Pachter: Nintendo Has Lost Its "Mojo"

True.

Surely a more relevant question is why would anyone pick up an Xbox one??? I cannot reasonably see why anybody would want this console in their house.
I also cannt see why a ps3 owner would warrant upgrading to ps4. So far I can see no reasonable reason for me to get a ps4 while I have a ps3, the jump is just too minor.
Whereas my wii u over my wii? Definite generation leap, and definite generation leap above ps3 in terms of potential.
What Nintendo actually needs to do is make it blatant and in black and white for all potential consumers to see exactly what it is that wii u is about and what it can offer

So apparently he has no knowledge of the upcoming Wii U games. Patcher's an idiot, and is just jumping on the popular hate train.

I'm kinda sick of Nintendolife reporting everything these guys say. I don't care about this guys opinion, just like I didn't care about the last guy dooming Nintendo. Nintendo are perpetually in this position and they generally pull themselves out of it. I love my WiiU because it has Mario and Nintendo Land and it will eventually have Zelda and Donkey Kong and even Sonic and that's what matters to me. 'Hardcore' gamers, like myself, will probably buy two console again this generation. The PS/Xbox for shooters and stuff, the WiiU for the Nintendo stuff. Either way, millions of hardcore gamers are going to get the WiiU and Nintendo will be fine. Plus the 3ds is rocking. Please Nintendo Life, you don't have to post all this crap every day. It gives credit to these opinions when they should just be ignored.

I agree that Wii U is in trouble, but calling the NES a nintendo only console shows he is totally clueless, third party support for the NES was huge, (partly because Nintendo used anti-competitive practices to prevent third parties from publishing for Sega) Nintendo's third party support issues did not beging until the N64... Before that they were kings of third party support

Why would anyone want to believe this guy? He does make a fair point about third party support and Nintendo being a "second console", but does he really believe that no one is going to come back to Nintendo after the launch of the other consoles is out of the way? Plus, does he really think Xbox One will sell when Microsoft doesn't give a flying toss about it's customers and is £70 more expensive than the PS4?

Why Nintendolife is posting opinions from UNKNOWN guy. Anyone here cares what I think. Probably NOT. So We don't care what Pachter think.

Yes, I've bought a Wii U to be able to play Nintendo first and second party games, and yes, I don't want to play multiplatform titles on it, cause I'd rather have the info about my progress tied to PSN. But that doesn't mean that Nintendo is doomed, cause that's pretty much the same situation that was with the Wii before. I don't see any problems with players having two consoles - the Wii U and the PS4 (seriously, who wants an XBOX One?).

If i were to buy a console again it would be the Wii U. The less FIFA, Battlefield, Call of Duty and more of these generic multi-million dollar crap on a console, the better.

Always funny to see all the fanboys' reactions under such news.
You guys might not care about Pachter (not Patcher), but he's in the business and he's doing a tremendous job in analyzing the business and basically in forming the business decisions of companies. When he says the WiiU's in trouble, chances are pretty high it really is. And if your beloved console is in dire trouble, I guess that IS something to be interested in.

If you just want to hear good news on how well the WiiU is doing...well, I guess you could simply stop browsing the internet.

I want the WiiU to do well, but those reactions in here are just hilarious. Kinda like an ostrich digging his head deep under the ground, just with more whining/complaining/aggression.

@ Damo: You're doing your job here just fine.

Nothing controversial about what he is saying there, would have to say I even agree with him for the most part, I wouldn't write the wii u off just yet, but I might if the 3rd party situation doesn't improve, Zelda is my fav game franchise of all time but the vast majority of nintendo 1st party games I can take or leave so not worth me buying a wii u if its essentially 1st party only.

Who is this guy, and why he obviously has no clue of what's going on?

Not having GTA really hurt the Wii and GameCube, didn't it? (more GC's were sold than Xbox's, which did get a delayed GTA port)
Plus,. there is FIFA and CoD, and while there won't be another FIFA later this year, there still could be CoD, and likely next year's installments will come to the Wii U once console sales increase enough to 3rd party dev's liking after all the big Ninty tiles come put.
Pachter is thinking because these titles aren't on the Wii U later this year that they will never come out on the Wii U.
His quote "and we know EA isn't developing anything right now" is definitely incorrect, as EA later said they are, but nothing close to releasing that they can announce yet, so it's hard to take his comments seriously when there are clear errors in the facts he is basing his comments on.

Whoa, deja vu.

I think mario will safe Nintendo.

Let's give Nintendo the respect it deserves. Going forward into this new gen of hardware, I will fly solo with my wiiu. I don't care to purchase a ps4 or xbone as I don't want to shell out my hard earned money towards their overpriced systems. First and foremost, we are talking gaming systems not social networking machines-I have a computer for that. I would rather spend all my money on upcoming Nintendo wiiu titles.

Ok, but... there is no GTA V version for PS4 and XBO. Is that the kind of support he's talking about?

@KeeperBvK
I agree with your assessment, except for the statement that if Patcher says it's so, it probably is. I would concede that the console is in more dire straights than many will admit, however, I think it's much more possible for the Wii U to make a comeback than Patcher would like to admit. He also doomed the 3DS in its first year in a similar fashion to what he is saying now, and we all know how wrong he was on that count. I also firmly believe that people will always buy a console if there are a variety of quality games on it (even bad consoles). I think that once a wide array of AAA, 1st party titles are released, Nintendo would actually have to TRY to keep the Wii U from selling in order to fail. People respond to games, always have. Regardless of who makes the console, how outrageous the price is, or what the stigma attached to it seems to be. Same applies to Vita. Why isn't it selling? Not enough quality, exclusive games. That's ALWAYS the deciding factor in whether or not a console will sell.

Aren't they the only console manufacturer who at least turned a profit?

I mean, this uphill battle is present because of the way society has embraced technology. All of a sudden, more devices are competing for peoples time and console manufacturers, just like any other manufacturer, have to find the right demographic that uses their products consciously.

Meanwhile, Nintendo is pretty versed in finding the right demographics. And in turning a profit again. But you know, sales numbers may be a lesser part of the equation from a business perspective - just from an investor perspective they mean possible potential and therefore investment worthy material.

So I don't see nintendo going up in stock price, but I do see them running things just fine. Besides, one pokemon game using that nfc on the gamepad with a lot of pokeball toys and nintendo is filling a treasure chest again.

@MeWario If you truly didn't care, you wouldn't even have read it. You can just ignore it, silly.

@MadAdam81 Patcher mentions all the 3rd parties that aren't developing games for Wii U, but fails to mention one key developer that is, the biggest hitter of them all: NINTENDO. He stresses how much a negative impact EA's absence will have on the console, but somehow forgets to mention how much a positive impact Nintendo's games WILL have.

@KeeperBvK

My problem with Pachter is that he would STILL be paying out on the console even if it had moved 10 million units already. We get it...he hates Nintendo. It's got inferior specs, substandard online infrastructure, and doesn't have the support of dudebro publishers...But WORST of all, they pay lipservice to American expectations.

I mean... since when have Nintendo ever relied on a Battlefield, FIFA, Call of Duty, or Grand Theft Auto to survive??? Like never... It's just, his whole attitude to Nintendo is utterly condescending, just because they don't fit with what his vision of gaming should be...

There are many things I criticize Nintendo for, but I at least acknowledge that they offer something unique and valuable in the gaming space...whereas he doesn't.. In a mainstream industry largely ruled by copypaste, AAA cinematic, western oriented sigh-a-thons....Nintendo are like a breath of fresh air with their gamey, colourful creations that emphasize 'fun' and 'wonder' (y'know those things we used to have before we all became so self-conscious and serious.. ahhemm..Last of Us...)

I don't think he can grasp why any self-respecting person would find a game where you play as an alien rounding up weird plant creatures to collect fruit to be interesting....He just doesn't get it, he doesn't get Nintendo... and that's why he's so upset at their success in the industry. It's like the school yard bully. They always pick on the one kid who's different, who stands out from the crowd...because they feel threatened by their difference.

I can think of 16 reasons to get a wii U in the short term.....Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Rayman Legends, Splinter Cell: Blacklist, Donkey Kong Country Returns: Tropical Freeze, Sonic: Lost World, Zelda: Wind Waker (HD), Batman: Arkham Origins, Watch Dogs, Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, X, Smash Brothers, Yoshi, Shin Megami Tensei x Fire Emblem....

I highly doubt Pachter knows of more than 5 or 6 of those..

This is now different. He's going on television and saying this crap. And yes the WiiU is in a bad place.
Why wouldn't it be? You have Anti-Nintendo people throwing out support for completely untested upcoming hardware. If people like pachter stop with the Nintendo Bashing for a bit and talk even a little bit about the good aspects and stop telling companies to drop support for it, the WiiU will be in a MUCH better place!

Wii U is getting two of the biggest 3rd party titles - Disney Infinity and Skylanders Swap Force. These will sell more than the yearly EA titles, and will also sell more on Wii U than these other titles would, due to Nintendo's stronger family focus.

what a douche. 3rd party support on the wiiu is already better than the wii. it'll probably be simular to the gamecube

@doctor_doak Well said. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy games with the more western approach every now and then, but it's not ALL I like. Most of all I like games that are different, like Pikmin 3, like Wonderful 101, like Bayonetta 2 (Nintendo really made a score with that franchise), like DKC Tropical Freeze, like Fire Emblem Awakening... I just wish our fanbase was bigger. I wish there were enough people who realized how truly special and great Nintendo's games are that the Wii U could've sold 10 million during launch. Just so everyone would shut up about how it's going to fail. I'm so sick of hearing it. Even if Wii U sold 10 mil it's entire lifespan, Nintendo would keep making games for it until it's last dying breath, and then start fresh with it's next console. Why don't they get it? Nintendo CANNOT fail, it's utterly impossible.

