtube or not? Nothing. If you buy the hardware and buy one game every year that you play for 2 weeks out of the year, they get their money. The same money Sony gets on average. Neither company gets a thing if you're watching videos on it. Sony and MS add those features because they are selling the notion of a multipurpose media device as a reason to buy one and put it under your TV. Nintendo is demonstrating they don't need that carrot to get the same result. "Using your machine more" for anything other than buying software doesn't benefit them. It only benefits them if it makes you more likely to buy a machine and thus games. Of all arguments, the "media streaming" ones really need to be put to rest. If N feels it will boost sales they'll add it, if they don't they won't. But "having reasons to use it" that don't involve buying a new game, doesn't benefit them, or their earnings at all unless not having it is hindering hardware sales that in turn (and this is the important part) lead to lost software sales. That's he debate they are going to be thinking about.
The "casual" gamer isn't really following news for new games. They may take a look in the retail store or online store if they're looking for something new. You are right about the engagement factor influencing advertising effectiveness. But are we looking at a situation where that's negatively impacting them at this time?
Right now their goal is to build the install base, and demonstrate attach rate. These are key numbers when selling the platform to third party publishers. They want to see people buy software before they sign on the line. Enticing a market that will purchase hardware but NOT purchase many games, at this time, actually lowers the attach rate average and harms their numbers for selling the platform to publishers. And by selling the paltform I don't mean for Assassin's Creed, Red Dead, and Battlefield, but the many mid-tier, particularly Japanese devs, particularly those that have been Sony-loyal without being bound by contract. Studios such as Falcom.
Sales are steady. Attach rates are high. Would a video player help or hurt the attach figures. Is giving people a non-revenue generating reason to use the product helpful or harmful? You believe yes, they perhaps believe otherwise. Who is right? I don't know, they're generating billions with their answer. Could they generate more with yours? Who can say? Such decisions aren't always clear cut. What we do know is their answer is not a failing answer. We do not know if yours yields even greater success or not.
@Razer There's a great more than 12 must have games on Switch. They may not meet your taste of must have but they meet many other people's. You can't use your personal taste to determine what the market wants. And only the core buys that many games in a year. No console has ever had an attach rate of 12...that's for the entire generation, not for a year. Individuals buy more than that, but not overall. Like I said I have well over 100 XBox games. How many people had to buy only one game to offset me, alone, in the average to wind up at an attach rate of 6?! The much more typical console owner may look in November and say "hmm, here's the game or two I want to tide me over for the next 6-12 months." The people checking monthly are a niche in the extreme.
"If you cannot do the above mentioned then you NEEEED to have a robust media environment to make up the time in-between release of AAA games."
Almost 20 million people haven't "NEEEED"ed to have a media environment on their Switch. If you're a hardcore gamer, why are you watching Youtube on Switch instead of playing games on your PS4? And if you're casual, how did you not have a media device before a Switch? There's this weird assumption of overlap where I'm not certain there's meanintful overlap.
I'm not saying there's reason to be against having media player apps, but there's just not much reason to have it either. Some may want it but there's not huge reason to offer it. A refurb Roku is like $40 and does the task way better. Who's buying a Switch for that even if it could? You're still basing your observations on what you personally wish the machine could do for you rather than what the market actually expects it to do.
"defo a shortage of AAA games and news for future AAA games, especially from 3rd parties."
Of course there is. Who actually bought a Switch expecting "AAA games" other than some old ports? Like I said it was bought on wishful thinking not really researching your purchase. AAA games are by definition, massive budget games. They are tech demos for showing off what computer animation can do. They are designed for hardware that pushes the limits, or at least is at the entry level of what pushes modern consumer level hardware limits (PS4 is pretty long in the tooth but is still within stones reach of mainstream PC hardware). That's really really different hardware, and the games designed for it, so called AAA games, are designed around utilizing that particular hardware setup. Switch is a very different hardware setup. Those games just aren't designed for a high efficiency, low TDP, environment. Yes, Switch is a home console in many ways, but that doesn't mean it's the same architecture or that the same software that runs on very different home consoles is meant to run on it. If you're looking for AAAs, buy a Playstation, and be done with it. That's the machine that plays the games you're looking for. Switch plays games other people are looking for. Both play different games that I'm looking for.
