It's well known that those with a desire to backup or clone Skylanders figures have had the means to do so, which in part is courtesy of the simplistic NFC technology. Encryption is possible, but it doesn't take long for someone to break through the security of the humble chips.
Naturally the same threat has followed amiibo since the figures hit the market in November 2014, with peripherals already in existence that can backup data and even manipulate it. One such product that's already on sale apparently allows you to mess around with data, with one example being to boost the level of a Super Smash Bros. fighter.
Now there's 'amiiqo', which seems somewhat dodgier in its intention. On the one hand it allows you to use a base with an Android phone (a usb option is also promised) to backup your amiibo data, allowing for multiple figures to be stored on the device. Based on the literature around it - which we won't link to here - that seems rather like the R4 excuse; the device actually goes much further in that it functions as an amiibo toy with compatible games.
In other words, you can upload data to the disc and scan it into a game like a normal amiibo figure. There's little attempt to hide the fact that this allows players to download data online and effectively use that amiibo with the device; therefore downloading data for figures that may not be owned be the user. There may be a pretence of pretending amiiqo isn't a glorified amiibo piracy device, but as it comes equipped with ten amiibo pre-loaded it's clear what it's all about.
We suspect there's little Nintendo can do about this due to the simplicity of NFC technology; software updates to supported games may be an option. In any case, a large part of the appeal with amiibo is in their desirability as figures and collectibles, and this particular device is nowhere near any major retailers. While some well-known retailers do stock unofficial devices that do operate as backup options by scanning amiibo, this one has no such major listings.
It will surely remain a very niche market and device, though no doubt Nintendo will monitor it closely.
Thanks to Ryan Millar for the heads up.
[source the-gamers-lounge.com, via gonintendo.com]
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I managed to get my hands on said device that modifies and backs up amiibo data, but I'm NEVER one for piracy. {EDIT} I also can restore said backups with said device.
Sigh... the problems that plague amiibo. We can't backup data, there are stock issues, and we still can't use the GamePad as an external NFC reader. On the topic of backing up amiibo data, all Nintendo needs to do is include a back-up feature in amiibo Settings. Simples.
At least the figures are well designed.
@Captain_Gonru This.
Or instead of figures, how about something like stamps that should be easy to manufacture?
Can't say I ever usually care about Amiibo in-game functions. I like them for collectible purposes. I wouldn't even make use of something like this.
It's a niche market because ending up owning an amiibo (with intent to use it) is a niche group.
Wait, wait, you can use amiibo for stuff other than displaying on the shelf?
What boggles my mind is why they haven't produced collectible cards, especially for the low stock amiibos. Keep them cheap, allow only one save per card like the amiibos, create a variety for each character to encourage collecting and add an extra gamification layer... whether it be AR, a nod to hanafuda or even a CCG to play offline or in a free mini app. It's not like they're producing too many amiibos and would sacrifice sales of the plastic figures.
@AJTsuki
The first amiibo cards come out in September (in North America anyway) and October I think? In Europe. They will be for the Animal Crossing series but I fully expect Nintendo to make more card amiibo later, they're cheaper and less prone to shortages.
Considering how Nintendo isn't meeting demand with their supply (Quite foolishly, I might add) I think I'll employ this method. I've had it up to here with Amiibo scalping and such.
This wouldn't happen if Nintendo would actually give us Amiibos...I'm not paying $80 for Shulk.
@AJTsuki
Except we know there's "Special Edition" amiibo cards in Japan (Smiling Isabelle was exclusive to some magazine I believe) + "Rare" sparkle cards so we're back at square one I guess, unless Nintendo really does ramp up production of these cards.
Leave it to some moron to ruin amiibo as well.
Well since Nintendo can't fill demand someone has stepped in and provided a solution (somewhat).
clever idea but i think i just stick with the actual amiibo figure
@Chaotic_Eevee no just you.
95% of my collection was paid for less than msrp. the 5%? at msrp and I have like 20 of them, most of them aren't even common figures...
Kind of sad, but what do you expect when you can't get your hands on the Amiibo figures in the first place? Those trading cards can't get here fast enough.
NOW will you increase stock, Nintendo!? Or do I still have to move to Australia?
This should give Nintendo a little push to restock on more amiibo for retailers, if not then they better at least start making cards of the rare amiibo.
@AlternateButtons Considering it also happened with the DS and R4 so it seems like something that would happen regardless of how well stocked they are.
I believe the cost of the figures would be the next choice excuse for pirates if the figures didn't have shortages.