I'll wait and see.

Pachter down on Nintendo again, color me surprised (sarcasm alert). Anyone with half a brain has managed to connect the dots and see that he gets paid by Viacom which in turn got a half billion dollars from Microsoft for advertisement and pushing their product (Google "Microsoft Viacom Deal"). Remember that Viacom OWNS Gametrailers which is where he spews his insight through. This is why he is NEVER as down on Microsoft as he is on Sony and especially Nintendo. He has a vested interest in seeing a Nintendo home console go down while constantly talking about how Nintendo should go third party and put their franchises on Phones and Xbox. It would benefit his "Analyst job" as well as his Gametrailers job.

Truth is that Nintendo doesn't need the major third party's and this REALLY irritates them and the industry as a whole. Look at the Wii and name one third party that actually amounted to more than a drop in the bucket for that system. Look at the numbers and you'll see that first party software was the ONLY thing that was really successful and drove the machine. Just Dance was one of the very few major successes and it hardly "sold" the machine (it simply appealed to the millions who already had a Wii). Couple this with the fact that Nintendo actually profits on their hardware and you'll quickly see that Nintendo doesn't NEED to sell a hundred million consoles to be profitable. The Gamecube was their lowest selling home console but it was extremely profitable for them in terms of both hardware and software. Nintendo is not a bloated conglomerate like Microsoft and Sony with a 100,000 employees (Nintendo barely employs over 5,000 employees). They can afford the current situation with very little problem while a similar situation for Sony or Microsoft would spell certain doom. Pachter is saying his BS through a filter of Microsoft money and looking at the situation from a typical US corporate structure point of view that sees everything as pure profit and nothing else. Brand value does not factor into that equation because US business values don't allow for it.

The Wii U will finally prove that Nintendo really doesn't need the third party's and will instead smartly focus on stellar first party software with a major backing from the indie community due to Nintendo's open arms approach to the eShop. Sony and Microsoft will both have major struggles due to their machines being so PC like and going against far more PC gamers this generation than any previous one (remember that Steam really exploded during the last generation). This coupled with hardware power becoming much less of a driving issue this time means that exclusives and innovation will be the big driver this time around (Remember that the Wii U has both the Gamepad interface AND the Wii Motion Controls so developers can run wild with ideas).

@doctor_doak A million times this, so true!

So his stance on Ninty hasn't evolved for the last decade. Nothing new here, keep on moving people... Indies are the focus nowadays

"I think the way it shakes out is, anyone who buys a Wii U who really is a hardcore gamer is going to buy a PS4 or an Xbox One in addition so they can play those third party titles that they love"

Yeah well obviously. We've been doing it since the N64 and Nintendo's been fine.

Developers dropped support quite a bit during the first few years of the Wii because it wasn't as powerful, but when it started moving, the devs jumped on to the bandwagon. I think we'll be seeing that again this time.

The Wii U is a powerful little console, it's just a shame developers are too lazy these days, they want to make a game as quickly as possible without much hassle and reap as much money. Since the Wii U is built differently compared to the 360 and PS3, I doubt we'll be seeing many ports.

Oh my god it's gonna go maybe like the gamecube, what a terrible console that was, no multiplatform games, all exclusives that were almost all really great.

I love how patcher thinks hardcore gaming is having a power console, look at hardcore Sony fans Patcher they are mad angry with the PS4 because it's a powerhouse that forgets to have million series that never got it's full potential out. Right now they're mad angry at Santa Monica Studios because they won't release Dart and Abe, witch they were ready DLC, on PSASBR.

Need to learn what hardcore is Patcher...

I really don't see the PS4 or Xbox one selling hugely - with all the tablets, cell phones, and PC games on the market that are successful I fail to see anything new that they offer gaming thats not out already, - Wii U on the other hand I see alot more options and its been proven time and time again graphics are far from being the most important part of a game ! - Wii U will be fine NEXT ..

Pachter works for Microsoft.

@chriss720 I totaly agree we get all these doggiedoodoodingleberry games quick cash-ins it's a shame I think I would quit being a gamer if not for Nintendo the 3DS and Wii U are Awesome and could be so much more awesome if not for so many lazy developers .

I agree with him! I'm buying a ps4 because I know the wii u will not get much third party support. I'm only really waiting for zelda 2014.

@TreonsRealm & @doctor_doak I completely agree with you two. I explained haw i see the WiiU sails to a frend in a basic way (i=sail .=time) WiiU (iii.i.i.i.i.i.ii.i.i.iiii.i.i.i.ii.iiiii) over a year PS4/XBone (iiiiiiii........i......i........i...iii.) again very basic but with Sony and MS consils ppl only tend to buy them on release and Christmass yet Nintendo ppl just pickup when ever thay feal like it dew to the viriaty of difrent games availabel.

I'm one of those people that enjoys all consoles but always picked up a Nintendo machine for their games. However, the Wii U isn't currently appealing to that crowd. There's nothing like Mario 64 or Galaxy coming, no Metroid Prime, and it's far from certain that Zelda U will be anything like Ocarina or Wind Waker, and could instead be a multiplayer casual game like Four Swords. For the first 6 months of this year I was certain I would pick up a Wii U at Christmas, but E3 changed that. The type of games that made me love prior Nintendo consoles are nowhere to be seen. I really hope they get their sales boost and then think about core gamers, but I'm not sure Nintendo care about us anymore. It's all about the casuals, the 20 minutes a day gamers and things 'the whole family can play together'.

I don't care about Wii U's sales, I don't care about a lack of third party games if I get a bunch of great first party games like the Cube and 64 got, but it's depressing when people on here list Wii U games we should be excited about and it includes Wii U party and Wii U Fit

Oh look, another Nintendo is DOOOOOOOOOOOMED article. Nothing new to see here. Why does nintendolife keep reporting news of this guy again?

It seems like every time Patcher opens his mouth about Nintendo (even if what he says is the same thing he's been saying for months) Nintendo Life decides it is news ... I join in with the majority of your reader's who've commented in asking, is this really neccesary? Or are these articles simply a means for more comments which are usually solicited anyway?

It's funny patcher says this because he plans on getting one for bayonetta 2.

Will-75

I totaly agree we get all these doggiedoodoodingleberry games quick cash-ins

GTAV five years in development a quick cash in? Zelda doesn't even spend five years in development in fact non of Nintendo games do. Mario spends a year in development not even COD has one year development cycles, COD has two years development cycles between two different developers. Ironically your speaking about your own 1st party games, if look at it in development times.

@ Peach 64.

If you loved the gamecube & N64, i think there's going to be numerous great 1st party games to pick up in the short-medium term that would appeal to you. Pikmin 3 and Wonderful 101 coming in the next month are about as classic Nintendo as you can get. It really isn't all just casual stuff if you give the release schedule it's due..

i agree with Patcher but I'm pretty angry at Nintendo for having no clue what some of their fans want from a Wii U...where's Metroid? How about a NEW Zelda? Whatever happened to games like Mario Galaxy or Mario 64? If I see another "New Super Mario Bros." game in 2D or ANY game that's a collection of mini-games I'm going to scream. I love my 3DS, though. I can't bear the thought of buying a Wii U for Pikimin 3 and Project 101 and having NOTHING new to play for months at a time--especially when my finances are tight.

>Backwards compatible
>ALL the wii accessories such as wii remote , pro controller and even the loving balance board are compatible
>FREE online (miiverse is a bigger inovation than the gamepad itself imo)
>off-tv gaming
>which is basically a wii portable , which means that you can play any nintendo game ever made from the comfiness of your bed/toilet. And dont tell me you never wanted to play gamecube games on a portable system
>Objectively the best first party games/exclusives
>bayo 2
>pikman 3
>w101
>shin megaten x waifu emblem
>smash 4
>windu wayka remake
>mario kart 8
>X monolith soft
>inevitable metroid game (the possibilities are beyond human imagination with the gamepad , Game of the gen already confirmed)
>zelda U
>sonic lost world
>yarn yoshi
Nintendo :
>desperately tryng to save bayonetta , sonic and megaman
>not the savior of gaming

Having a decent gaming pc, is there ANY point at ALL to get a multi-plat4 and or an xbone?
ANY reason?
Oh yeah , there are those AWESOME sony and microsoft exclusives such as god of war! and Gears of war! Come on now

Well I really don't care what happens to the WiiU it never interested me anyways, on the other hand, bring on the games on my 3DS!! Love this baby!