Note that "AAA" really means "PC games." The point of XBox is to bring PC gaming to the console space. Playstation caved to the publishers demands to just build another PC box with the PS4, and after PS3 they weren't in a position to fight back. Nintendo didn't cave, seeing no opportunity in following along. The PC publishers, or so called "AAAs" just want to make PC games, andthey just want to expand the "portals" through which their games can be played. That's why they want to push into streaming. In their ideal world there's only a datacenter platform, and every phone ever sold is a portal to play their games. In that world, PS/XB would be no more viable to play "AAAs" than a Samsung Galaxy S8. Neither would Switch, but Nintendo is more likely to still do something unique.
Sooner or later "Switch has no games" degenerates into "I really wish I bought a Playstation because I like it's games better."
Switch sales are healthy for Q2, especially for Nintendo who makes most of its earnings in Q4. If sales "fell off a cliff" after Q4, there might be something there.
@Zool That's a fair description of what you want in games, but I'm still left puzzled as to how you're lacking for games this year? Are you looking only at Nintendo first party games? Do you not like RPGs? Counting just the RPGs this year we have Octopath, Ys8, XC2: Torna, Shining Resonance, Valkyria, Tales of Vespyria, DQ: Builders (it was a 'late port' but since you don't have a PS4 it was new for you anyway). That's 7 big games right there! YS8 unperformed on PS4 (did great on Switch), Octopath and XC2 are exclusives, and the rest aren't just big titles on Switch but on all consoles. I mean if you do like RPGs, Switch's lineup looks almost identical to PS4 and XBox's lineup this year (PS4 has Ni No Kuni 2, and for now DQXI but that's coming to Switch too, just later. XBox has less than Switch actually for RPGs right now. The biggest shooter online right now is Fortnite and Paladins....Switch has those. No sports games, fair enough if you're into that. No racing, fair if you're into that...those genres have never been big for Nintendo. Wrong platform if those are your thing. Fighting games you get Fighter Z, BB:CTB (not on XBox, just Switch and PS4), Smash 4.5 (sorry all the "it's smash 5!" people, I'll still side with the cynics on that one...), there's a new Pokemon, albeit a little different it's still a core Pokemon by most observations, there's the main version of "I can't believe it's not Starfox!", Ubi has a bike racing series that's been on other platforms before but never Nintendo....there's a ton of games. You buy half a dozen + games a year, don't have another console so they're all new to you.......what on earth are you looking for if none of this suits you? The only argument against the library this year is from people who both had a WiiU, and played these other games on other consoles already (some of them aren't even out yet on those consoles.) But for you, I can't imagine what it is you're waiting for. Maybe you just don't like games? Or have such specific taste that most games just don't appeal to you? If you don't like RPGs I suppose it's thin, but Nintendo's been an RPG haven on the handheld side for a long time, it's kind of the go-to platform for RPG fans, with PS4 as a secondary so you'll always see an RPG bias on Nintendo.
@Agramonte "Sitting there with a Helmet on seemed a bit antisocial."
It kind of personifies how I'm starting to picture most of the PS4 audience these days though....And I even have one!
@Razer
I’ll agree with you if next year is the same. But many financial analysts and CEOs of third parties, especially in Japan, predicted this would happen, as development of new games started after the Switch launch. But beyond this, I find plenty to play on the Switch and you also cannot dismiss that it’s the only portable console to be able to play Doom and others, which is a huge advantage. Let’s see what the future holds, cheers to the debate.
@GKO900 Labo is still a game. You just use cardboard to play it.
@StormtheFrontier
No, I don't think the Switch will shift 17M units with its currently announced games. IMO most of the players that will be playing SSB already have a Switch. However, what I cannot predict is whether or not Nintendo will go the pack-in route. If they want to juice sales on the platform, they could easily announce a bundle with a digital pack-in game for the holiday season. Nintendo has many tools in its belt that it can use to get the numbers it wants, aside from new games.
And no, I don't think any "major" games will be announced before the next E3. I've always thought that Reggie, who came from a background in advertising, loves hyperbole much more than facts. Even if he claims there are some unannounced titles in the wings, I doubt that any of them will shift systems.
Here’s to many more!