People who would like this device for the purpose of unlocking game content without having to buy plastic figurines, are most likely not spending any (or much) money on amiibos anyway.
why does this website continue to report on illegal activities? It's like they're promoting them
WANT! I need it for figures I'll never be able to afford (Little Mac and Villager for example)
@DarthNocturnal Can't go wrong w/ a Reyn quote.
@Captain_Gonru Glad you got first post w/ that. The lack of back-up app after MP10 came out is mind-boggling.
I'm usually all for hacking, and making a back up app seems like something Nintedo should have done about 10 month sago, but selling the device w/ 10 amiibo on it? Even I have lines to cross, and that seems way over the line.
@Uberchu I don't know where you live but consider yourself lucky. I'm not the only one complaining about stock here, in fact it's VERY wide spread. "It works fine for me" or "I could find them fine" isn't a valid excuse.
What other game writes data to amiibo apart from Smash Bros? Does Mario Party? Anyway, shame NoE aren't in charge of distribution in North America; most amiibo are really easy to get in Europe now...
What timing... amiibo stock is finally getting under control, and now this shows up. Granted, I like the idea of having backups, but all that other stuff is just pointless.
As long as it doesn't mean a bunch of knockoff figures, I'm fine.
I don't think people buy amiibo because they want to use the amiibo though. So this shouldn't be a big problem.
Nintendo, you did this to yourself. I have no problem paying for a nice figurine especially if it is functional with my video games but I'm not paying $80 just get all the levels in Splatoon.
Amiibo, whether you like it or not have made it so that a lot of on-disc content is locked out. I don't mind having Amiibo that add skins like Mario kart or Wooly World but I'm not a fan of having to buy a figurine I play all of my game.
@Mikau94 you aren't missing much without the Splatoon amiibo. Those levels are in the story mode, just replayed with a different weapon. It's a bore and a task to complete them.
There will always be dubious plastic figurines. This makes little difference in terms of fakes, except maybe they can work with consoles. I doubt the people who manufacturer the fakes would put any effort into putting the NFC chip in their products, let alone putting data on the chips
Oh Nintendo... You've really shot yourself in the foot here. I've always been incredibly anti-piracy but... Well I'm never been more tempted by "piracy" and I'll defend anyone who resorts to it because face it: you're essentially selling a game and locking content behind a paywall that you won't even make available. I'll pay for figurines, I've collected around 80% of the Disney Infinty figures thus far. Granted, most were through sales... But point is, I'll pay a company for their content. Paying a scalper outrageous prices or buy this thing... What's the difference? The money doesn't go to Nintendo either way. And I'm certain this inability to meet demand has helped quicken the release of these pirating devices.
@Mikau94
But see that's debatable. What you say is content locked out I see as content added on to an already full game- evidenced by no missing modes in MP10, just a new mode and new boards, no single player stripped from Splatoon, just a different weapon to play them with, no characters stripped from STEAM, just additional characters from separate series added in, no levels stripped from Captain Toad, just new puzzle to solve in each one, no weapons taken from Hyrule Warriors, just ones already in the game, no tracks or characters taken from MK8, just skins for your Mii, no characters removed from Smash, just ways to train them as AI, no content held back from Mario Maker, just skins added in... Etc
The day I see a game missing a feature that was present in previous entries and is unlocked through Amiibo, then I'll be there right by your side saying WTF. But as of right now there has been no content held back, only new content added on. Which is as it should be.
jedisquidward said:
"As long as it doesn't mean a bunch of knockoff figures, I'm fine".
Same here.
Amiibo market bout to get Smashed.
@Uberchu
Well, aren't you the lucky smart little cookie!!
@JaxonH I thought Splatoon amiibo unlocked new missions also. If so, I'd really like to play them, but cannot find the amiibo.
@KnightRider666 Nintendo has already ruined the experience enough, this thing is a lifesaver.
@Uberchu I'm still surprised I managed to collect all amiibo so far without paying more than the regular price.
@Uberchu I'm just doing the math here, if you said you got 5% at msrp which was 20 of them, that means you have 400 amiibos. So either you're a scalper or a hoarder and in either case you should learn to share.
What did Nintendo think would happen?
They struggle to keep stock all the time. Then there is the "adult children" like myself who collect without the desire to open/trash the packaging of our Amiibo collection. I'vebeen saying since launch that I would pay, a reduced price, for cards of all the Amiibos which I own so I can keep them in their boxes.
Amiibo cards also make more sense for people who want to use Amiibos on the go. A stack of cards is easier to carry than a load of figures which can get damaged.
As for this? If no Amiibo cards for existing figures appear I might get this just I can use the Amiibo characters I already own.