Ahh, Michael Pachter...
I remember, back in 2004, when both Sony and Nintendo were about to release their portable systems, pretty much everyone was quick to dig Nintendo's grave. They all heard the specs of the PSP, the screen, etc, while all Nintendo could come up with was a 2nd screen. Until then I had never seen such overwhelming hype placed on one system over another. It was literally "David vs Goliath". In the end, of course, Nintendo saw where consumers were heading, and their "touchscreen" experiment was a success to the detriment of the PSP, which was merely a shinier way to play the same old overhyped mature games.
Fast forward to 2013, and I'm sort of feeling that same tension in the air. Sony and MS have made very nice systems, but neither has caught up with the changing trend of gaming, which is new, affordable to make, independent games--specifically tailored to be used with a touchscreen (ipod/smartphone-type) interface. I really really feel this is where the "next gen" of consumers will come from. If Nintendo just does well with indie developers, and online sales, it might not matter that the 3rd parties in Sony and MS' camp aren't with Nintendo. They'll eventually come crawling back like they did with the DS.

i dont think that nintendo has lost its mojo just because the wii u is mediorce and looks like it will be for the foreseeable future. 3ds is on fire and its upcoming line up is very exciting.

@Hyperstar96

You know, no one's forcing you to read these news and comment on them. I fyou don't like 'em, ignore 'em. Others appreciate to get all kinds of Nintendo-related news. Not just the raisins to pick. Why should we not be able to get thee news just because you are apparently incapable of ignoring a news?

This guy's behind must be REALLY jealous of his mouth...

Nintendo as a whole haven't lost their mojo, just look at 3DS, but the Wii U side certainly has. Wii U is a boat without a rudder, sail, mast or crew...

...but the Wii U won't give up. It can't give up. It will row with it's own two hands and claw it's way back.

The Wii U will make a comeback but in the meantime the 3DS shall continue to keep my life.

Fast forward to 2013, and I'm sort of feeling that same tension in the air. Sony and MS have made very nice systems, but neither has caught up with the changing trend of gaming, which is new, affordable to make, independent games--specifically tailored to be used with a touchscreen (ipod/smartphone-type) interface.

Apparently $399 is not affordable but $349 is, you've forgot the part you'll able to play on any portable device, mobiles, tablets etc.

Well i decided ages ago not to get a ps4 or xbox one, due to the fact i've got hundreds of great games i've still not played on the ps3/360. This years E3 sparked my interest in wii u, plus the fact I'm really enjoying nintendo games on my 3ds. The list of games only available on wii u is growing into something special. (zombie, NSMBu,Pikmin, mario 3d, 101, donkey kong, mario kart,lego city, sonic lost world,) I've only not brought a wii u yet because summer is here and i'll be outside for most of it, and i'm certain after summer maybe october there will be a price cut, or some good deals.

So in a way Patcher is right i'm only buying a wii u for games I can only play on wii u!

Dear NintendoLife,
You can just say no. Really you can. Everytime Phil Fish vomits on to Twitter, you can say "no, we don't have to quote him, it's not news." Everytime Pachter is feeling insecure and goes fishing for headlines, you can say "no, we don't have to blog about this, it's not news." And it's not news, guys, it's gossip, it's posturing, it's wild guesses in the wind (just look at his E3 predictions, they were way off the mark, but game journos still reported on his blather like drooling little puppies). I say this out of love. You guys are better than this. Stop catering to the personalities. This isn't Kotaku for Mario's sake.
A Fan

If I remember correctly, YOU, Pachter, bought a U for specifically one game... now what was that? Ah yeah, Bayonetta 2. -sigh- idiot analyst...

While I have no interest in these huge third party titles and am content to live off of Nintendo's first party content, I am not oblivious to the fact that most people are not of the same mind set. I sometimes wonder if hanging around a Nintendo-focused website alters our perception of the average gamer and their wants. And let's be honest, NSMBU is not really the innovative system seller that parallels Super Mario 64, Super Smash Bros. Melee, Super Mario Galaxy, or Wii Sports. Even more grim for Nintendo is the huge success of Sonic Racing Transformed...it is a whole lot more fun than Mario Kart Wii was in my opinion and may lessen the impact that Mario Kart 8 will have upon release. There may be a bit more truth in this man's words than we want to believe.

@Fazermint

He's not an idiot, he has 4 degrees and happens to be completely right here. You buy a Nintendo home console to play the excellent first-party content that Nintendo develops, which everybody agrees are great games. If, however, you care about great third party games like the God of War series, The Last of Us, and so on and so forth, you need another console to play them on. That's just a fact.

Screw FIFA, Battlefield, Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto. These are the types of games that are ruining the industry now. I'd love to go back to the NES, SNES, & Genesis days of gaming. They just don't make'em like they used to, and they never will.

Nintendo has once again failed to please the Sultan. 30 lashes!

@DESS-M-8 But they did make it in black and white...

@Tysamu

Bayonetta 2 is one third-party exclusive. One in like 2 years of the system's life (unless you care about Lego City). Compare that to all of the other games that will never appear on the Wii U and that Bayonetta 2 doesn't really seem all that significant anymore.

Nobody's saying that Nintendo's games aren't great, but most people want to have other gaming experiences too. Nintendo should just go the way of Sega because they simply can't compete in the home console race. The 3DS is another story, though.

While I agree with the general point he's making...

"They're not going to sell a lot of consoles if they don't have games like FIFA and Battlefield and Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto."

I'm sorry, but no one buys a Nintendo console to play those games, they just don't. Following that logic no Nintendo console would have ever been successful. Bad examples there, Pachter.

@WaveBoy: Sadly this is true. Call of "Doodie" is the worst offender here. How many times can them rebox and rehash the same garbage?

He has a point and honestly if Nintendo does not do well with the Wii U this and next year, Pachter will be right.

He is not helping the Wii U in anyway there are consumers who have yet to
Discover
Wii U and try it but will see this guy speaking negatively about it and immediately write it off completely
and then spread the bad word about Wii U based on this guys opinion. How does he expect the Wii U to do good if he keeps trashing it. With good first party games come good sales and with good sales comes more third party games.

@WaveBoy: Damn right! Where the hell are our classics?

I buy Nintendo consoles for SEGA games

Patcher can shove it. Nintendo was still great during it's underdog years (N64-GC) and I'll happily stick by should they return.

KnightRider666

@WaveBoy: Sadly this is true. Call of "Doodie" is the worst offender here. How many times can them rebox and rehash the same garbage?

Cannot the same be said about Mario, with it's yearly development cycles? Not that i like COD but it does spend a year more in development.

Sigh, mean while i'll be playing pikman 3 & Drangons Crown next month, choice is like a fine wine.

@banacheck
I was talking about the software development environment, not about the price of the Wii U.

Pachters a lovable fluffy teddy-bear with an agenda to follow.
_{Watch the language. In no way is that word acceptable here — TBD}
I have a Wii U, and hey, if no one other than nintendo produces games for it then maybe one day I might buy another console again.

But, as a 32yr old male with a young kid I remember two points a games company salesman said

(1) Nintendo will always have the kid friendly games

(2) you can play "off TV"

Serious man... I can take a dump and keep shooting/jumping for coins/zeldering!!!

The Wii U has specific advantages and disadvantages, and it will live and die by them. But Patcher is just an opinion. Unfortunately, he spends his time convincing others that his opinion is correct.

Dude, my son will be introduced to mario way before call of duty, and my wife dominates lounge TV viewing. Nintendo, market right there.

I'm still thinking PS4 and X-box one will face similar problems to Wii U in their early days.
The PS3 and X-box 360 still have a lot of life in them and i'd expect them to have a fairly steady stream of games for at least another year. I think it will take a while for exisitng users to upgrade to them, accepting that there will be a core audience of early adopters, but how will it go after that?
When considering upgrading from Wii to Wii U it was a much easier choice.
I think the Wii-U will pick up when the first party games start arriving, unfortunately, Nintendo have got off to a slow start, which is hurting the machine right now. However, Nintendo have some huge, system selling games, that will be hitting during the launch window of the other two machines, so i think there's still plenty.of unknowns and it's too early for gloom and doom.
@KnightRider666 Yeah love the good old SMS/NES, MD/SNES days, so many timeless classics.

@banacheck
I was talking about the software development environment, not about the price of the Wii U.

Believe me there is a lot more indie titles to choose from over the Wii U lack of it, at the moment.

I love it when Mr Patcher,hatches a plan to P*** off Nintedo gamers.

Nothing controversial here.

Nintendo is aiming for a mainstream market which they just can't maintain. The strategy of playing it safe with 1st party games, and leaving the other developers to innovate is exactly the wrong way round.

When a child pesters their parents for the latest 2D Mario game, at some point mum and dad are going to say 'No, you already have this game, we don't have the money; play Angry Birds on the iPad.'

Nintendo are going back to the situation where they depended on portable console success. Let's face it that's where we're heading, Nintendo making portable consoles that you can also plug into your TV.

The 'playing it safe' argument is erroneous for 2 reasons:
1) The biggest success Nintendo has ever had, the Wii, did not 'play it safe' when it came to games.
2) In troubled times, Nintendo has relied on it's fan base, which simply won't be there if they keep on producing repetitive dross.

If 3rd party developers are abandoning the Wii U, if Nintendo themselves aren't making innovative games, significant numbers of Nintendo fans aren't buying the console, then what is left? Nintendo as a Japan only, handheld only games company.

The Wii U isn't ready yet. Remember when Nintendo released consoles prepared?
-N64: Super Mairo 64, used control scheme extremely well, great game.
-Wii: Wii Sports, utilized control scheme fantastically, and good fun.
-Wii U: NintendoLand. What? A disastrous compromise of trying to please fans and casual gamers. The F-Zero mini-game sums it all up.
Casual Gamer: "What the hell is F-Zero?"
Nintendo Fan: "What the hell is this? I've been wanting to play a real F-Zero game for ages."