I think I'm most surprised at Labo selling over a 1 million! Good job Nintendo! Now watch. There is gonna be some oddball character based on Labo in Smash Bros Ultimate. If not that, then maybe assist trophy. Heh heh heh
@Razer May i ask why you are here than besides trolling people. You hate nintendo from what ive seen from your comments. Eating soap does not help son plus the switch eshop is nearing 1000 games on the store far more than the other two consoles in their first 2 years.
@NEStalgia The controller is a used GameVice for iOS. But any "MFI" certified controller works the same way. They also work on tons of iOS native games.
https://www.macworld.co.uk/feature/iphone/best-ipad-iphone-games-for-mfi-bluetooth-controllers-3652526/
I use R-Play for PS4 and MOONLIGHT for PC (needs an Nvidia card) You have no R3 or L3 so they map to the Screen (or 2 button combo)
Not sure for Android. But my original try was with an old Xperia Z3 I got on ebay for cheap. It had remoteplay built in - and you can use a clip with the PS4 controller - but didn't work with my PC. I have DQXI coming on PC.
Hmm, not sure about using it with Nioh... I own it but never tried it (yet to finish it). Yes, I've played both StarOcean and ZodiacAge and it works. I mostly use it for jRPGs. If not it would take me 8 months to finish one waiting for the TV 🤣
Yeah... Best way is games like Battle Chasers, Xenoblade 2, Shining on Switch (do most of my item/level grind on the train to work) why doing Valkyria 4 and Ys on Switch. But I don't want to miss out on my other jRPGs you know.
@deafswin37 Methinks you missed the sarcastic tone of Heavyarms' post...
@Agent721 @NEStalgia Oh cool... I would have gotten WipeOUT and EVE: Valkyrie for it
I have the 4 year old PS4 from Day 1 launch - not the PRO or the new ones. So never sure if it will work ok.
Maybe my Christmas gift if they on sale for Black Friday
@RETRO_J Those Xenoblade Chronicles 2 sales make me so proud of Monolith Soft. They pretty much have their future set with Nintendo.
@Agramonte Eeww, screen for R3 and L3! I guess it's not so bad, but the screen-tap controls for R2/L2/R3/L3 are what prevents me from using my Vita for RP. That and HD games really don't look great at 420p on a 5" screen, OLED or not
I'll still have to look into a Surface for that, unfortunately. Curse you MS and your Windows 10-App only client! I just need to find controllers that work on it and make sure it's the "right" Surface that works....not sure if RT versions work with the app.
I just bought WipeOUT and haven't tried it yet. Someone here told me it was amazing but.....intense........ Also have Valkyrie and played the intro section....it's pretty impressive! Really cool for that kind of game. The Batman game can be had for a few bucks and is only an hour or so of real-time Viewmaster but I have to say it's really immersive and great to experience if you get it. Skyrim I have mixed feelings on. It's amazing to see that world "in person". Yet I can't imagine playing a 200 hour RPG in a helmet. I wish it supported save sharing with SE, but alas they treat them as separate games.....
OG PS4 runs it fine. It's a bit blurrier with a bit less texture detail than the Pro, experience certainly is best with Pro, but in most cases it's not too different with OG....the games had to aim for a 120fps minimum on OG PS to certify so few really take advantage of the pro more than a resolution or texture filtering bump. I'd recommend Pro for it, certainly, but it's not a requirement to enjoy using VR, it just enhances it if you use it a lot.
@NEStalgia Oh wow... thanks for all the info. More excited to get it now. Would love if CodeMaster did VR in F1 2018
Yeah, only can do R3/L3 if you do the Xperia/Clip/PS4 controller (or your window way). No idea why. Xperia is pretty much dead at this point. Should just release the Android client to the Android PlayStore.
Well, the WiFi chip on the VITA is also ancient. It would not see the 5G band and tons of lag regardless of my router setting or if did "direct connection" with the PS4. So I gave up on it.
@Agramonte Check in the network (or I think power?) settings to see if "keep wifi on in low power mode" is checked or not. I didn't use my Vita for RP for 4.5 years because of the same complaints. I brought it back out for the Dissidia NT demo in January and discovered the problem: That check box is checked by default! Most people believe it means "keep WiFi connected even when system is in low power mode"
What it really means is "restrict wifi to use only low power mode". It's the most evil default ever. Uncheck that and suddenly RP works waaaay better. It's still 2.4ghz, but assuming no other interference it runs much much better. That said, it's still a Vita, and it still is missing 4 required buttons....