That's fair. Try to grab a Shulk figure right now and you'll understand how low stock problems lead us to this point.
I totally support this until Nintendo decides to do something about the availability of these Premium DLC... I mean, collectibles.
Hey, I'm one of the people who takes backing up games and digital software seriously...
Maybe it's just because of my DRM-free PC gaming background, but the ability to back up as many copies of your property (i.e. games you purchase DRM-free, NOT long term rentals like Steam) as you want is a given for me. Life isn't always kind, and the ability to not suffer as much of a loss when that happens, at little cost and some time, can be a Godsend in a worst case scenario.
Also, due to the fact that it's nearly impossible to find these things, Nintendo has made a rather poor physical DRM lock decision, which cannot be rectified without solutions like this, for most people. Like it or not, unless Nintendo comes up with their own solution, this is the most realistic and practical option for most people to access certain amiibo-locked features.
And yes, after seeing what a developer like CD Projekt Red does (give away all DLC for FREE, no locks, no fuss, no catch, just as a reward for loyal paying customers), I DO consider amiibo features to be DRM which locks away content, not bonus extras.
Meh, not everyone wants to shell out extra $$ for a plastic figure (i.e. clutter) to access game modes already available on the disk they already paid $60 for. There haven't been any amiibo features/modes that I've found super compelling yet, but if there was something I wanted locked behind amiibo, I'd be pretty pissed if buying an overpriced toy was the only way to get it (and a different overpriced toy for each game at that).
If they had a way to just pay an extra couple bucks for the things that amiibo would unlock on the eshop, I'd be happy to do that (cards are nice because they're cheaper, but I don't want to mess with losing them; I want to be all digital). If that doesn't happen, I could definitely see myself owning one of these to enjoy one-stop shopping.
@beautifulstrong No. There all just replays of the same mission just with a new weapon or limit.
I don't see this as a big deal seeing as most people who get amiibos do so for collecting purposes.
@Artwark They tried that with the cards. It didn't work.
@JaxonH
I agree, most Amiibo support is additional content and Nintendo has been great with their DLC, especially with Splatoon, but with the case of Splatoon Amiibo, the levels were there on day one and only accessible to those who have the Amiibos. Maybe I don't quite understand those levels becuase I can't play them, but I liked the Octo Valley levels and wish I could play the others.
Somehow calling this "piracy" just doesn't seem right to me, since you can't really pirate a physical object.
And as far as the effective piracy of amiibo-locked DLC goes, well, let me go grab some popcorn for this epic battle of evil versus evil.
@ALinkttPresent News is news. Should my local news channel not report on a murder? No they should.
@shigulicious They unlock outfits, weapons, and minigames so in the end he is missing out.
I don't think it's a big deal, a large part of the value when it comes to Amiibo is the physical property. Amiibo is popular because Nintendo gamers love having their favourite characters in statue form for a reasonable price. I think Nintendo would be wise to make a virtual Amiibo app to do the same thing but at a small cost, making it possible for users who don't want to purchase the Amiibo be able to get the content for a much cheaper price. Throw in a screen saver here and a ringtone there and you add some value to the purchase and probably have yourself a pretty popular app.
Its not like people just buy the amiibo for the features of it.
People mostly buy it because its an official figurine form they favorite characters.
Most people don't even open the cases.
@AlternateButtons this is not a reason for piracy....
Until someone starts manufacturing counterfeit Amiibo, I can't really say I care about this at all. Most people I know who buy Amiibo do it to create Amiibo displays on a desk, shelf, or entertainment center. I think it's cool that Nintendo adds special content for Amiibos in their games, but that can be supremely frustrating when they're not producing half as many units as they should be to even come close to meeting demand.
@Zombo @ALinkttPresent - I understand the journalistic conflict. On one hand, you're telling people how easy it is to commit an illegal activity. On the other hand, news is news. And it's not good journalism to just ignore major things happening in the gaming space. Most reputable sites and magazinss never talked about emulators or ROMs because they didn't want to be seen as encourage piracy. Even though it was something huge going on - people were downloading the entire NES and SNES libraries. When Nintendo can't release Star Fox or Yoshi's Island on Virtual Console because of supposed emulation issues, reporters call BS because the emulation scene cracked both of those games over a decade ago.
@TeeJay: Yeah, w/ the supply & demand issues, it was already ruined. Glad I traded mine in for full credit and bought myself a "New" 3DS XL instead.