Pachter questioned why anyone would even consider picking up the console, aside from the (rather significant) reason of being able to play Nintendo games.

I said this before but – that isn't so significant when you put the 3ds into the equation. Nintendo hardly make any console-defining games (i.e. stuff they certainly wouldn't be capable of porting to their handheld simultaneously or a few years later). Mostly the same kind of games are being announced/released between the two. The reason to own both is almost non-existent for anybody.

Go on, post a comment. You know you want to.

lol...

@ScorpionMG LMAO, blame Iwata.

@Iasonas93

you need to BOLD the toilet bit.

Sold me on it.

In all honesty I never buy third party games on my Nintendo consoles (unless they are exclusives) so he is right in a way, next gen I will use the Wii U for Nintendo exclusives only and PS4 for everything else.

Before we get on Pachter too bad, remember that he's an analyst whose job is to make money for his investors, which means his primary job is to NOT lose money for his investors; there's a reason he's always doom and gloom on Nintendo, and it's because he doesn't want to tell investors maybe and then be wrong. Did you notice how his analysis came with a bunch of "ifs" concerning 3rd party support? There's no indication that Ubisoft is going to pull development for WiiU even though he implies it's a possibility--he's just hedging his bets because it's better to be wrong about WiiU being a failure than the other way around.

That being said, I think he misses one key point in his analysis (aside from underplaying the significance of Nintendo IP), and that's price point. PS4 is NOT $50 cheaper than WiiU. If you look at the total cost of ownership for a similar experience across the consoles (we're talking console + first game + local multiplayer + motion controls + 500 GB storage + Blu Ray + Online offerings + second screen), it's WiiU in at $558, PS4 at 1210 and XBONE at $1219 over a 7 year life span (the Sony and MS consoles get more expensive with a longer life because of the online fees). PS4 and XBONE are pretty competitvely priced once you factor everything in, but it's not even close to the WiiU. Once Nintendo realizes this and gets people to pay attention, they'll have a solid reason to pick up WiiU, even if they didn't before.

Sad thing is, I'm feeling underwhelmed with the entire 'next gen' of consoles. At this rate, I think I might end up sticking with PS3 and Wii and just going through the back catalogues.

I also don’t like the over familiar brown grey 'realistic' look afflicting a lot of modern day games, the new look for ‘Dead Rising’, is a good example, it seems to have lost what made it visually distinct, and to me that was a large part of the appeal in the game.

It’s like every other big budget game is so desperate to appeal to the mass market, to be a block buster, they are all starting to look quite similar, and in the cases of ‘rebooting’ once distinct franchises, alienating many the people that were fans of the series in the first place.

I’m not writing new the consoles off, but at the moment, I'm not running out to 'upgrade'!

@Ristar42
"I'm feeling underwhelmed with the entire 'next gen' of consoles."

Same here.

So this means by the start of next year Wii U's sales will have tripled?

@DESS-M-8 I agree. I can't imagine a scenario where xBone is number 1 or 2... Perhaps he's projecting what he wants to happen.... We all know his favorite company is Microsoft, he can't seem to grasp that the xBone is going to be a commercial failure, even with the back tracking.

The PR damage has been done, and after the NSA revelations about our government watching all of us with the help of companies like Microsoft, nobody in their right mind should purchase a box that always requires its camera to be plugged in.

Having deleted the expletive bases tirade I was about to post, I ask, can anyone state a single global marketplace duopoly dominated by two main players, that is completely stable and both participants are infallible and without rebuke.

Nintendo should be fine. From what I can work out, they have more exclusives that either of the other two, with some multiplatform support (obviously hopefully more). They have a niche product which amongst the 6 billion of us worldwide should make enough sales to support their workforce, which is apparently around 5000 worldwide.

Infact, why am I writing this, the wife and kid are asleep, Im off to play some COD and then VC mario. If you see me online, well done, Im not the best, to be brutaly honest. Be nice...

I have been a gamer since the NES days. People have said this about every Nintendo system since the N64. Every time a new system comes out. Honestly. haha.

Pachter buried the DS, Wii and 3DS as well. If the Wii U will do as badly as those consoles, Nintendo will be very happy. The only console that has done better than those is the PS2.

Oh yeah.. watching wimbledon, loading up the off tv gaming.

Just saying.

@banacheck It's Pikmin, not Pikman.

@Banker-Style

correction. he upset's nintendo fanboys. the majority of nintendo gamers are not affected by his opinion.

I can't help but wonder if this guy has an interest in seeing Nintendo fail. He just doesn't stop with the doom and gloom.

@Guitardude7, I completely agree. I would prefer to keep his opinions off this site all together. He's nothing but a downer.

@Kewlan I didn't read it. My only problem with this article is that I read about this Pachter guy dooming Nintendo weeks ago and then the week before that. I don't think it's news every time he says something about Nintendo. And I'm not going to just ignore it. Nintendo Life is a site for fans of Nintendo, which I am, and I'll defend it when I hear crap like this over and over. I enjoy this site for its great feature articles and its reviews but constantly having to put up with articles about 'Pachter said this' is silly. It's like Nintendo Life are trying too hard to be non biased by posting bad news about Nintendo when it hardly qualifies as news. Pachter, like many, has been wrong before. I'm just expressing my opinion, hopefully the operators of this site know that some of us are sick of these articles. I'm no fanboy, I love videogames in general, but when I come to a site called Nintendo Life, I want to read about things important to Nintendo.

OK Pachter, we get it. You think the Wii U is going to do horrible.

None of the next gen consoles (which I'm having a hard time even considering them next gen) really do anything for me. I think on a whole the video game industry will start to decline. People are not able to be amazed and dazzled any longer and too many new games are just cut and paste. I still want a Wii U despite what this raving idiot says.

Hard to argue with him really. I mean, he does strike one point, people who want to play Nintendo games will buy a Nintendo console and there are still plenty of them.

I don't see Nintendo as being in trouble, though almost certainly a distant third. I am increasingly of the opinion that Nintendo's home-hardware's days are numbered because the profits on hardware are so small these days. Nintendo stand to make a lot more money by going multiplatform and selling only software.

If Activision pulls support; if you see Ubisoft, you see Take-Two pull support, the Wii U is a Nintendo-only gaming device which is they way they were back with the Nintendo Entertainment System in 1985.

Yeah, the NES had terrible third party support! I challenge you to name even one third party game, let alone a great one we still play and talk about today!

Oh, you can name nearly 100 off the top of your head? Nevermind...

This man is really getting on my nerves. As is the news about him and his immature jibber jabber on his quest for acceptance amongst teenage 'gamers'.

I thought hating on Nintendo was something little kids did because it's 'cooler' and 'more mature' to hate 'kiddy' Nintendo and play only 18+/m-rated games while insulting strangers on the internet or through their headsets. Clearly an 'analyst' can be just as childishly idiotic in his search for acceptance.

Who entitled this person 'analyst'? Don't they at least need to know what's going on before blabbering biased bull droppings? It's as if third party support is the ONLY thing making or breaking a system.

Really... It's getting painful watching big budget cry baby, money hungry third parties going hand in hand with biased, internet trend following so-called analysts in their crudade against the only company solely focused on what we want in this industry: consoles and games.

The people at Nintendo are businessmen and developers in one, and they're proud of that and love what they do. A major plus for them and them only. I see them sooner going smaller then selling out multiplatform.

seriously i got a wii u sinse is out and all i want is more game like this i'm on game and wario and its totally fun with buddies

idgaf about xbox one and ps4 for now when i'm playing a game what I want is FUN not listen a movie or shooting easy target i'm sick of all game who's are all the same like the movie in hollywood with poor script and incredible FX like THE MAN OF STEEL I want good rpg fun game and local and internet multiplayer

i'm gonna puke fps games if that continue on that way

If he attacked Nintendo for not having games ready or sitting on their billions I would agree with him but he is just reporting old news and trying to invent his own future news.

I am not sure why he riles so many Nintendo fans up, most of the time his negative predictions turn out to be false. In fact, all of the Wii U's troubles began when he predicted they'd sell 12M in year one. Bring on the negativity Pachter, you're advertising Wii U more heavily than Nintendo at the moment.

I'm a hardcore gamer who owns a Wii U, a 3DS, and a PC. I really see absolutely no reason to buy a PS4 or a XBox One, as there are really no games I really want to play that won't be out for one the platforms I own.

I was looking at a "Top 10 PS4 Games from E3" video compilation the other day, and man do they all look the same. Modern setting, guns, gritty realism. I guess I can honestly say I don't understand the taste of gamers these days, as all of that doesn't appeal to me at all. [shrugs]

I agree with the fact that the Wii U has problems and clearly needs more support. That analysis is spot on. Pachter (which oddly enough just auto corrected to pachyderm) seems however to be actively campaigning against the Wii U. That is silly and juvenile. Point out where Nintendo needs to change and highlight the other systems all you want, but it simply sounds like here that he wants to take Nintendo out.

Great, Pachters back. Ok so one thing, I like Nintendo just the way they are, I actually like their games and I don't give a crap about Call of Duty and all those bloody shooters. Now leave Nintendo alone and shut up.

@TimoteiWest

I am increasingly of the opinion that Nintendo's home-hardware's days are numbered because the profits on hardware are so small these days. Nintendo stand to make a lot more money by going multiplatform and selling only software.