@cleveland124 maybe the old idea of backwards compatible will be implemented again.
@PanurgeJr owned a Switch played the games and how have a Switch. And I don't want to play or buy ports.
@NEStalgia Oh... everything I did was on the Router and PS4 side. Never thought to check the Vita settings. It will be hysterical if that is all I had to do. I still would be missing the PC option I guess and the buttons. But thanks for the tip
@Agramonte Yeah, I spent HOURS combing over every setting years ago. My jaw probably chipped the floor when it dropped after figuring out what that setting is. That it's both on by default, and is the most misleading text ever probably ruined RP, killing Vita as an accessory faster than it should have been. Had I learned that pre-Switch I'd have been ecstatic. Finding out post-Switch it was more like "meh, cool, back to a portable with real buttons..."
Year's not up and closing in on 20 mil? So I'm guessing once SSBU and Pokemon: LG drop, that will easily push them past that number and wouldn't be shocked if that number got up to 25 mil. Numbers, numbers, I'm just glad Nintendo is not only successful, but has a diverse library I can get behind more so than their last successful console Wii.
@electrolite77
It seems strange to me that people think consumers will only buy gaming hardware for software available at the very moment, while ignoring all software that was released before.
Mario Kart 8 DX shipped over 1 million copies over the last quarter and will probably ship ~5 million copies during this fiscal year despite being released during the last fiscal year.
In the same vein, Mario Odyssey, Zelda Breath of the Wild, and Splatoon 2 will probably ship ~3 million copies each during this fiscal year despite being released during the last fiscal year.
Nintendo games, especially their major once-per-generation titles, are the king of legs and will have a lasting presence during the entire lifecycle of the platform.
Heck, even freaking Kirby Star Allies will ship well over 1 million copies during this fiscal year on top of the ~1.2 million it shipped during the last fiscal year.
@PanurgeJr how so?
@WiltonRoots @gortsi - First it was overflowing Amiibo stock in Ireland, now it’s unsold Labo mania in France. Weird. You know what never sells at the grocery store? Milk. It’s always there, almost fully stocked. Stupid cows.
@zool I get all of that (assuming I've correctly interpreted what the typos were intended to be), but it doesn't contradict my point, which is that between circumstance-- you bought a console that ended up flopping--and choice--limiting yourself to a single console and refusing an entire method of distribution--you are part of a vanishingly small demographic that no publisher in their right mind would target. Sales figures prove that people want Wii U ports on Switch, and it's obvious, to me at least, that they outnumber the people who don't want those ports, which means porting them is the only sound business decision. Catering to you would not, and while it is understandable that the situation doesn't suit you, it is ridiculous to complain that a corporation behaves like a corporation.
@deafswin37 I don't know how so. Heavyarms was obviously being ironic, mocking Nintendoomers, yet you clearly missed that, else you wouldn't have told him to get a life or that he hates Nintendo. How you missed it, I don't know.
If you have to write a 1600 word diatribe about how the Switch doesn’t have a weak library, that’s... not a very good sign. As a certain Great Communicator once said, if you’re explaining you’re losing. And at the end of the day, investors are underwhelmed by the Switch’s big 2018 offerings (a subscription fee, a Super Smash Bros. game that may or may not have a lot of new content - we still don’t know a month after E3 even as Nintendo’s shares continue to drop, and a spin-off Pokémon game). Thus Switch sales are expected to be weaker than promised for the critical holiday season.
Maybe the experts are wrong of course. Markets often do stupid things, and few serious people would have predicted a Trump presidency in 2015. Perhaps the Pokémon game will be more popular than expected, or Super Smash Bros. Ultimate will live up to its name (or it will just be a rehash but people will buy it anyway). Or maybe they really have another E ticket game in store either for holiday season or the launch of the subscription fee (that they haven’t announced more than a month after E3 for whatever reason). If you really think you’re smarter than the experts, I would encourage you to buy some Nintendo shares. Talk is cheap.
@Fight_Teza_Fight Lets Go is in the Pokemon franchise, so it will sell very well, but I doubt it will be the Pokemon Go players that are the ones buying it, rather the ones who were already Pokemon fans to begin with. Unfortunately, Nintendo will falsely interpret the high sales of Lets Go to mean the strategy of appealing to typical mobile/casual gamers works.