If they include Amiibo data with it like they say they are, surely they're going to be sued into oblivion. I do see the value in backing up your figures (well, I would if more games needed to store data on 'em anyway). I suppose that most of the people who would buy this probably wouldn't have bought the Amiibo anyway though...I mean, don't most people want them for the figure itself too?
I don't want to collect the things, I just want to be able to unlock all the costumes in Mario Kart 8, the extra levels in Splatoon, and to actually have a good fighting partner in Smash Bros. But I'm not paying several hundred dollars to scalpers just to do all this.
I begin thinking about Jim Sterling's breaking point with amiibo, where Splatoon's got significant content (beyond outfits, story levels retooled with different weapons and conditions) locked behind amiibo. Instead of a little treat for having a figure, like in Mario Kart 8, it's real, valuable gameplay that near no one ca get to because there's not enough going around to allow them.
So, yeah, Nintendo, if you don't want this happening, don't maintain a situation where these efforts are so damn valuable.
All together now. "Hackers. Ruin. Everything."
Awesome.
Amiiboo are unbelievably stupid, anyway. They're nothing but a cheap scam. Crappy, poorly made, overpriced, glorified Happy Meal toys that essentially hide bare bones, DLC game features that should be part of the games themselves, behind paywalls of cheap, junky toys, intended to boost Nintendo's profits from easily mislead and gullible fanboys who will buy whatever cheap crap is shoved in their face even when it's this scummy and blatant as this, while intentionally hindering both production and availability to manufacture desire and drive up the market value for what is basically in-game locked DLC.
Amiibo are not just stupid, but they are also disgusting, underhanded and everything that is wrong with not just Nintendo's business model (manufacturing demand with pre-planned shortages for cheap toys and in-game locked paywall features, and scamming gullible children out of their parents money), but also the industry itself with it's disgustingly gross in-game DLC paywall locked crap. The kind of thing everyone hates and despises companies like Capcom and EA for, but give Nintendo a free pass for.... some incomprehensible reason, mostly vaguely related to Nintendo's brainwashed fanboy kool-aid drinkers.
Finally, there is a way to take Nintendo's cheap scam, show it for what it is, and put the rightful ability to get the most out of their own games without cheap DLC-paywall scams, into the hands of the consumer where it belongs.
This is only a good thing. I hope Nintendo's stupid Amiiboo sales have their bottom fall out because of this. Then Nintendo would be forced to stop putting their market strategy on dime-store Happy Meal toys and paywall game features and start putting their effort back on completed, quality games again.
I don't cry about it. That's what you get when you make them to expensive. It's ideal for people who only buy Amiibo to unlock stuff.
@AlternateButtons Was the R4 card also a result of poor stock, or was it a result of laziness and greed?
Skimming, I'm with @AlternateButtons here. When it comes to pirating, it'd been soundtracks. Games? I have so many, on the cheap the most, and unless the distribution rights tank, I know I can get them eventually. Music is likewise in that vein, these days. It's readily available for purchase, and Bandcamp allows me to listen to it at home if I can't buy it yet. I think, if these things we like are readily available, we'd prefer to buy it, knowing we've got a recognized claim to it. But amiibos are stupid scarce, and not available digitally, so in light of our alternatives — giving too much money to people who don't contribute to amiibos' proliferation — it's frustrating not know WHEN, if ever, we can get these things. I'd think there's many who've given up on the idea of "eventually", given Nintendo's handling so far, so if they are a fan of a title, here most egregiously Splatoon, why should they not allow themselves to enjoy what's part of their download?
I was able to nab the Splatoon amiibos, but if I couldn't, I wouldn't pay scalpers, and never on their terms. I'd likely just stew at not being able to access it, which may even be more damaging than hacking my way in — knowing I can't have something just because of some gimmick, I might well turn sour to the whole thing. (Incidentally, I feel this way for "backer-only" playable content; I believe all non-trivial content should be timed exclusive.)
i think Amiibo is a good device, there so many amiiqo toys, i want to play most of them, but i really can't buy all of them.
Amiibo solved my problem. i already ordered amiibo 2 days ago, when arrived, i will write a small review about it.
Why do you need to back up amiibo?
@MrGuinea no i have 20 amiibo total. like maybe 3 of them were bought msrp. those were the ones I didn't get at best buy or with a TRU discount...
@Chaotic_Eevee most of my rares were at launch no camping out or anything tbh.
and I'm not even going for all mostly just pokemon.
that 1 best buy helped me out a lot with their store exclusive figs, and 3 target trips in 1 day for an exclusive.. T.T
Oh wow, a way to freely unlock content you already have, but need a statue to access? Cry me a river, Nintendo.