Sounds like a plan.

why does nintendolife, always have to put those message, what others has to say, it is as they support the doom and gloom, bring real news, about games, or plans from nintendo.

Well as long as people are still buying it the Nintendo is fine (the Wii60 comment).
Now if people just buy a ps4 or xbo then they are screwed.

I wouldn't worry too much. He said the same thing about the 3DS, now he says that only smart phones/tablets and 3DS are viable options in the handheld market. In all honesty i expect the PS4 and XBOX1 to fly of the shelfs in November and December but they will fall sharply come January.

To everyone wondering why NintendoLife keeps publishing these "doom and gloom" articles about Pachter and others;

Because the fact that each article's comment section explodes and goes off the wall at each one, proves that these articles are well-read. The fact that so many people are asking why they're being posted, shows that you've at least read them. What, should NintendoLife be posting puppy dogs and ice cream when something like this pops up instead of reporting what we should all know regarding our favorite brand?

No, they shouldn't. In fact, I encourage NintendoLife to bring on the Pachter articles and the articles from other perspectives once in a while. It keeps the news interesting. Once in a while I'll read an article that doesn't report much, and in the comments section I see someone saying "Slow news day, eh?" Then when something that's actually interesting to read pops up, you all say "Oh NintendoLife please don't post these artciles!"

It's the freakin' NEWS regarding Nintendo, people. Sheesh.

Anyway, so going back to what the article was talking about... yeah, Pachter is about half-right. I kind of agree about the Wii U launch timing. Like a lot of other Wii U owners I feel like the early adopters are more "beta testers" than anything else. We've had a sparse variety of software, a laughable Virtual Console, and third-parties bailing on us. That's all true.

However, like someone already pointed out, Pachter seems to forget that once the first-party software does roll out, Nintendo consoles reel in with their success. And with the coming onslaught of first-party titles I feel like we'll do just fine in the next year. I'm pulling for Nintendo as much as anyone else is, so if you want Nintendo and the Wii U to succeed (and third parties to begin having faith again) you've gotta support their software when it launches.

Other than that I still think it's too soon to make a grave for the Wii U. It's getting a lot of unfair negativity from lazy developers and people who are, well, too lazy to see what the console's all about.

Agreed. Wii U is for the hardcore gamer while the other two are for casuals.

Wait... did I miss his point? Lol.

There´s nothing controversial about his statement. With less than 4 million consoles sold since release things look dark. And with new consoles released this winter, it doesn´t look bright.

1985 is a strange comparation though, since Nintendo owned the market in the NES days.

OBviously, I'm a Nintendo Fanboy. I also own 250-300 PC games, a 360, a PS3, and I once met a guy who heard about a guy who owned a Vita. After watching some of E3, reading the highlights, and speaking to my friends who were there... meh. Depending on Fallout 4 and the next Mass Effect, and whether or not my PC can play them, I think I am just skipping the next console generation all together. My Wii U blows my Xbox and PS3 away- I've used Xbox Live maybe 7 times since the first Xbox, way back in...2003? 2004? Whenever it was. But the MiiVerse actually makes me feel connected to a gaming community as a whole. Reading the complaints and confusion of other players on the load screens of Mario games, seeing that about 5 Miis are actually playing Little Inferno right now, and that 3 people are thinking about Animal Crossing... I love it. The off-TV gameplay is fantastic. Luigi's Mansion mini-game on NintendoLand brings me more fun in parties than every shooter I've ever played, combined. After looking over all the upcoming games, (keep in mind I own mass effect, wear mass effect clothes, and own most call of duties) all I am really looking forward to is Mario and Luigi: Dream Team, Smash Bros, Mario KArt, and the next Professor Layton. You can have your doom and gloom predictions, kind sir. You probably thought the same thing about the Wii, but it doesn't matter. The Wii U is the only console I'm excited about, because the games.... are FUN. RE6 is an interactive movie. Call of Duty: Black Ops was 5,000,000,000 explosions in a long corridor. Fable 3 was disappointment ina box. And these are the best of the best, the flagship franchises of the new generation. Eff it. Time to go play Animal Crossing.

Edit: I realize Dream Team and Layton are 3DS titles. But to me, its all one big Nintendo Family- home of Mario Kart, Samus, Layton and Ness. On my Xbox? HookerKiller 3000, Call of WarCriminal HeroMan, and bald-white-guy-has-powers-attacks-generic-soldiers 7. Meh.

Why would I buy a Wii U? Because I'm not a goshdarned 19-year-old frat brother! I am not the target demographic for ANY of the four examples of gaming franchises Pachter mentions, and honestly, neither are most of the people who purchased the Wii and Wii U. I don't enjoy Sports games, FPS games, or War games.

XBOne has their demographic - let them keep it. PS4 will very likely be the most broadly purchased console, as it has the widest selection of games. So, why would anyone buy a Wii U? Because it's a great system that doesn't specialize in games for 19-year-old douche bags.

How the love X box Done surpassed Wii u? dam custard!?

He got paid to say this. Expect more as we get closer to the console releases. They've got a lot of money to spend and their best bet is to label Wii U as weak in hardware and too replicative offering nothing new to gaming. In my opinion, I have yet to see anything revolutionary from the big two. Expect this gen to look like last.

Slow news week this week. I was wondering when the latest installment of "As the Pachter Turns" (or for you folks across the pond "Pachter Abby") was going to take place.

As long as people have grown up and gotten over their gamerscore or trophy collection then it's not hard to imagine most gamers buying a "next-gen" console AND a Nintendo console.

@Doma no, im not blaming iwata, he is doing his job, and patcher should do his job as well.

Nintendo lost its Mojo Jojo

@KeeperBvK

He's doing a tremendous job of being a big idiot. NES didn't have third party support? WTF is he talking about?

Pachter is in the business of saying good things about certain companies and bad things about others. He's playing a game. That is all.

We can get mad all we want, but the fact is: Pachter is right. There is literally ZERO reason to get a WiiU over a PS4 outside the fact that WiiU has ninty games. By this time next year, i doubt we'll be seeing much better third party support, and nintendo's sales will be driven solely by Smash Bros and Mario Kart. I dont think the software lineup coming out in 2013 is compelling enough for a WiiU, as most my friends on the fence about getting one have said they dont really care about DKCTF, W101, or WWHD. They dont even want SM3DW cause they say its just a 3D version of the NSMB games, wwhich they dont care for enough to buy a console. When i asked them what games they would get one for it was pretty unanimous: Smash Bros, and a couple have said a brand new Zelda game. ALL of them want a PS4 or Xbox One though, because they know it will be supported by first and third party titles.

Nintendo is in trouble, and i dont see them getting out of it soon. They made a big mistake with WiiU in thinking it was innovative enough to compete against PS4 and Xbone. Its not. I own one, and i know its not because most WiiU games barely use the gamepad for anything cool outside off tv play, which is doable on handhelds like 3DS, which have way better games than WiiU, and tablets/phones. It is only marginally more powerful than PS3, and pales in comparison to PS4 and Xbone. It has no third party support because of that, and little public interest as well. It is only $50 cheaper than a far superior console this holiday, and comes with only 32GB of storage, while PS4 comes with 500GB. It literally has no reason to be bought outside of Nintendo games.

Nintendo needs to quit trying to innovate with its hardware and start innovating with its software again like it did back in the day. You know, when they were actually winning the console wars.

@TimoteiWest Nintendo would go handheld only before they go software only.

@banacheck: At least Mario and mega Man are good every damn time. I never like call of the craps, period.

Well, that's something that happened on the last gen. For every PS3 or 360 sold, a Wii was sold too, right?

If the same thing happens this gen, Nintendo won't be in trouble.

@WaveBoy: Code Veronica was the last classic Resident Evil title. Once Resident Evil 4 came out, the franchise took a nose dive.

He keeps spewing the same crap over and over, and honestly I don't care, one guy don't effect me.

@RetrogamerFan: I'm sure you're right about PS4 and Xbomb. IMO new console should NOT be released unless a solid line up of games is released the same day as the console. Everything is rushed anymore. Haste makes waste, and haste makes for weak console launches.

I have hated on this guy over and over, but I do think Nintendo has missed the boat on some things. However, there are a lot of people who own a Wii, and if the Wii goes out you are going to buy a Wii U. It is the only system that will play your old games. Plus, I am not real sure how many early adopters of a system you will see in this next generation.

I have an insane amount of backlog to try to play through. I will spend the next year getting through that. I do not plan on getting either one of the new systems. I think this holiday season will go a long way telling us where Nintendo stands. They have a big lineup on the way. They do need to spend the net several months making sure the public knows more about the system.

@Peach64 - "The type of games that made me love prior Nintendo consoles are nowhere to be seen."

You can see Nintendo making them on the 3DS. As usual I pretty much agree w/ everything you said, but I'm still probably buying a WiiU for Pikmin 3 next month (if the price is right), and W101, and Windwaker HD as I never played the original and this one seems much better. Then Mario at Christmas and Kart next summer, w/ Bayonetta 2 probably in between. It's slim pickings, but just barely enough.

kudos to everyone who pointed out Nintendo hasn't lost it's mojo - they've just used it up, spent it, and exhausted themselves on the 3DS making Kid Icarus, Luigi's Mansion, Dream Team, A Link Between Worlds and others I can't recall at the moment. (The WiiU got Windwaker HD, an HD remake)

As for Pachter's views on Nintendo, I'm not sure what his point is. The WiiU will sell on it's 1st party strengths, it won't sell as well as the Wii (anybody who thinks otherwise is probably delusional, it just won't). Nobody knows how the PS4 and X1 will sell so you can't compare the 3.