I dunno, man. Switch sold under 2 million units in Q1 but Nintendo is keeping the 20 million target for the fiscal year. They must be really banking on holiday sales, but it'll take some pretty aggressive price cuts to achieve those numbers. I really don't think that Smash or even Pokémon Let's Go will sell 10+ million units, especially given how Pokémon is effectively a spinoff that will be fully priced at $60 USD.
@RETRO_J two Pokémon games and smash will sell a bunch not sure it means there are surprises
@Euler Sadly the cause for explanation isn't because it takes a lot of explanation. A simple list of games suffices. The cause for explanation is circular conversations with people who refuse to look at what's in front of them and instead keep regurgitating the same lines without basis based on personal interests. Instead of admitting "I don't like this product I bought and prefer another product instead" they feel the need to try to convince people the product is objectively bad mostly because it doesn't suit their situational need, and it's easy to find other people on the internet in the same situation.
And purchasing Nintendo shares isn't for the weak of wallet. Despite all the "doom" Nintendo shares are pretty pricey things....you need some relatively deep pockets to make a meaningful investment with them, and they're solid enough that buying at the current price would be silly, despite what the armchair quaterbacks would have one believe. They are neither affordable for the mainstream, nor depressed so much that buying is a value right now.
@Agramonte hey, can I be dumb and ask which app you use for that set up? It looks brilliant by the way!! I've got persona 5 to play and can't see the mrs being happy to give up the tv for 100 hrs!
Sorry, I've just seen you've posted that to someone else, cheers for the info 👍
@GKO900 Toys are more fun than video games, dude.
@R1spam Not being dumb at all, took me a bunch of google searches and comment sections to find it myself
For PS4
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/r-play-remote-play-for-ps4/id1222889057?mt=8
For PC (with Nvidia card)
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/moonlight-game-streaming/id1000551566?mt=8
I first tried it with the onscreen controls for a few hrs before investing in MFI controllers. Make sure it works ok on your network.
@Razer Just to add in a different perspective: those apps (and a browser) would mean nothing to me. I have never used a game console as an all around media device, that is not what I bought it for. I bought it to play games on it. I have plenty of other devices for YouTube and Netflix.
What I really want are features that past consoles had that aren't there now. There are no manuals (except for the NEO-GEO ports), not even in digital form. It doesn't give you any ability to view patch notes when it updates games (as far as I can tell, it doesn't even tell you how big the update was). You can't sort the games. It doesn't give you an exact number for how long you've played any given game (for example: Stardew Valley only says more than 125 hours). You can't view a list of your e-shop purchases, it only shows what you don't currently have installed. If the Switch has any of these features and I simply overlooked them, please someone tell me.
Anyways, I think as far as games go the Switch is doing fine. The quality is there and there is a lot of it. Counting only physical games, I have around 40. Very few are made by Nintendo (around ten of them), it's mostly third parties. I'll type up a list if you want.
@Euler Regan's "if you’re explaining, you’re losing", is a quote that has never sat well with me. You can invalidate everything someone is trying to say by waving your hand and saying that phrase. Explanations aren't bad, sometimes they are essential. If he meant don't over explain, I agree with that. But that's not what he said.
@PanurgeJr if you are looking at this from a company perspective then you are right. Any business should get rid of the bottom 5% of its customers every year and replace them with a new batch that will perform better.
Of course I am a customer and I see thing from my view point. Wherever I can I will buy a physical game. I don't as a rule buy downloads. Here I am not in a minority.
If more downloads had a demo then I would get a better idea of what I am buying, since a download has no value if the gamer doesn't like it. Of course much of the eshop games wouldn't sell if they offered a demo.
Gamers buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games first, and now also for the handheld option. For me there is a shortage of Nintendo games. If I wanted PlayStation games I buy a PS so I had choice and not download from what is on offer from the Switch shop.
Nintendo is trying to please to many gamers. Single players, Party gamers, multi-player, online players. It can't produce enough games and it trys to please everyone with one game, example Kirby.
I would also rather have better graphics than being able to play in handheld mode at 720p. That is where Nintendo will lose customers. I would guess 30 million is top wack for Switch sales in its current form.