I don't really care that much about amiibo or the content they unlock, but I am glad that now it means they will never be able to put essential-ish content behind a paywall, opened by a collectable.
Meanwhile it means the people who "COLLECT collect" don't have to drag their amiibos around with them or can store them in their display cases or whatever without having to take them out every time they want to use them.
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@AlternateButtons How? For making something thats cool and popular? Should they have made them terrible or only made 6 in high numbers or just stopped making games and consoles and just become Amiibo manufacturers?
@rob955 Using one Amiibo in Smash Bros and Mario Party 10, both of which store data in the sole save slot on the figure's chip.
There is much less of a problem for those who own the Super Mario & Smash Bros sets, as they will have 2 Mario's, 2 Luigis, 2 Peach's and 2 Bowsers. And Skylanders will provide a 3rd Bowser and 2nd DK and there are 2 other coloured Mario's, gold and silver, and two new upcoming Mario 8 bit Amiibos.
Toad and Wario don't have two different Amiibo's but aren't in Smash Bros.
What I find sad about this... this can hold 200 Amiibo... 1 Amiibo can only hold save data for one game...
Given that Amiibo only unlock some limited "extras" this really isn't a big deal. If anything, Nintendo are locking what could easily be regular game content and perhaps, arguably, this should be available to All who purchase a given game.
On one hand I want to be against this due to the sense of piracy, yet on the other hand most people who cares about amiibo or amiibo and games would just get the figurine. Even the "rare" ones are easier to get now at msrp if you know how to shop and follow updates, or at least be patient.
I would just be complaining for the sake of complaining.
@FLUX_CAPACITOR There's no doubt that the data for all the figures will be uploaded eventually. This is really just torrenting amiibo data.
I don't really feel one way or another about this, I won't be picking one up. Though I can certainly see why people would. If the Fire Emblem figures aren't easier to get ahold of when Fates comes out this will be a godsend for many people.
@thatguyEZ Yeah, I have kinda mixed feelings on it too. If you're going to make a glorified action figure (a cheap on at that, really a display figure) and charge 13$ a pop, with it's only other functions a basic storage device and unlocking a tiny bonus feature in an already expensive game, I can see why people would want to pirate it.
If Amiibo were a way of unlocking DLC for a cheap game to get full access, then maybe it would be worth it. But 20$ for a mega mushroom or a costume in Super Mario Maker? Really?!
There just isn't a compelling reason to buy an Amiibo unless you're a collector.
I don't see the problem. Who buys amiibos for game usuage?
@Uberchu ok lol I just misunderstood your comment.
To everyone saying this is Nintendo's fault for not keeping stock levels up... You do realise this would have happened anyway don't you?
This has nothing to do with stock levels and everything to do with making a quick buck on something popular.
@ultraraichu
Yeah, I was thinking the same way.
@Captain_Gonru
Good idea.
@KnightRider666
Nintendo already did that by itself.
Collecting is still half the fun. Take that away and you got nothin'
@SmithJurd
Skylanders did it first which lead the way for Disney, Lego and Nintendo to jump in. They did not need to worry about how much of a success it would be because Activision/Toys For Bob created an instant cash cow that appeals to kids, gamers and collectors. I dunno about Lego, but at least Activision and Disney keep theirs well in stock. Nintendo is just as big a name as Disney with tons of recognizable characters and they knew people would love to have this stuff.
I don't condone this but the stock problem is just as much Nintendo's fault They release one wave after another, don't stock well and most of the figures aren't available or accessible to kids, gamers or collectors. Nintendo can fix the stock problem and the scalping and pirating problems should lessen considerably.
I'm kinda surprised no one did it sooner. shakes head
@ikki5
Yeah, I agree, Nintendo needs to work on what their Amiibo can do too. Once they work on that and stock problems they'll really be able to bring out its full potential.
@NebulaGamer Oops, totally missed my point, how embarrassing!
I never said stock levels weren't Nintendo's fault as they most clearly are. My point was regarding the amiiqo device and the fact it would have popped up no matter what the stock levels were.
But that's cool, continue trying to be an arse, its entertaining
Nintendo didn't really do themselves any favours making amiibo stock levels a joke
@AlternateButtons I'm with you. I won't buy one of these, but if there was actual stock of amiibos you need to unlock in game content(I'm talking about you splatoon) this wouldn't appeal to very many people. They brought this on themselves.
I rarely use amiibo for in-game content, barring Splatoon, so this doesn't hold any interest for me.
I think most people buy Amiibo for the figurine, the unlocks don't really do much. Personally, I think Nintendo doesn't have anything to worry about.
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