As long as Nintendo makes money and good games - in that order - I don't think they care if they're the 1st, 2nd or 3rd best selling home console. And as long as the 3DS dominates they have an edge over Sony and MS.

Wii U will do fine in comparison with One and PS4. All of the consoles will face difficulties this generation.

sigh Pachters a moron, stop giving this moron any kind of spotlight NintendoLife, he's not ****ing news >< He hates Nintendo (despite saying otherwise, which he's a huge liar) and I've learned he knows NOTHING about video games. Stop reporting this guy, be the bigger man, stop fueling the fire!!

He says the NES was only a Nintendo system, last time I checked, it was home to basicly ALL the third party at that time, that right there should tell people that he knows absolutely NOTHING.

The ignorance in the comment sections here is quite a site. Pachter has a lot of good points here. Most if you talking about how you don't want "gritty" games and stuff are the people talks about with this "unless you just have to play Nintendo games." The fact if the matter is that you don't represent most consumers. The Wii U does have a hard time selling itself compared to PS4 and XBone. I don't see that much reason to buy one when compared them.

For the same reason they'd buy a Xboxone, to play the exlusives. Dear Pachter and all the other tools out there who want to play Zelda games on Sony products; it'll never happen, take that fantasy it and file it in the same place you file the idea of getting sexy with Miley Cyrus and Megan Fox at the same time, and live with the fact that the latter is something you'll have a better chance of getting.

He's not saying anything wrong here, almost all he says is pretty much true. Nintendo is definitely not at the heights it just a couple years ago and this generation a box that only plays Nintendo games isn't going to cut it. With the PS4 being only $50 higher that hurts the Wii U even more. Do I think Nintendo has lost it's mojo? Not exactly, Nintendo still makes some of the most fun games to play. What Nintendo needs to do is simple, better marketing, price cut and more games (which are on the way). At this point in time, no, I don't really see the reason to own a Wii U, next year though I see myself purchasing one for sure!

Just to clarify for everyone who seems to have their knickers in a knot about his NES comment.

He referred to the situation of games in 1985.

In 1985, there were 3 games released that weren't made by Nintendo.

@russellohh Amen to you and your loved ones. Agreed x 10.
(Although I have and do enjoy my 360 for some exclusive XBLA stuff. And I'm seriously considering getting a cheap PS3 simply for all the crazy awesome PSN stuff already there or coming soon. But right now my Wii U gets daily game-time when I can tear myself away from the 3DS, so I ain't hurting for fun.)

@WaveBoy: Correct. I forgot about zero, and the remake of 1 on the Game Cube.

@LittleIrves I have a bunch of PS3 games, but the only ones I really play are Ni No Kuni, Ni No Kuni, one run through Bioshock Infinite, and uhhh.... Ni No Kuni.

"Nintendo, I think, waited two years too long to launch a competitive, high definition console"

I fully agree with this. The Wii pretty much died 2010/2011 so why Nintendo didn't get moving quicker on Wii U I will never know. They were sitting on their laurels thinking they were indestructible.

It's funny how the market leaders get complacent and cocky, then bugger their lead up. It happened with Sony, Nintendo and even MS are at it at the moment.

What Pachter is not saying and constantly swirls around is the fact that the PS4 is priced 50 bucks less than the Wii U because it's not a complete package. They left out the camera attachment thing at the last minute to maintain a price lower than the Xbox One's. It's a scam. The latest PS consoles (Vita and PS4) are going to be full of hidden costs.

Xbox One is too pricey. PS4 is not the full experience out of the box.

Nintendo - You buy the damn thing(Wii U), it works with old games, old controllers and you get the full experience right away. Nothing is missing.

But Pachter never mentions this. What an ''analyst''. This guy is a joke and his comments are desperate attempts to hurt one of the most respectable video game companies.

Do you know what's even more hilarious than Pachter's comments? The overly sensistive commenters who keep on replying to these articles in such a defensive way lmao talk about troll bait, just don't listen or even better take it all with a grain of salt.

Hardcore gamers NOT buying a Nintendo console ? I guess his understanding of "hardcore gamers" boils down to CoD addicts and such.
The "hardcore gamers" i know were all born with a NES controller in hand and crave new Nintendo games all the time

WoW this guy is a Jackass!!!! Uh maybe because lots of gamers love Nintendo Games which are usually some of the best games on the market... Uh and the gamepad offers a truly different experience than its pricy competition... I for one don't give a damn about GTA or Battlefield and will be perfectly fine without them o by the way if U get a Sony or Microsoft... Sorry no Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Pikmin 3, Ledgend of Zelda, Wii Party U, Sonic Lost World, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Mario Kart 8 or Super Smash Bros Wii U .... Hmm I think those are pretty good reasons to own a Wii U ... And I would be upset without them if I had another console ... That only offered Shooters, Racers & Sports that's the reason I made the switch from Xbox 360 to Wii U !!!!! So patcher do the world a favor and step in front of a freight train

He's making sense to me. If you are really a gaming aficionado, you're pretty likely to get a Xone or PS4, since all the third party games will be on those, and it's not likely there won't be enough games to entice you. With WiiU, on the other hand, if you don't like Nintendo games, why would you buy it?

If the Wii U doesn't have an amazing holiday season, it'll basically turn out like the Gamecube sales-wise.

He's not news. This is not news. He's an analyst who shouldn't even be talking to the public, yet does because of people continually using his quotes for click bait.

What he says is irrelevant to Nintendo or the industry and he is not an insider; just a troll with an opinion and a voice because of sites like this.

Stop. Posting. His. Crap.

Unfollow and not more nlife if you quote this troll again.

"They're not going to sell a lot of consoles if they don't have games like FIFA and Battlefield and Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto."
Let me repeat . If I want to play these games I would play them on my PC. I want to play Nintendo games.

a company whose stock has slipped over 70% in 3 years is losing its mojo. I think Pachter is right.

I say, wait until about a year has passed when all three consoles have been out for a while, THEN the arguments can start flying around.

Quick, NintendoLifers, a Pachter mention!

Get in here!

@Klimbatize LMAO!

As frustrating as the market's turn toward the trumpeting of and massive support for all of these masculine-biased games makes me because, as someone who feels alternately cold and anxious toward that style of gaming, it is still true that this is where the market lies.

How many of you have that one friend who will buy the latest Warman 6 on launch day, with a bunch of accessories, and then play a few times? Maybe everyone does, but those guys do spend lots and lots of money.

I'd consider gaming one of my hobbies, but I maybe spend 50 dollars a month on it. Usually less, often nothing.

These guys are to gaming what the New Year's Resolution guys are to gyms everywhere. If we didn't have high-rollers with no intention of really getting into the hobby, the hobby would not be sustainable.

Financially, Nintendo will be behind the ball not to court them. But, from my selfish hobbyist perspective, I'm kind of glad they aren't doing that

Yes, I have WiiU and I won´t buy PS4 or Xbone so just shut up. I do have PS3 though.

Personally, I think FIFA, CoD, and Battlefield are not fun, and that Pikmin 3 is a good reason to own a Wii U. However, Nintendo has been slipping quite a bit with it's home console and the way they go about their business these days. There is definitely room for change, and therefore improvement.

"They're not going to sell a lot of consoles if they don't have games like FIFA and Battlefield and Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto"
Except that the Wii outsold the PS3 and 360, and CoD and FIFA weren't even among its top 50 sellers, and it never had a GTA. Also, the Wii's 7 best selling games outsold any CoD, FIFA, or GTA on the 360 or PS3.

"There's PS4 priced fifty bucks more than a Wii U."
$100 more, actually. The Wii U starts at $300, and the $350 model includes a $60 game.

I agree.

he hear too stop this this is not right

This article has almost 10 times as many comments as the other articles on this site & you wonder why websites post Pachter's comments???? Hits,hits,hits,hits,hits,hits,hits....it's the ONLY reason!!

Pach-Man strikes again!

Okay, let's look at this.

Nintendo, I think, waited two years too long to launch a competitive, high definition console

Possible, maybe back then they could have built a better relationship with third parties since the other consoles didn't have better specs. An even higher price-point than its current one might have been a problem though.

... the Wii U is a Nintendo-only gaming device

Not the case if all the announced eShop games will really be released. eShop games are not likely to move systems though.

They're not going to sell a lot of consoles if they don't have games like FIFA and Battlefield and Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto.

Also possible, although it might easily be that the typical Ninty games will still move a lot of consoles. It's hard to say though since imo it was mostly Wii's image that helped it selling like hotcakes, not so much the games. _{Though they were there at the right time to keep the momentum going.}

There's PS4 priced fifty bucks more than a Wii U. I mean, why would anyone buy a Wii U, unless they just have to play Nintendo games?

While for the most part i agree i see Nintendo Land's Zelda game as a game everyone should play if given the chance, even if you usually don't like their games. _{Maybe even its competetive games, Rabbids Land or Game & Wario. Haven't played these yet.}

anyone who buys a Wii U who really is a hardcore gamer is going to buy a PS4 or an Xbox One in addition

I can see that happening for me. _{I plan to buy a PS3 first though. And since there's a lot for me to catch up on it'll probably be a while until i get either a PS4 or maybe even a One.} I had vague hopes that the Wii U might become the system for first and third party titles alike, but let's face it, it's not gonna happen.