And as gamer my point of view is as valid as any. 😉
I like my Switch but I feel I have lost my Nintendo love. Hoping the online side of things (when discussed) will turn that around for me - NES games I can take or leave as I was SNES baby!! grew up with that beast
@Alexkidd1985 and I am holding of some Pikmin news soon...
@gortsi Yeah strange that, whenever I go to stores and some shelves are low, for some reason when I go back there another time the shelves seem to fill back up, you'd almost think retailers have a policy of keeping their shelves organised and visually balanced and replenishing stock.
@bimmy-lee I was in M&S the other day funnily enough and they had loads of juice in the juice section. The juice market must have fallen off a cliff. I think this is the kind of logic we're dealing with.
One of my nephews told me the other day he's considering getting a Switch solely for Mario Kart. One of my old friends I haven't seen in years picked up a Switch. Just for Mario Kart. Are they crying about a lack of games? Nah they don't care. Are they bothered about Wii U games being on there? Nah they didn't have one. All they want is Mario Kart.
19.67 million cracked switches
@gortsi I can picture it now: "Mummy why is that man counting those cardboard Nintendo things?"
These are pretty good numbers. I know that Year-on-Year the hardware sales are down slightly for the quarter, but couldn't that be in large part due to April 2017 having a launch hype sales rush? In any case, software sales are extremely impressive, and that will hopefully persuade 3rd parties to invest more heavily in Switch development.
This is magnificent news. It now means I can buy every Switch console in the UK, and by scalping in time for Christmas I will be a millionaire.
The writing in this particular article is borderline unintelligible. If you're going to report on numbers, you should at least try to make sure that the statistics are accurate, consistent in the description of their quantity, and easy to understand. Do you guys at NL even proof read anymore, or has been deemed unnecessary?
@zool So, once again, despite owning only one console, are you saying you are only interested in games published by one publisher, Nintendo, and are ignoring the many third party games that are coming to Switch on purpose? Why would anyone do that? If you were saying that you only buy Nintendo to play Nintendo games because you buy your other games on another platform, that's understandably your choice. But saying you buy only Nintendo's platform to play only Nintendo games and will ignore all the work so many other developers are putting into putting games on Nintendo just because they aren't Nintendo's games makes no sense. You bought a Switch. You want games to play. There are lots of games to play, it's just that many of them aren't made by Nintendo. How is Falcom/NIS, Square-Enix, Sega, Bandai-Namco, Capcom, or etc not worthy of your gaming money on a platform you own and they are bringing their games to?
There are a lot of great games for the hardware you already own that you can look into. Not being made by Nintendo doesn't mean they're not good games on Nintendo's platform.
Okay, great... but imagine those numbers with full 3rd-party support now...
@RETRO_J ya my math was way off for some reason I was think th other Pokémon was also in the next 3 quarters
@NEStalgia you did not read my post correctly.
I said "Gamers buy Nintendo consoles to play Nintendo games first...."
First. The ones that can only be played on a Nintendo console. I didn't say what you think I said. I've played Mario + Rabbids, Crash and Skyrim and am playing the Octopath demo. But that does not take away the fact that Nintendos big physical releases have dried up until Fire Emblem next year. I don't do Pokemon or Mario party. Don't take my word, ask the share holders.
@KryptoniteKrunch
Labo’s doing well?
@zool perhaps, but the total library is qyite robust. Xbox has ONE game only playable on xbox coming in that time frame, forza horizon 3. Including sot and sod2, they have 3 whole such games.
At what point does the conversation become "why isn't everyone Sony?". Truth is multiplat makes the bulk of all systems. Pokemon is the biggest thing on Nintendo. It's not for you. Forza is the biggest thing on xbox. It's not for everyone. They can't help it if their big games aren't for you. The question remains what is it you actually want?
Keep in mind what you want is what makes investors sell. What investors want is a mobile-only Nintendo with loaded micro transactions. That is what would cause investor response.
@Mgene15
Considering it sold over one million in a little over two months, yes.
@gortsi
680 of those being indie/ mobile games
@gortsi
And 10 ports
Not much funnier than gamers going ‘well that massive library is objectively inadequate because I can’t find anything I personally like in nearly 1000 games’
I honestly see them hitting about 15 million units this year. Next year will probably be better due to the mainline Pokemon. Still, their financial situation is excellent.