In a whole i think many of us expected more third-party support after what Ninty's told us about its Wii U plans. While it's sure going to hurt U some it remains to be seen if it's really going to be a huge problem to the console. My stomach still tells me that exclusives sell consoles. And in that regard Wii U could easily appeal to more people than Xbob One imo.

As an Adult my game time is limited due to work/gf so I pick my games wisely. Last gen was fun for me Wii + PS3.

this gen Wii U + NOTHING. So I made my choice and I'm sticking to it. I just hope I have enough time to beat all the N first parties by the time the next wii comes out or at least gets its first price drop. lol

I agree with Pachter.

Nintendo: "It's just noise to us."
Reasons for a Wii U: Monster Hunter, Pikmin 3, Super Mario 3D World...seems like good reasons to own a Wii U to me.

this guy is on the MS pay roll so I don't know why anybody listens.

just check the pre order sales of both the Xbox 1 and PS4, VGChartz has them both around 75k units pre ordered in the US. just check the games pre orders, most are around 30k. amazon said it sold 2500 a minute but what it didn't say was for how long.

the Wii U already has about 4 million units out there and has sold better at this point than the 360 or PS3, when they were 1st launched.

Wii U is going to be huge this holiday and the guy on the MS pay roll aka pachter will say "Nintendo is doomed"

Not everyone wants to buy wii u just to play third party support games lol. I bought Wii U because I love Nintendo first party games like, Zelda, Mario, Wii Party, and Etc. Third Party games I play it on either Xbox or Ps3 so I'm sure not everyone buy only one console.

Since when were Fifa, COD, Battlefield, and GTA reasons to own a console? Geez, Patcher went FULL SPECIAL... AGAIN... If Patcher had a Nintendo Life account, he'd probably be the polar opposite of himself now...

Oh, man, it's not that there's anything wrong with Wii U but its advertisement. It's not a direct competition to PS4 or Xbox One in my opinion and it shouldn't be compared to those systems. I love my Wii U as much as I love my X360 and PS3. They all share the same shelf near my TV and on each of these consoles I have a different awesome eperience. Yeah, I will buy PS4, maybe even on day one because I wanna play games like AC4 or Watch_Dogs in a super high graphics but it doesn't get me any less excited about some Wii U games like the absolute gorgeous Wind Waker HD or Bayonetta 2, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, and of course the game I actually bought the system for: Rayman Legends - why anyone would NOT buy a Wii U for that Mr. Pachter??

I could say stuff about Pachter but instead I'll talk about the article.
Personally: Same story, same prediction, couple of months later, prediction is false, story gets faded away, we all laugh. The end.

Just wait until PS4 and Xbox One come out, then judge the Wii U.
Let's not forget, that the only reason why people are giving Nintendo s***, is because everyone expects PS4 and Xbox One to destroy it.
Nintendo isn't going to allow themselves fail. That's just how they operate. They know what they're doing with the Wii U.

I guess it's protocol for "debbie downers" to troll until they're proven wrong...

Also, this guy is coughing out salt. He's been proven wrong when it comes to Nintendo basically for the past decade, literally.

omg im gonna cry there is no FIFA and Battlefield and Call of Duty . hahaha NOT . if u really wanna play that games and enjoy it at maximum, u have to play it on a PC . FPS shooter on ps3 xbox controller IS HORRIBLE . PC 4 WIN with a WII U beside to play nintendo games . thats the way to go , i think some people are just dumb and cant understand that

At this point he's more real than Iwata ever was.

So, I buy Nintendo systems for Nintendo games. I know I'm not the first person to say that. If I can get a cool third party game on there too, that's awesome. Lately, I've been lucky enough to be able to afford multiple consoles, but it hasn't always been so. When I couldn't afford multiple consoles, however, the one I did own certainly wasn't one of the most recent ones!
If I were a third party publisher, I'm not sure I'd support Wii U at the moment. But then, I wouldn't support Xbone or PS4 either...because there are a whole lot more Wii's, 360's, and PS3's out there for people to buy my games on atm. But that's just me.

@Klimbatize
I love you, in a way.

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Actually, the way Nintendo are going, they will have a strong line up of fresh games and fresh developers thanks to their new relationship with indie developers. EA, Activision et. all are getting repetitive and their games rarely change much between installments. I'm really looking forward to A Hat In Time which I backed on Kickstarter and am waiting for my Wii U download key.

Also, if people buy either a PS4 or Xbox One to go with Wii U, that means everyone will have Wii U and one of the "next gens". Doesn't that make Wii U the most popular if everyone has one?

"They're not going to sell a lot of consoles if they don't have games like FIFA and Battlefield and Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto."

Uhhhh... the Wii didn't have any of those (except Fifa, I think?) and yet it was the best selling console last gen...

Apparently those games are not as important as he thinks they are.

Nintendo is a way better deal.

PS4 is $399, but if you want to buy a game that's another $70 and you have to buy at least one game to play on it or you just have a box.

PS4 is really $469

the same logic applies to the Xbox 1. $499+70 game

Xbox one is $569

while the Wii U is $349 with a game, you can even buy the Zombii U bundle $389 and still save $100 dollars.

you can probably add another $50 for PSN or XBL service
so really the Xbox 1 is around $610 and the PS4 around $510

while the Wii U is $349.

@brucelebnd PS4 and XBone games cost $60, not $70. I'm not sure where you got the idea they cost $70.

Meh, I do need to get a second system for third party anyways, but I still entirely missed out this generation, so I need to get a PS3, unless PS4 is magically blessed with backwards compatibility. I'd like to play all of the Tales of Xillia, Half Life, Katamari, and Skyrim that I missed out on.

@KnightRider666 I couldn't agree more. I can't say I really care if people who are fans of Call of Duty or GTA are playing with Wii U. If catering to people who want to play violent games like that is essential to a console's success then quite frankly I guess I won't be console gaming in the future.

Needless to say I think Wii U and Nintendo will survive without additional entries n those franchises. The Wii certainly managed to sell without a single GTA title. Sports games are important, but I'm sure if EA doesn't step up, someone else will.

@KeeperBvK. Pachter,taken seriously?HAAAHAAHAHGGJHAHAHAHAHAAAA*cantbreath*HAAAAAAHAHAHA! Ok ok im done.So we should listen to Pachter?Because he knows what hes talking about?Pachter?The guy who said the ps1 would fail?That there would be another videogame crash in the early naughties?Bringing it closer to home,that the wii would be a disasterous move by nintendo?Pachter?Taken serious?...ha...haha...ok im guna start again so im out!

I don't know that many people who buy Nintendo consoles to play mainstream games like COD or FIFA.

The Wii didn't need those titles to survive. All the Wii U needs is a good solid Nintendo library with some key exclusive third party titles and I think it'll be set. The 3DS came down with a lot of doom and gloom but it picked it back up in the last year or so.

Pachter is an investment analyst, so he advises investors on where they are most likely to get returns from their investments. I am (proudly) a Wii U owner and watch Pach-Attack on GT. Pachter has admitted that he does not hate Nintendo, but that Iwata is a terrible CEO. Iwata is a great game developer and I feel it is hard to judge him at this point in the Wii U's life. Pachter didn't like the idea of the Wii but then it sold millions. He hasn't always been right about Nintendo. After E3 we are all very excited, but then realized that the great games we want are at least six months to a year, or further out from being released. Third party devs want to sell millions and aren't enthusiastic about developing a game that will only sell thousands in the Wii U's current state. The Wii U is not doomed, and I don't believe Pachter believes it is either. As an investor it just currently isn't the best return right now, unless you are in it for the long haul. And at that it is difficult to say if it will ever sell as well as the original Wii.

Patcher is a marketing front for Sony. So they can create headlines like 'Analyst says Sony will sell BILLIONS' or 'Analyst says Nintendo is DOOMED' and the chuckle loving 'gaming journalist' eat it up like the dunces they are.

_{watch the profanity. -k8smum}

He has a point. Why buy a Wii U when you could dish out $50 more for largly the same experience because you can use cross play and tablets instead of a gamepad. Plus, most third parties are rushing over to the other systems. I usually support Nintendo but I'm starting to see the fact that Nintendo has to stop targeting the casual audience. Yes we have a lot more M games for the new system but thats not all people want now. They want social media and the new features of the newer systems coming out. I wish Nintendo would stop living in the past and try to catch up. I like my Wii U but I feel it could be so much more. I know Iwata says he doesn't care what the other companies do but I think he should. That is part of running an efficient company. I mean while Nintendo does it's own thing inovating the industry, Sony is copying the Wii with the Move. ( I did hear that Sony created the idea first but whatever). Then we have Xbox copying the EyeToy with the Kinect. If Nintendo tried implementing some of the newer systems's features, it would be a step in the right direction. And for gods sakes, Nintendo, make more of an effort to show developers why they should create games for Wii U. I know they've done a better job with that recently but there is still a lot of territory to cover. Also, nobody hate on me. I was just voicing my opinion.

Nintendo isnt thinking right probably they ran out of philosophys now they have to relay on them self if they dont have enough 3rd party support and probably the only thing that could save the Wii U is it's 1st party games.

@Neferupitou

How the f*** X box Done surpassed Wii u? dam custard!?

@Wanderlei I may agree that Pachter has no clue what he's talking about, but he's not in Sony's backpocket. Only a few months ago, he declared the Vita dead and back in 2011, he sad that Sony was destined to finish the gen in last place.

I don't think the guy is in anyone's backpocket. As to why he keeps bashing Nintendo, I have no clue. I guess he finds Nintendo an easier target.

As if there was ever any credibility to him. Watch me care, Mr. Pachter. Nintendo knows what it's doing.

Pachter is right. The only reason people buy the Wii U is to play Nintendo games. 3rd Party support from major publishers is all but dead and most people who bought a Wii are now playing games on smartphones and tablets. Unless your a Nintendo fan, the Wii U is not worth the price.

One answer, creativity. Anyone searching for creativity on other platforms is going to be upset. I own all consoles, they all have fun games but Nintendo takes the cake in terms of unique experiences and creativity.

@ Caryslan his angle is sensationalist analyst so, he uses the controversy for more attention. I doubt anyone takes him seriously but he makes a good story, this article already at +200 comments so it works.

@Sean_Aaron: Sports games aren't even important to me, unless of coarse they are mario sports games;)

I have to agree with Patcher this one time. The only reason why I will eventually get a Wii U, is to play Nintendo games. I'll get my fill of 3rd party games on the ps4. Now I just have to decide which one I'm going to support first...

Nah patcher again. I dont understand Austin Power loses moho but he get it back and Nintendo get it back too when Mario releases.

@Yanchamaru That's a good point. Nintendo's kinda gone after a slightly different market for a while now, but they're no longer the biggest fish in that pond.

"They're not going to sell a lot of consoles if they don't have games like FIFA and Battlefield and Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto." That's funny, because nobody bought the half-cocked versions of any of them on Wii, and yet that console still sold well. Hmm... Maybe Pachter has no idea what he's talking about, as he never has!

Nintendo make Nintendo games- that's what they've got. Their 3rd party support is less "super" then their competitors, but it's truly a testament to them if their games are so good that people will buy consoles over them.

Yeah, you're only going to buy a Wii U for Nintendo games, but you don't buy a shaver to sharpen pencils.

I don't understand why gamers can't simply agree to disagree. Go ahead and play your Sony games, and I'll play my Nintendo games. The Wii U is the best home console, BUT that's just to ME, and I know that there are going to be people whose best console is something else.

P.S. Header image selector is genius, thank you for bringing a smile to my face!

@bizcuthammer "We can get mad all we want, but the fact is: Pachter is right. There is literally ZERO reason to get a WiiU over a PS4 outside the fact that WiiU has ninty games."

You could have stopped there. Reason enough for me, and surely for many others.

I hate to admit it but I think Pachter is right. If I didn't already own my Wii U, I would be asking myself the same questions this holiday. For me Nintendo would fall second on my list, behind a PS4, but his points are valid.

I will pick up a PS4 in a year or two but the Wii U is going to be my main console for the next gen. Being the only console with free online has cemented that, as I have no desire to waste $50-$60 a year like I did with Xbox Live.

I don't really care what Pachter says as it's usually just to be sensational in order to get his name out there. Most of the time the total opposite of what he says happens anyway.

Poor, poor Damian...forever doomed to bring us news about this guy...

Has Nintendo lost its Mojo in general? No. Look at the 3ds.

Has the Wii U lost its mojo? Yes, if you asked me. This is coming from a guy who would endlessly play with his N64, Cube, SNES, etc. I've finished games I've liked like on the Wii u such as Darksiders 2 and ZombiU for now and am having more fun with VC than I am with actual Wii U games. They released this thing way too early it seems (for now).

This is one of the few times I'm going to have to agree with @Peach64 ,something is off with their home console gaming.

The handhelds are doing spectacular but it's the home console (Wii u in this case) that is losing my interest right now.

I'm one of those people who are awaiting the arrival of a monster of a handheld that can pass as a total successor and can be hooked up to the big screen if you so desire playing there.

Pachter sure loves that rystal ball of his

What's new...Patcher hates Nintendo....funny thing, Patcher thinks more of himself and his opinions than anyone else in gaming..really you think the average gamer kniws who this clown is or heeds his advice? Also all the games he mentioned are FPS and violent types other than FIFA....he is a poser. The ultra violent stuff he mentioned has a specific audience that is largely US and dominated by Xbox. Fifa is huge in Europe......Soccer is like the least poplular sport in the US. Funny because he mentions BF....but all serious BF player play on the PC and mock the console players. Despite the 3rd party doom and gloom WiiU is getting BatmanAO, COD Ghosts (announced in upcoming Nintendo UK mag), Disney Infinity, skylanders, AC4, Watchdogs, Rayman, Splinter Cell, SonicLW, W101. Whats mostly lacking is sports. He acts like the entire gaming world is invested is shooter bro titles and sports. He fails to recognize that tablet/mobile gaming has huge market share, that Indy gaming has a huge audience, that many of us love JRPS, SRPGs, Platformers. He fails to recognize phenomina like Animal Crossing and Pokekn that Nintendo created that brought millions of new gamers into the fold. He is a joke. I play on all systems and really Nintendo fans have had to be multiplatform since the N64. Nothing new. I agree if WiiU has a poor xmas and some of these large 3rd party titltes fail and 3rd party drops further next year then some doom and gloom might be merited. Do your part and buy some 3rd party this year and lests hope Nintendo does theirs with a marketing campaign and appealing bundles with aggresive price points. If they really want to sell to the 'family' crowd this year they would work out a Infinity or Skylanders bundle for $300 and they would move serious units. Both these games are cash cows based on figure sales so a pre-loaded pack in would make total sense.

The NintendoLife Villager attaches Pachter to fishing rod's lure and casts to the sea. A fish, whose size is assumed to be huge because of its shadow, nibbles then bites. The NintendoLife Villager tugs and successfully catches the Irate Reader fish. The Villager holds it up proudly

"I blatantly provoked! Bet they're all choked!"

NintendoLife Villager happily bobs his head as he walks along the sea, looking for more opportunities to provoke Irate Readers.

NintendoLife selling out by posting the same crap articles that made me stop going to other gaming news sites.

mfw I have officially lost faith in the entire gaming community and gaming media as a whole.

**** you pachter you **** you

Let's be honest. Nintendo was the top dog with the NES and SNES. Sega and others couldn't compete. Nintendo had A+ first and third titles pouring out left, right and centre.

Then the N64 hit and Nintendo did everything they could to drive away 3rd party developers. Using non-standardized media formats, N64 cart, mini DVD and a Wii U disk. Wacky controllers which won't work with most games not made by Nintendo. Poor online support and sub-par system specs. Compare Nintendo to every generation Sony has been in; Sony trumped Nintendo every round for good reason. Sony used standard media formats; CD-Rs, DVDs and Bluray. A traditional control. PSN. And competitive system specs.

Nintendo is doomed and I'm glad. I've supported from the NES days and since the N64 they found more and more ways to screw up. They should do what Sega did and pull out of the hardware business and become a 3rd party dev.

This man is infamous for being wrong. So I actually enjoy when he says Nintendo is doomed. I want a job where I'm paid to be wrong all the time.

Only reason to own Nintendo is to play 2-3 1st party games a year and probably 1 3rd party game per year, for overall gaming you need a 2nd console or a gaming PC.

Mine is already pretty much a dust collector that is used to watch Amazon video more than gaming and I bought about 8 games already to test the system out and sold 5 of them back already they were so boring or lackluster.

1. He's correct.
2. Nintendo games ARE a good enough reason to buy one. I don't know anybody who cares about Call of Duty anymore.

"They're not going to sell a lot of consoles if they don't have games like FIFA and Battlefield and Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto." There you go Pachter, with your obsession with Bro-mance machines and Bro-mance games, where each sequel rarely has any real change or upgrade. lol. Thanks for convincing myself even more that I should support Nintendo, always, despite the mistakes they've made over the last few years.

Dead on it IMO. Wii U is done. Even Nintendo says so by it's complete lackluster showing at E3. While these all seem great, Mario Maker, Star Fox, and Yoshi Wooly World, I don't see any reason to believe that the Wii U will turn around. It will die a pretty painful death and Nintendo should learn from it. The Wii sold, but was dead last in software sales. My Wii was dust in a few months and I played 360 almost exclusively last generation. I've shifted to Wii U/PS4 this generation, but my PS4 is just more what a modern console should be. DVD and Blu Ray, a freakin app to manage my downloads and view the status of my console. The Wii U's eShop doesn't even have a freakin shopping cart. I have literally buy each game as completely separate transaction. Aside from I think Smash DLC, which is in its own, weird, game version of the eShop. Nintendo is fragmented and lost in the world of the Internet. They are a 1990's company who didn't see past their own noses when the Wii outsold everything. They were blinded by the glory and thought resting on their laurels would work on the Wii U. They should have seen the software sales as a strong indicator that although Wii's are in almost any home in America, that the console was completely irrelevant thanks largely to the forced motion controls and (basically) graphics on par with the Gamecube. Although the Gamecube was not a good seller, I still think Nintendo was relevant back then. The Wii and Wii U, with their stupid gimmicks have put Nintendo between their own rock and a hard place.

The NX better deliver, but we all know it won't.