@Mgene15 sure mate. whatever helps you sleep at night
@NEStalgia well last year it was suggested that we would be playing Fire Emblem, Yoshi and Dragon quest this year. Two of those would have been good this year.
One more thing to mention is that 24% of Switch + 3DS software sales last quarter were digital. This doesn't include the sales of download-only games.
@WiltonRoots I love how an article about mostly good sales has devolved into the usual insanity. This place will never stop amazing me
@gortsi Yep it's a bit of a dumpster fire... Nintendo lets the world know they've had their best software sales in years is greeted by "waaaaaahhhhhh I've got nothing to playyyyy!!!" Reminds me of when toddlers are angry because they're hungry but don't know what they want to eat. Minus the snot bubbles (or maybe not?)
From techcrunch (can't agree more):
"The next part seems to be the hardest for Nintendo. Now that the Switch is a success, Nintendo needs to maintain it by building and supporting a robust ecosystem of games. And Nintendo cannot be the source of all the best games. Nintendo must court developers and publishers and keep them engaged in the advantages of the Switch gaming system. If it can do that, the Switch has a chance to be a generational product like the Wii before it."
Too many replies to bother with but I'll try to approach this from another angel. And keep it short.
The benefit of media apps isn't for us but for the majority of casual gamers, these mostly young adults will stop using their Nintendo Switches because they will have completed most games that are not Indie games. So Media platforms helps these people to continue to use their Switches and continue to be informed on new games. Instead they stop keeping up with news on the switch after 3 months of disuse and they dont know when good games come out. I say this because 2 of my work colleagues fall into this category, its very easy to imagine more people falling here too.
in respect to the sales, why doesn't everyone try comparing the sales of the WiiU and the 3ds together at this stage in their life to that of the Switches alone? How does it stack up? (Its around 24m-26m).....
But i can defo see the logic in more games to come following this point based on how long developers have had to work on the Switch. Because i do actually want to remain positive too and yeah that defo makes sense, It takes at least 2 years to make solid 3rd party games and longer for AAA games. I just wish we'd hear more about what's in the pipeline.
@S4ndm4n It might be in Yen, which will translate to a lower number in USD
@zool that's fair. Yoshi especially will hurt for not being a holiday release. FE will be fine. In fact most fe games on 3ds had winter or spring releases and we're the best performing of the series, do it may be a more ideal launch window, historically. DQ... i have no idea what square is going with that... They're defying logic ... But it's square. Dqxi was the first game announced for switch even before Nintendo games.... And it's still not ready... Squares going full ffxii-vs on this one.
That said if you're an srpg and rpg fan and dq fan in general, and if you're interested in fe and dq you may be) be sure to check out valkyria 4. It's a day and date multiplat from Sega, and the first game was one of the best ps3 exclusives. It's like a cross of fe and advance wars, or code name steam if you played that.
Also try the dq builders demo if you haven't. It's not for everyone but i happen to love it and am excited for the sequel (confirmed for switch)
Plus if you like dq main series and Xenoblade, take a look at ys8, shining res, and vespyria (arguably the best tales game, originally on Dreamcast, then og xbox but the hd remake is all new.)
There really is a ton of good stuff especially for rpg and fighting fans between last month though November.
@WiltonRoots @gortsi i find hitting your head against a hard object, such as the skull of most people posting on video game forums helps.
Why are we here? We really need to rethink our lives.....
@Denoloco Monster Hunter is actually an Action RPG, with survival elements. Turn based RPGs are more like Final Fantasy and Octopath
@bimmy-lee
What you don't get, is that I know almost all the sellers from my sector and the thing that comes 9 times on 10 is the same :
"It doesn't sell well and it's horrible the place those thingies take on the shelves... In term of profitability it's absolutely not a good deal for us"
So, before saying ironically that cows and milk story that you told, please learn more how business works...
Just realised, them 3DS sales are collapsing quickly eh? Woah.
@Cobalt
Anecdotal evidence means nothing. I know a buyer for a major UK retail chain and she says they’ve been ‘happy’ with how it’s gone. I’m not stupid enough to claim that means anything on a wider scale.
@WiltonRoots
I’ve got a 1 year old and a 4 year old. The 1 year old is teething and the 4 year old gets ‘hangry’. This place is like that moment in time where they’re both complaining simultaneously because the world isn’t doing exactly what they want to to do at a particular point.
Of course, their complaints are more valid than most on here, especially the ‘yeah i know it’s got hundreds of games but they haven’t tailored he whole release schedule to me, snot fair’ types.
@Agramonte @NEStalgia
The lack of buttons crippled the Vita for me. Not only did it greatly hinder playing PS1 games but Remote Play was awful. Any solution using a proper controller is much better. I tried the clip with an Xperia phone and PS4 pad but the phone itself wasn’t great and didn’t last.
When I use Remote Play now I use my laptop. PS4 Pro actually gives a nice advantage in that it streams 1080p.
@electrolite77
No but apparently you are when it's about understanding that I talk ABOUT MY SECTOR. I never said LABO is doing the same eveywhere else...
@Euler
“f you have to write a 1600 word diatribe about how the Switch doesn’t have a weak library, that’s... not a very good sign.”
And if you have to do the same to explain why it doesn’t? It seems to me thos unhappy are those taking post after post to explain the very specific requirements he several hundred games on the Switch have failed to collectively pander to.
As a certain Great Communicator once said, if you’re explaining you’re losing”.
Which is, even by the standards of someone generally thought to be an idiot outside his voter base (and certainly outside the US) a ludicrous quote. Dumbing things down is not a good thing except to....you know, the dumb.
@Cobalt
“And even if I can talk only for the surrounding of where I live, the stores are full of Labos... so, it's difficult to estimate the number they actally sold to clients.”
“So, before saying ironically that cows and milk story that you told, please learn more how business works.”
You’re the one lecturing others about how business works. If you realise your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant, why bring it up?
@electrolite77
God, read the full discussion man...
@Cobalt
I have. You’re textbook.
@Antraxx777
Please, read my other replies
@Cobalt - The milk/cow analogy wasn’t a 1:1 comparison, obviously. It was merely to highlight how silly and nonsensical your comment was about fully stocked Labo shelves in your sector being an indication that they’re not selling worldwide, especially under an article about Labo being a million seller. There’s also some inside humor in your statement, because it was basically an echo of a baseless anti Amiibo argument that another member here used to provide. He was also completely lacking in self awareness and all puffed up on self importance.
@electrolite77 - Mine are four (today) and two later this month. The similarities between toddlers and the internet at large are sometimes staggering. At times, it seems like half the world is stuck in the “mine” phase.
@NEStalgia @electrolite77 I also found the clip with a Z3 was super top heavy. I would love Remote play on the Switch... That will never happen.
Yeah, works pretty well on PC. I have the old PS4 so dont get the 1080p option. I do get it out my GTX1060 and Nvidia home streaming.
@Agramonte
Yeah PC streaming is very good. I actually sometimes use an Ethernet cable from my actual router and unsurprisingly it’s flawless. Bit of a hassle, obv.
Seems one of the missed opportunities of the Vita. Lovely machine but could have been so much more....
@electrolite77 i still genuinely cannot figure out how Sony let that happen... they essentially had a Switch on their hands years before the NX was even announced. I heard that you could play Fallout 4 on it if you owned it on the PS4...
Handheld Fallout makes me giddy inside.
@Razer
It was just too compromised. Baffling lack of TV Out. Ludicrously priced Memory Cards. Lack of necessary buttons to play PS1 games or use Relote Play properly. Backward compatible by only sort of.
Then the sense that Sony really had no idea what to do with it and only ever put their B Teams to work on it. Take he shoddy conversions of Jack and Daxter and Ratchet and Clank for example.
It’s understandable that they put all their eggs in the PS4 basket but it’s where they learnt the valuable lesson that supporting two machines in the modern industry isn’t desirable, practical or possible.
@PanurgeJr Oh well it happens..I say what i want when i want thanks..How you miss that lol..Have a nice day kiddo
The only way for Nintendo to reach their 20 mil goal for this fiscal year is to at least provide a trailer for Animal Crossing, Metroid Prime 4, and a huge 3rd Party game that people want to play anywhere, i.e. GTAV. If none of that happens before the holiday season, I don't see them selling 20 mil by March with the lineup they currently have.
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